#1 Posted by Earth001 (47 posts) -

I'm still surprised that many people will say that gamers are losers who waste their lives away playing video games. Why do many people still believe this to be true? How can we get rid of this negative stereotype and make gaming into something that's positive like watching movies?

#2 Posted by falserelic (5394 posts) -

Won't happen.

#3 Edited by expensiveham (290 posts) -

Wait another 30-50 years.

#4 Posted by RockyRaccoon37 (430 posts) -

With the exception of people 40+ years old, I don't think this is something commonly said.

#5 Posted by YI_Orange (1141 posts) -

Be a cool person and don't define yourself by one activity when you meet people and not give a shit about those who dismiss you because of one thing you enjoy?

#6 Posted by TobbRobb (4588 posts) -

@rockyraccoon37: You would be surprised.

But yeah. This is something only time will change.

#7 Posted by rachelepithet (1391 posts) -

@earth001: No cause they actually waste their lives sending death threats to programmers who set how much damage a sniper bullet does in a game.

#8 Posted by billymagnum (770 posts) -

as long as at least one example of a stereotype exists the stereotype will remain.

#9 Posted by MindBullet (149 posts) -

I think the difference comes from how games are designed to take up a person's time. I don't think the people who view gamers as 'time wasters' will look at them any differently until gamers stop devoting days on end to playing those darned old vidya games.

#10 Posted by Poonz (133 posts) -

I don't really worry about it. It's my thing that I enjoy and if you don't agree with it or like that I do it Go F Yourself!

I also collect comic books so I have a lot to be spiteful about.

Really there will always be someone who looks down upon the thing that you enjoy. People are never all gonna think the same way it's just the way it is.

#11 Posted by Wolfgame (699 posts) -

For me it was about realizing I wasn't directly doing anything to dissuade this stereotype. It's one of the reasons I started to make fitness one of my activities. There isn't a real problem with being a gamer, but make it one of many different hobbies that make you unique. People are less likely to maintain stereotypes when you are grounded in multiple hobbies. Alternatively, we could just not worry about what other people think.

#12 Posted by RVonE (4621 posts) -

I don't really subscribe to the idea that this is some sort of majority opinion anymore. Hasn't it become just another way to put other people down?

To put it another way, I'm a lecturer at a European university. I play video games; I always have. I sometimes let that fact shine through in my lectures and students don't seem to make a fuss about that. Of course they talk behind my back but that talk can be about any aspect of myself that I show to them. People will always find something to latch on to when they've decided they dislike someone and they almost invariably latch on to that aspect of yourself that you express the most, I think. The trick -- or the tricky part, depending on how you look at it -- seems to be that you should give people as few reasons as possible to decide that they dislike you. It's really hard to call a really optimistic, light-hearted, kind, and social person a loser even if s/he plays video games; in the event that they do, I think it reflects poorly on the one making the accusation instead of on the accused.

#13 Edited by TheManWithNoPlan (5367 posts) -

I don't think the stigma will ever fully go away, but we can defy the negative stereotypes by being better people on an individual level. That goes for how you present yourself on the Internet and real life as well. As long as you respect yourself and responsibly go about your hobby then it doesn't matter what other people think in the long run.

#14 Posted by JasonR86 (9650 posts) -

I personally don't hear it. But maybe I'm the exception to the rule.

#15 Posted by ZolRoyce (651 posts) -

@wolfgame said:

Alternatively, we could just not worry about what other people think.

That is probably the best way to deal with it. Last I checked, games are really really popular, to the point where anyone who lumps 'gamers' into a singular stereotype are just being dick heads who are basically saying "The millions of diverse people who play games, are in fact just fat nerds." And if that is what someone thinks, are they really worth paying attention to?
I play games, and I do other stuff, and I'm fine with who I am.
Well, I tolerate who I am.

#16 Posted by Sterling (2142 posts) -

I am the stereotype. Sorry guys. Its all my fault.

