Ryan just said on the BLLSL that if they hit 5,000 paid members by 10AM PDT on 9/10 the Bombcast in its entirety will be free for all. Hopefully things will calm down now. 5,000 seems like an easy number to hit considering they're already up to 2,500 (as of 1PM PDT)
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This is just another reason not to subscribe. You can get it for free so why pay. If the bombcast was an exclusive I would pay, but thats the main reason I was going to subscribe as soon as I could let go of my precious $50. But now I have to reconsider tommorow and ee if it is indeed free for anyone.
" He didn't specify that it had to be a full, annual subscription either. If you guys chip in $5 this one time, the bombcast stays unchanged until the end of time. "Exactly. I mean, I spent more than $5 on a vitamin water & muffin this morning. Five bucks a month is a non-issue for me but I realize a lot of users aren't able to do it. Even so I think if we're at 4,000+ tomorrow morning, the Bombcast isn't going to change. I think they heard the outcry.
This is all weird for both sides of the issue for me. I don't like that they are messing with the Bombcast, and it seems odd that now they will reunite it once they get 5000 sign ups. Soo...did they not need money for the Bombcast in the first place? I mean, to cancel that original plan until the end of time means that the initial 5000 subscribers can't possibly cover that cost forever, correct? If so, then how much thought was put into the Bombcast idea in the first place, that they will flip flop immediately in response to community backlash? At the same time, it seems a good idea to respond to community input, and try to reach a compromise with the fans on the issue. It's just odd.
Only if this affected me. It really doesn't, but I hope the people that want it to be free get it. Also hilarious to hear from all the subscribers that now act like pretentious assholes. Not all of you, and actually not most of you, but these some have already made themselves apparent with their lovely remarks. I know I sound like a dick with that statement (and I'm probably judging without understanding), but hoping for people to not get the bombcast for free because they're "fucking whiners" is pretty immature or if you threaten to cancel your subscription cause you're upset if something goes free again. Those people know who they are and I know I actually sound like the dick here. It's a divided issue, and both sides are right and wrong.
I'm mixed on this but it doesn't really bother me. It is what it is in my mind and the dudes have to make money.
" This is just another reason not to subscribe. You can get it for free so why pay. If the bombcast was an exclusive I would pay, but thats the main reason I was going to subscribe as soon as I could let go of my precious $50. But now I have to reconsider tommorow and ee if it is indeed free for anyone. "If ure only paying for the bombcast ure missing the whole point douche! We are subscribing to support these guys and keep them going on...
I fully support Whiskey Media in everything they are doing other than this. They are a business so it's totally fine for them to charge people for certain privileges but splitting the bombcast is absolutely stupid. I doubt they will reach 5000 users by tomorrow so hopefully the community backlash will make them come to their senses and get it back to normal.
Regarding the Bombcast it's one of the most, if not the most, popular piece of content on their website, so naturally they are going to use it to monetize. I understand why they are doing this as it will help them uphold their mission statement and how they want to do things. Also announcing that the cast will be split, but then later on stating that if 5000 subs are gained by Friday, the cast will stay as is is a shady bait and switch at best.
I imagine any future cool features will be only available to subscribers also. If that were the case the $50/year could possibly be more justified.
With all that said, their entire tone of all this subscription stuff is kind of insulting to people's intelligence. The whole "We'd rather be in business with our user base" crap is crap. We are customers/users, not investors. Customers pay for a product or service, investors invest hoping to make a return on their investment. So please stop with this falsity that people who subscribe are "part of the team" and the "podcast takes 14 man hours to make poor us" guilt tripping. If your product is good enough it will speak for itself and people will buy into it.
I'm noticing what some non-subscribers are saying on the forums. Mainly "I don't have the money now, but I'll definitely have it next week or next month". You guys make it sound like you're being forced to pay. I say don't pay. If they want t opull this shenanigans then we don't need the Bombcast. There are plenty of other podcasts that are free and they don't bitch and complain about how much it costs to run one. They find other alternatives to run one without screwing the community over.
I all come here for is the bombcast, reviews and the forums. Paying the subscription just for the bombcast doesnt seem to be in my best interest does it. Thats what pisses me off, I don't care about anything else.
