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#1 Posted by algertman (852 posts) -

Over the last year it has really come into light just how bad things are in the gaming press when it comes to integrity and honesty. On top of that just how childish everyone acts when they get called out on it. Look at the Halo 4 mess. MS did their best to court the gaming press over it and the press just ate it up. But when they got called out on it and brought up journalistic integrity? Oh no, they were never journalist, never used the word, and never presented themselves as such, and how dare you bring that up. Mass Effect 3 was bizarre because I have never seen the gaming press turn on the public like and attack. GTAIV reviews read like some competition of which site could have the most outlandish praise. This year will be glorious. So how bad do you think it will get? I expect huge twitter meltdowns over members of the press defending their actions.

New Consoles - MS has thrown around insane amounts of money in the past. Remember the Kinect party with the ponchos? I expect Sony to go all out but they just don't spend the money like MS does. One year MS just gave everyone at their E3 show a free 360. Nope, nothing questionable there at all.

GTAV - As I said up top, GTAIV reviews are so crazy it's like they were wrote up by Rockstar and reviewers just signed their name to them. I expect GTAV to be no different.

#2 Posted by Little_Socrates (5677 posts) -

The fanbase was generally REALLY GROSS about Mass Effect 3. Not so much the "change the ending" people, as they were frustrating from an artistic integrity sensibility, but those who spat bilious venom towards the staff of BioWare. I'll remind you that a ridiculous number of people were screaming hate speech at the game's primary writer about a month before the game released. Enough felt like it was enough.

Also, I'm confused. Are you saying that MS tried to pay off Halo 4 reviews? 'cause it seems to me that those who enjoyed it did so legitimately, as I have a couple of friends who really dug it.

Your lack of faith in the gaming press disturbs me. Do you just only trust Giant Bomb and that's why you're here?

#3 Posted by TheSouthernDandy (3873 posts) -

What Halo 4 mess are you talking about?

#4 Posted by audioBusting (1551 posts) -

It's gonna be hard to top Ben Kuchera's recent twitter antics. But yeah it's a bit unfair to generalize the gaming press like this, people who are doing good jobs aren't being recognized as much as they should be.

#5 Posted by JoeyRavn (4974 posts) -

@TheSouthernDandy said:

What Halo 4 mess are you talking about?

I guess he's referring to the "Doritosgate"? But that wasn't so much about Halo, really. It was more about the nature of advertising in video gaming than anything else.

Or he's implying that Halo 4 was a bad game and Microsoft bought its positive reviews. I honestly dunno.

#6 Posted by StarvingGamer (8255 posts) -

No worse than any other year I suppose. There always have been and always will be spectacular acts of idiocy by the press.

If anything, I'd ask how badly will the gaming community embarrass themselves this year. Because last year was a fucking joke. I've never seen so much blind bandwagoning on arguments completely devoid of any semblance of common sense.

#7 Posted by Gaff (1758 posts) -

We've just finished January and we're already into full tinfoil hat mode already?

Tangentially related: Every argument on the internet really does just boil down to "How can you like / hate this thing I hate / like, OH YOU MUST BE <insert pejorative here>", I guess?

#8 Posted by Spoonman671 (4641 posts) -

Warped perception much?

#9 Edited by Shortbreadtom (783 posts) -

Not really sure what your talking about with that stuff. You just seem cynical. All press in any media has issues, and I don't really think games are much worse. The community usually embarrass themselves more than the press does.

#10 Posted by MariachiMacabre (7096 posts) -

Not as much as the general fanbase probably will.

#11 Posted by Droop (1881 posts) -

Jeff will be fired from Giant Bomb, Brad will leave, Vinny and Drew make their own spin off site doing only Simulation Game quick looks, Ryan will buy an island in the pacific and start a communist empire, and Patrick will get a contract playing for the Chicago Bulls.

#12 Edited by EarlessShrimp (1640 posts) -

What an interesting perspective you have. Silly me, I thought I was grossly cynical and negative about the world.