#17 Posted by AlexW00d (6227 posts) -

It'll never go away as long as there's a large proportion of gamers who are 'losers'.

Stereotypes will stay as long as there are people perpetuating said stereotypes.

#18 Edited by GiantLizardKing (369 posts) -

Quit worrying about what shitty people think.

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#19 Edited by Zvarri (123 posts) -

More meaningful games.

#20 Edited by EXTomar (4629 posts) -

People waste their lives watching ballet or football or sculpting as well and it doesn't seem to bother those guys when critics harp on them.

Basically don't worry about what the other guy thinks. "Wasting time" on some activity is only bad if harming you regardless what other think.

#21 Posted by GERALTITUDE (3179 posts) -

@mindbullet said:

I think the difference comes from how games are designed to take up a person's time. I don't think the people who view gamers as 'time wasters' will look at them any differently until gamers stop devoting days on end to playing those darned old vidya games.

Totally. I mean, it's not like people spend hours and hours watching TV, right? So once we get gamers to consume games in a healthy way like television, all will be well.

:D

#22 Posted by MindBullet (149 posts) -

@geraltitude: I think the difference between a game and a TV show would be that each individual TV episode is only 30-60 minutes long, whereas a game can be a 15+ hour investment. Saying "Oh I sat at home and watched TV all day" is pretty much the same as "Oh I sat at home and played Dark Souls 2 all day", but saying "I caught the latest episode of Sherlock" has a different implication than "I just beat the latest inFamous". It's not that either is better than the other, it's just... Perception, really.

#23 Edited by thatdutchguy (1271 posts) -

Just do what you love to do and tell people who tell you otherwise to go fuck themselves.

Life is too short to worry about these things.

#24 Posted by Little_Socrates (5675 posts) -

Weirdly enough, I'm starting to think it's more true of movie people.

#25 Edited by GERALTITUDE (3179 posts) -

@geraltitude: I think the difference between a game and a TV show would be that each individual TV episode is only 30-60 minutes long, whereas a game can be a 15+ hour investment. Saying "Oh I sat at home and watched TV all day" is pretty much the same as "Oh I sat at home and played Dark Souls 2 all day", but saying "I caught the latest episode of Sherlock" has a different implication than "I just beat the latest inFamous". It's not that either is better than the other, it's just... Perception, really.

Yeah it's totally just perception. There's so much binge TV watching today. When people say they crammed a season of TV into a weekend that's 10+ hours right there. I mean shit my uh... friend... watched a season of Downton Abbey the other Saturday and that's 7+ on the spot.

The thing that's weird about this though is that I don't think non-gamers have a clue that games are usually pretty damn long, they just think we're playing rounds of CoD over and over again.

#26 Posted by mikey87144 (1719 posts) -

It's not so true of people in there 20s and 30s. A lot of people in that age group have friends and work with people who play games.

#27 Posted by SingingMenstrual (327 posts) -

You don't get rid of a stereotype, you prove it to be exaggerated and you diminish it in others' eyes.

Racial stereotypes are totally still a thing but they've been diminished significantly.

#28 Posted by spraynardtatum (2788 posts) -

Let people think what they want to think.

#29 Edited by Sooty (8082 posts) -

@geraltitude said:

@mindbullet said:

@geraltitude: I think the difference between a game and a TV show would be that each individual TV episode is only 30-60 minutes long, whereas a game can be a 15+ hour investment. Saying "Oh I sat at home and watched TV all day" is pretty much the same as "Oh I sat at home and played Dark Souls 2 all day", but saying "I caught the latest episode of Sherlock" has a different implication than "I just beat the latest inFamous". It's not that either is better than the other, it's just... Perception, really.

Yeah it's totally just perception. There's so much binge TV watching today. When people say they crammed a season of TV into a weekend that's 10+ hours right there. I mean shit my uh... friend... watched a season of Downton Abbey the other Saturday and that's 7+ on the spot.