-Edit: what weirds me out, since I love the crew, is the fact that this is the first and only time I have seen a podcast being compromised for the sake of money. CNET, Gamespot, Kotaku, 1up, its all free. What happened Giant Bomb? Come on! You are making anyone who said your site and podcast was the best look like retards. Put that the bombcast is present by Trojan Condoms or something but don't do this.
They'll keep going on just fine. I understand everything that is going on. But as a college student on a budget I have to weigh the costs of everything I buy. I also want the HD videos, which I can understand why thats a subscriber feature because of bandwidth concern. But they are now selling us a product, they can talk about supporting them and everyone can feel like they are. But the fact is the subscription is a product. It needs to be worth what people are paying, otherwise it would be called a donation. I would gladly pay $50, but I want to know what I will be getting. More features down the road, is the timed bomcast really going to be a premium? I cant just give $50 without knowing what I am spending it on.
" @MrOldboy said:" This is just another reason not to subscribe. You can get it for free so why pay. If the bombcast was an exclusive I would pay, but thats the main reason I was going to subscribe as soon as I could let go of my precious $50. But now I have to reconsider tommorow and ee if it is indeed free for anyone. "If ure only paying for the bombcast ure missing the whole point douche! We are subscribing to support these guys and keep them going on... "
That it is. I primarily subscribed to support the site and the team, however, I'm starting to regret doing so. This whole affair has been handled very poorly I think, and I'm starting to get the feeling this is all about money now. Anyway... Guess I already gave them the money. Better be one hell of a t-shirt :P
" [..] announcing that the cast will be split, but then later on stating that if 5000 subs are gained by Friday, the cast will stay as is is a shady bait and switch at best."
" @Afroman269 said:Why's everybody getting so upset then if we're still going to get it? It's just one week. Still, if this makes the community THAT mad, maybe Whiskey should just make it free for everyone and release it all at the same time.
" Wait what, the podcasts are only for members now? "They are breaking it into two segments. One for everyone and one for the members. The second part will be available to non-paying members a week later. "
" @MrOldboy said:Exactly, the sub is to support the guys so they make more awesome content. The amount of moaners coming out of the woodwork is unbelievable. Go listent to the special bombcast has all the info you need, seems like some asshat who dont know anything said something and now everyone is flippin out "OMG bombcast for cash?" "What, Jeff ate a baby, not geting my money now the bastards". You dont want to pay thats fine, just dont bum other people out by being a little bitch." This is just another reason not to subscribe. You can get it for free so why pay. If the bombcast was an exclusive I would pay, but thats the main reason I was going to subscribe as soon as I could let go of my precious $50. But now I have to reconsider tommorow and ee if it is indeed free for anyone. "If ure only paying for the bombcast ure missing the whole point douche! We are subscribing to support these guys and keep them going on... "
It doesn't seem completely terrible to pay for some of the stuff that the Whisky Media team do/have done over the past couple of years.
That being said, the bombcast situation seems to have been a little weird in the way they went about it: seemed like a potentially divisive issue to begin with, but then the turnaround with the getting people to pay money so that one of the proposed benefits for paying is removed makes little sense and does seem a very "seat of your pants" kind of idea.
And, just for the record, have tried (repeatedly) to subscribe myself, but Chrome just keeps immediately shutting down when I try to.
Seriously? Ok, I think it is time for a rant.
This is essentially depriving non-subscribers like me of content. It's not what you guys set out to do when you made this site. Or at least, I hope it wasn't. It's a cheap move, and nobody benefits from it. Also, if you think I am whining, then whatever. It doesn't change the fact that this is wrong. Take it for what it is. It just makes the site worse, and loses the hits that the guys worked so hard to get.
If you guys are serious about this, then you made the wrong call, and need to fix the problem. If you're just fucking with us, then nobody is laughing.
" If you're just fucking with us, then nobody is laughing. "At this point, anyone seriously thinking they're joking about the Bombcast thing is deluding themselves. They've talked about it on the special Bombcast and on the BLLSH. They're not kidding about doing this and they justify their reasons somewhat well on that Bombcast.