EDIT: also, I have a bit of advice: don't be ellis.

#13 Posted by Ghostiet (5281 posts) -
@Droop said:

Jeff will be fired from Giant Bomb, Brad will leave, Vinny and Drew make their own spin off site doing only Simulation Game quick looks, Ryan will buy an island in the pacific and start a communist empire, and Patrick will get a contract playing for the Chicago Bulls.

Nice of you to sneak in the only true bit of info - the one about Brad leaving.
#14 Posted by Dogma (961 posts) -

What are you even talking about? What Halo 4 mess? I follow this kind of things quite much and I have never heard of any biG Halo 4 thing this year.

As someone above me already said. Your lack of faith in the gaming press just seems kinda of uncalled for. People are so ready to bitch about the press for the most stupid things. If you actively search for misstakes you will find them. I would also say that the gaming community embarrsed themself more than the press last year. I mean...the gamers thinks the press embarrses themself if they give a game a wrong score, or talk about opinions the don't like. It's really subjective. Have game writing done some wrong things? Of course. But the way you write this just oozes shaden freude, and that's just ugly.

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#15 Posted by MildMolasses (3221 posts) -

I never really understood the todo about "Doritosgate"(which is a fucking stupid name). What Keighly does on GTTV is like Entertainment Tonight, and I don't recall anyone ever calling out Mary Hart's journalistic credibility.

#16 Edited by thebipsnbeeps (550 posts) -

I want video games and their discussions about them to be as devoid of cynicism as I can this year. And I also hope it's law that no one ever makes "twitter meltdowns" possible.

Gotta say, while I am a little uneasy about how GTA IV got such huge praise, it was still a fun game. I'm pretty pumped for the "fifth" one.

#17 Posted by Ghost_Cat (1442 posts) -

Every press or gaming press makes mistakes or gets a little carried away sometimes, but it's the fanbase, commenters, and forum users who are out-of-control embarrassing.

#18 Posted by TooWalrus (13208 posts) -

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#19 Posted by WinterSnowblind (7617 posts) -

@StarvingGamer said:

If anything, I'd ask how badly will the gaming community embarrass themselves this year. Because last year was a fucking joke. I've never seen so much blind bandwagoning on arguments completely devoid of any semblance of common sense.

I hope you're not referring to the outrage over ME3's ending, because I think that's exactly what the topic creator was getting at.

People had legitimate and typically well explained reasons for disliking what happened and the press basically brushed it aside as "entitlement". Some people took their complaints too far, but that's always the case and the journalists proved to be just as immature as the ones whining.

#20 Posted by Pr1mus (3918 posts) -

The gaming press can be pretty bad at times but other than the ME3 thing your other examples are even worst. You just sound like a crazy person going nuts over review scores.

#21 Posted by laserbolts (5322 posts) -

I think GTA 4 is one of the best games of this generation and I'm a nobody and clearly not paid off or anything. I'm assuming that's what you're talking about when referring to GTA 4. You know it's possible that the reviewers genuinely liked the game. No idea what you are talking about with Halo 4. As for ME3 it sort of sucks that a few dummies made the entire gaming community look like whiny immature idiots but as long as the Internet is a thing this will happen. It's ironic that someone can take issue with the press making large sweeping judgements about the entire gaming community and then do the exact same thing against the press because Kuchera or whoever else happens to be a part of it.

#22 Posted by StarvingGamer (8255 posts) -

@WinterSnowblind said:

@StarvingGamer said:

If anything, I'd ask how badly will the gaming community embarrass themselves this year. Because last year was a fucking joke. I've never seen so much blind bandwagoning on arguments completely devoid of any semblance of common sense.

I hope you're not referring to the outrage over ME3's ending, because I think that's exactly what the topic creator was getting at.

People had legitimate and typically well explained reasons for disliking what happened and the press basically brushed it aside as "entitlement". Some people took their complaints too far, but that's always the case and the journalists proved to be just as immature as the ones whining.