The thing that's weird about this though is that I don't think non-gamers have a clue that games are usually pretty damn long, they just think we're playing rounds of CoD over and over again.

Well in the case of TV, it's more educational even if you're not watching an educational program. The writing and character development across a season of The Wire is astronomically above any video game and I have often picked up new vocabulary from TV shows as well as historical facts & references.

Games are capable of this as well but I can't think of any I'd attribute any sort of learning to. Social issues are also more accurately represented in a TV show, for the most part.

#30 Posted by SexyToad (2760 posts) -

Is that what people say about us? :(

I don't think this is commonly said at all. I think the only people who would react to gamers in that way would probably be the older generation. Just keep being yourself and whatnot, it'll eventually die out with the new generations.

#31 Edited by Hunkulese (2694 posts) -

@earth001: What's positive about watching movies? If you spend too much time playing video games or watching movies then you probably are a loser and wasting your life.

You also shouldn't care about what other people think. If you're that worried about it maybe you should just play less games instead of waiting for people to validate the time you spend playing games.

#32 Posted by freakin9 (1110 posts) -

Why are you still surprised, when there are still losers who waste their lives away playing video games.

A visit to the gamefaqs forum should be proof enough of that.

#33 Posted by alwaysbebombing (1554 posts) -

Love.

#34 Posted by President_Barackbar (3448 posts) -

Wait until older people die.

#35 Posted by 49th (2722 posts) -

we need to start wearing sunglasses. it will be cool.

#36 Edited by Waffles13 (608 posts) -

@sooty: While I agree that on a character and plot level, other media still eclipses games, I've learned a TON from games. Granted, a lot of that is a thing being mentioned in games and me following up elsewhere out of interest, but tons of things I now know about from various technologies to ancient mythologies to history and more come directly from gaming influences. Hell, Garry's Mod and Minecraft taught me basic programming, and my exposure to music has come almost entirely from various games over the years.

On topic, the real answer is to say "fuck it". At this point there are so many people who play games and understand "gamers" that you're not a social outcast for playing a shitload of games. Sure, there's still a huge contingent of people who look down on gamers and think of them as antisocial nerds, but even if those people make up the majority it's totally possible to have a fulfilling social life without having to interact with those assholes.

Time will eventually smooth over the whole issue, but until everyone who grew up without games dies, there will still be anti-gaming jerks. Just ignore them and enjoy your hobbies.

#37 Edited by Slag (4222 posts) -

pretty much when there's no segment of society that doesn't game.

#38 Edited by adam1808 (1425 posts) -

The problem is I am kind of a loser and I play games. I may run 5 times a week, volunteer to teach kids in India and study law but I'm still an unemployed sod who prefers to play games over the weekend than go out for a drink with friends. By all conventional standards I fulfill that stereotype, and I probably wouldn't have it any other way. Sorry for letting the side down. Maybe in 30 years things will be different.

#39 Posted by Gibberellin (2 posts) -

@mindbullet: Yeah, I think there's a perception that playing video games is an inherently - I don't know - obsessive activity. Even though lots of people will enjoy even lengthy games in short, bite-sized chunks, the image of a greasy man in sweatpants (or no pants) playing Skyrim for 10 hours is still a thing floating around in the public consciousness.

Eventually society will realize that Netflix has made everyone that guy, and that everything is a shambles. Then we'll be treated equally.

#40 Edited by Dan_CiTi (3233 posts) -

Don't let people pigeonhole you, don't feed into stereotypes, and be an informative advocate of your passions and traditions, also take a honest look at yourself and see why some people may look down on what you do. Something could be wrong with what you're doing, how you're doing it, or the places and people you find yourself with. One or more of those could be out of order. Don't hang out with morons.

Also some people just fit this stereotype and don't really have any other significant hobbies besides playing video games, no matter how often or "intensely" so yeah.