I'd agree that some people had legitimate and well explained reasons for disliking the ending to ME3, but they were hardly typical.

But ME3 was only the tip of the 2012 iceberg of internet mob mentality.

#23 Posted by doosmacleod (189 posts) -

@Droop said:

Jeff will be fired from Giant Bomb, Brad will leave, Vinny and Drew make their own spin off site doing only Simulation Game quick looks, Ryan will buy an island in the pacific and start a communist empire, and Patrick will get a contract playing for the Chicago Bulls.

Ryan better hire Jeff as his secretary of "CATAPULT INTO THE SUN" defense.

Seriously.

#24 Posted by BaconGames (3424 posts) -

♫/5

That's how badly.

#25 Posted by Sargus (726 posts) -

@algertman said:

Over the last year it has really come into light just how bad things are in the gaming press when it comes to integrity and honesty. On top of that just how childish everyone acts when they get called out on it. Look at the Halo 4 mess. MS did their best to court the gaming press over it and the press just ate it up. But when they got called out on it and brought up journalistic integrity? Oh no, they were never journalist, never used the word, and never presented themselves as such, and how dare you bring that up. Mass Effect 3 was bizarre because I have never seen the gaming press turn on the public like and attack. GTAIV reviews read like some competition of which site could have the most outlandish praise. This year will be glorious. So how bad do you think it will get? I expect huge twitter meltdowns over members of the press defending their actions.

New Consoles - MS has thrown around insane amounts of money in the past. Remember the Kinect party with the ponchos? I expect Sony to go all out but they just don't spend the money like MS does. One year MS just gave everyone at their E3 show a free 360. Nope, nothing questionable there at all.

GTAV - As I said up top, GTAIV reviews are so crazy it's like they were wrote up by Rockstar and reviewers just signed their name to them. I expect GTAV to be no different.

What Halo 4 mess? No, seriously, what Halo 4 mess? Because I'm a member of the press who reviewed Halo 4 (Microsoft sent me a copy), and I don't remember being courted at all. Did I miss out on all the fabled hookers and blow that people keep mentioning that I'm never invited to be a part of?

I wasn't part of the press when GTA IV came out, but either way that was my favorite game that year and my favorite GTA by far, soooo... Yeah, that one doesn't make sense to me either.

#26 Posted by OfficeGamer (1087 posts) -

What...is the reason for your fascination/infatuation with websites that review video games? Why do you care so much dude? Just play the games for entertainment..

#27 Posted by Trilogy (2655 posts) -

How embarrassing will the gaming press be? Probably only half as embarrassing as the online gaming communities usually are.

#28 Posted by Legion_ (1287 posts) -

They'll probably not emberass themselves more than the average gamer, like you.

#29 Posted by GreggD (4505 posts) -

HANS, BUBBY

#30 Edited by Sooty (8082 posts) -

The only gross thing about GTA IV was how reviews blissfully ignored the horrendous framerate. It ruined the game for me, especially on PS3. (I foolishly bought both versions thinking it'd be amazing, but it was no Vice City)

Red Dead Redemption ran much better, so I have no worries about GTA V. Although having said that, RDR did have less going on overall. We'll see.

Rockstar had an employee/contractor say he's doing animation for PS3, 360 and PC versions of GTA V. So I'll probably be getting it on PC anyway.

#31 Edited by pyrodactyl (2061 posts) -

@StarvingGamer said:

@WinterSnowblind said:

@StarvingGamer said:

If anything, I'd ask how badly will the gaming community embarrass themselves this year. Because last year was a fucking joke. I've never seen so much blind bandwagoning on arguments completely devoid of any semblance of common sense.

I hope you're not referring to the outrage over ME3's ending, because I think that's exactly what the topic creator was getting at.

People had legitimate and typically well explained reasons for disliking what happened and the press basically brushed it aside as "entitlement". Some people took their complaints too far, but that's always the case and the journalists proved to be just as immature as the ones whining.

I'd agree that some people had legitimate and well explained reasons for disliking the ending to ME3, but they were hardly typical.

But ME3 was only the tip of the 2012 iceberg of internet mob mentality.

I would expect game jounalists to have enough experience with the internet (some have been there for more than 10 years) to filter out the imbeciles and the 13 year olds when responding to the community. People writing complaints to the FCC or starting a public witch hunt don't deserve any attention from the press. Unfortunatly, they always get all the attention while the intelligent and reasoned people just get ignored.

The gaming press just ignores one of the most basic laws of the internet: each time someone has a legitimate issue or complaint and expresses it on the internet, 3 other people will scream like childrens over the same issue.

Please just ignore the screaming childrens...

#32 Posted by twigger89 (278 posts) -

@Ghost_Cat said:

Every press or gaming press makes mistakes or gets a little carried away sometimes, but it's the fanbase, commenters, and forum users who are out-of-control embarrassing.

I think this sums it up perfectly

#33 Edited by Grixxel (766 posts) -

@Droop said:

Vinny, Dave and Drew make their own spin off site doing only Simulation Game quick looks

Fixed.

Also to reply on the topic, no more than usual.

#34 Posted by Jimbo (9815 posts) -

I'd be surprised if they can top ME3.

#35 Posted by jebara (64 posts) -

@laserbolts: The thing about GTAIV is that no one dared to question any of the negative aspects about it and even praised those at times, for example, the friend aspect of was more of a chore but a lot of reviewers acted like it was tons of fun.

Although the game does have its fans, there is a large portion of gamers that thought it was extremely boring, yet not one of the gaming press expressed a similar opinion, doesn't that strike you as fishy?

From what I've read, its less that Rockstar paid them but used their influence in the gaming world to pressure the shit out of them, I think that was from that one Eurogamer dude that got fired for his article.

#36 Edited by MildMolasses (3221 posts) -

@WinterSnowblind said:


I hope you're not referring to the outrage over ME3's ending, because I think that's exactly what the topic creator was getting at.

People had legitimate and typically well explained reasons for disliking what happened and the press basically brushed it aside as "entitlement". Some people took their complaints too far, but that's always the case and the journalists proved to be just as immature as the ones whining.

What exactly was the games press supposed to do about the ending? Its OK not to like it. Books, Movies, TV shows and games have bad endings all the time. Its not the games press' job to engage the audience or the developers on something so subjective. Its up to the each individual consumer to decide what to do with that. If they want to write a review, comment on a message board, or stop buying Bioware's products, those are all totally valid responses. Those are not the people who are "entitled" or crossing the line and not the ones that games press were talking about.

The people who were demanding a new ending, harassing employees and attempting to file lawsuits are crossing the line, and is a whole lot of entitlement. Those are non-subjective reactions and worth covering. They are not in the same camp as the people who didn't like ending for whatever reason and could discuss it rationally. If you felt that journalists were attacking you, then you clearly were not mentally separating yourself from that group which you should have been and should be angry at the "entitled" for derailing any reasoned conversation.

#37 Posted by Milkman (16811 posts) -

@Trilogy said:

How embarrassing will the gaming press be? Probably only half as embarrassing as the online gaming communities usually are.

@Legion_ said:

They'll probably not emberass themselves more than the average gamer, like you.

Yep. Those in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.

#38 Posted by Colourful_Hippie (4354 posts) -

@MariachiMacabre said:

Not as much as the general fanbase probably will.
#39 Edited by EXTomar (4745 posts) -

Why was the gaming press to blame for anything that was around Halo 4? What examples of bad behavior???

#40 Posted by Counterclockwork87 (674 posts) -

I think GTA IV is one of the best games of the generation...just cuz you didn't like it OP doesn't mean reviewers were paid off...if they were, question Giant Bomb...it was their Game of the Year...

#41 Posted by Gaff (1758 posts) -

@Sooty: @jebara: I could've sworn the general consensus on GTA4 soured a bit - or was tempered - since its release five years ago.

If the emphasis wasn't clear: FIVE YEARS.