P.S. I'm with Patrick that the word "gamer" is just stupid in general and has gotten weird annoying baggage. In some circles it is like the hyper RPG (and sometimes anime) nerd who stays in his room all day and has no other hobbies/interests or social life and so on. And in others it is like that annoying kid how plays call of duty and madden every year and maybe other big releases like skyrim. I don't feel I fit into either of those but I still really love games and think they are wonderful so I'd rather just say I am a player of video games and leave it at that.

#41 Edited by afabs515 (1018 posts) -

Never gonna happen.

#42 Edited by TechnoSyndrome (829 posts) -

@yi_orange said:

Be a cool person and don't define yourself by one activity when you meet people and not give a shit about those who dismiss you because of one thing you enjoy?

This guy's got it. Just liking games won't make people think you're a loser, but if you define yourself as a "gamer" you're saying your defining characteristic as a person is that you like video games and that absolutely makes you one.

#43 Edited by Pontron (20 posts) -

In my high school, gaming, and in large amounts, was like.. cool. Everyone played, whether it was the the athletes or whoever would be construed as nerds. And it was pretty accepted. WoW was huge, pretty much our whole class was in the same guild. If there was a midnight release, you could count on the Seniors being there. In fact it's how a lot of us still stay in touch. Even the girls were known to play some Guitar Hero and Rock Band.

College is a little bit different, but its really a lot more accepted than you'd think. People don't expect I love video games as much as I do when they first meet me, its something that comes later usually. No one's ever really thought that much less of me when they've found out though, unless they're really that much of a douche. In which case, maybe we shouldn't worry about people care. I think people that like their car so much are stupid. I guess it just doesn't matter what anyone has to say, because I bet they watch the Kardashians or something.

#44 Posted by Lyisa (340 posts) -

Is this actually a problem?

#45 Posted by TheDew (113 posts) -

I played Dark Souls 2 for 10 to 12 hours one day on a weekend.. So...

#46 Edited by ShadowSkill11 (1783 posts) -

A lot of old people think the President is an evil, Kenyan, socialist, nazi. Much like gamer haters they will die out too.

#47 Posted by hoossy (933 posts) -

One of the best ways to prove your point, no matter what it is, is to practice what you preach.

Walk the walk.

One of the best ways I've proven myself to not a be a "geeky homebody loser" is to balance my time between games and other (dare I say more educational or physical) activities. I love playing games. I also love and value doing other things. People are still surprised when you can demonstrate you can do both, responsibly.

There are many folks on this thread that get incredibly defensive when anything interpreted as "negative towards games" gets lobbied in their direction. The fact of the matter is, there are still many gamers out there who would probably do better to diversify their lives a little more. Just like there are folks who watch too much tv or eat too much.

Moderation will say a whole lot more about gamers than any outcry.

#48 Edited by Tyrrael (174 posts) -

The only way it will end, or at least significantly lessen, is when those that are part of the generations that are 40+ years old die off. It's unfortunate but true. Most of these people never had games when they were younger, and are just fueled by pure ignorance and regularly start arguments prefaced by "back in my day" and other such nonsense. My parents are terrible about this. It's not that games just aren't something they're interested in. It's that they actually think that, because I play games and they don't, they are better than me, and that I'm, on some level, a bad person for playing them. (I shit you not) This all stems from pure ignorance. Every time I confront them about why they dislike them so much, they just give me an ambiguous non-answer like, "they are a waste of time", or "you should be doing *insert anything here*". My parents are in their 60s. I'm in my late 20s. People like this simply aren't going to take the time to educate themselves on the matter. They've fabricated an idea in their own minds on why they hate something, and even if it is based on no actual understanding of the thing they're hating, they aren't ever going to change and you're probably not going to be able to get through to them. Believe me, I've tried. The best you can do is just wait it out and do your best to ignore it, otherwise it's going to drive you insane.

#49 Posted by tariqari (430 posts) -

#50 Posted by Hippie_Genocide (567 posts) -

If you define yourself as a gamer, you're part of the problem