#42 Posted by gogosox82 (424 posts) -

@Gaff said:

Tangentially related: Every argument on the internet really does just boil down to "How can you like / hate this thing I hate / like, OH YOU MUST BE <insert pejorative here>", I guess?

Yep basically.

#43 Posted by Dtat (1623 posts) -

@Little_Socrates: I really appreciate hat you make a distinction between people upset over the game and the people spewing hatred. Most people lazily lump them together. Good on ya!

#44 Posted by phrosnite (3518 posts) -

Well, I bet they'll overrate Bioshock Infinite and GTA V to hell and back and the GotY debates will be even more boring than last year.

#45 Posted by RollingZeppelin (1978 posts) -

I feel like the OP is secretly jealous of the gaming press, that's why he hates them so much.

#46 Posted by TheSouthernDandy (3873 posts) -

@JoeyRavn said:

@TheSouthernDandy said:

What Halo 4 mess are you talking about?

I guess he's referring to the "Doritosgate"? But that wasn't so much about Halo, really. It was more about the nature of advertising in video gaming than anything else.

Or he's implying that Halo 4 was a bad game and Microsoft bought its positive reviews. I honestly dunno.

Ahh. Yeah the Doritos thing doesn't at all seem like an inditement of the gaming press in any way. And Halo 4 reviews being bought is loony tunes. This thread seems pretty dumb.

#47 Posted by gogosox82 (424 posts) -

I have no idea what halo 4 controversy your talking about. I think there are issues in games journalism but I usually get more embarrassed by the gaming community, not by game journos.

#48 Posted by EXTomar (4745 posts) -

"Why can't everyone just say what makes ME happy?!"

#49 Posted by pyrodactyl (2061 posts) -

@MildMolasses said:

@WinterSnowblind said:


I hope you're not referring to the outrage over ME3's ending, because I think that's exactly what the topic creator was getting at.

People had legitimate and typically well explained reasons for disliking what happened and the press basically brushed it aside as "entitlement". Some people took their complaints too far, but that's always the case and the journalists proved to be just as immature as the ones whining.

What exactly was the games press supposed to do about the ending? Its OK not to like it. Books, Movies, TV shows and games have bad endings all the time. Its not the games press' job to engage the audience or the developers on something so subjective. Its up to the each individual consumer to decide what to do with that. If they want to write a review, comment on a message board, or stop buying Bioware's products, those are all totally valid responses. Those are not the people who are "entitled" or crossing the line and not the ones that games press were talking about.

The people who were demanding a new ending, harassing employees and attempting to file lawsuits are crossing the line, and is a whole lot of entitlement. Those are non-subjective reactions and worth covering. They are not in the same camp as the people who didn't like ending for whatever reason and could discuss it rationally. If you felt that journalists were attacking you, then you clearly were not mentally separating yourself from that group which you should have been and should be angry at the "entitled" for derailing any reasoned conversation.

I would expect game jounalists to have enough experience with the internet (some have been there for more than 10 years) to filter out the imbeciles and the 13 year olds when responding to the community. People writing complaints to the FCC or starting a public witch hunt don't deserve any attention from the press. Unfortunatly, they always get all the attention while the intelligent and reasoned people just get ignored.

The gaming press just ignores one of the most basic laws of the internet: each time someone has a legitimate issue or complaint and expresses it on the internet, 3 other people will scream like childrens over the same issue.

Please just ignore the screaming childrens...

As for the ME3 ending debate, without jumpstarting it again, let me just state the reasoned argument: the original ending was just bad. Plot holes everywhere, no thematic consistency with the series, it was shit. Now, the gaming press (GB in particular) agreed with that statement but only 6 months later and not while there was an active discussion on the topic. While the debate was still ungoing, they lumped all the people that were discussing the ending into the same ''anoying children'' bucket. That attitude was extremely dissapointing at the time.

#50 Edited by RE_Player1 (7560 posts) -

We'll be too busy with new hardware for the press to be lazy and start bitter rivalries or misguided content.