red faction guerilla should count as a game where you are technically a terrorist. But in that setting people tend to forget about it, thinking that your character is simply a freedom fighter. The thing is, do you think an actual terrorist is being evil ? To him, his actions are justified and his enemy is the evil one.
As far as Nazis, I dont think a big company would have the balls to make you play in their camp in an actual campaign. Having their suits on in a multiplayer does happen but that is it. When Call of Duty goes out of its way to change things up, you end up playing an American and then a Russian. So some day, or maybe it has already been done and I haven't heard about it, some game company will make a game where you are an actual Nazi / German soldier in WW2, but then will have you go out to stop the Third Reich. That is a good thing (since Hitler is a pretty bad guy), but you will never be playing that kind of character in a story where your goal is either conquering "Europe / the World" and / or rounding up minorities (including Jewish people) to send them to concentration camps.
Some films may have gotten away with it (I think) but games are not in a state of artistic appreciation that would warrant that kind of design decision and make it acceptable to mass market that game.
When you think about it, a lot of German soldiers during WW2 were just fighting for their country either not knowing or not caring what would happen to their prisonners.
Not anything that has already happened would be alright. But yes, I think if a game would be able to do something like this it would be very interesting.
Where's the "some Call of Duty game probably did at least one, if not both of these" option? I wouldn't click it, but I'd still like it there. MW2 did it right, sort of, so yes. Sort of.
Yes, and I would thoroughly enjoy it, I have no problem playing as a nazi or terrorist, it just a game after all. In ArmA 2 it's fun to full a small village with civilians and sneak up on them at night with a group of rebels and slaughter them all, I don't feel like a bad person after doing that.
The poll is very scary. And even worse I voted NAZI. o_0 We need some more things letting you view the opposite side. To much through the US soldiers eyes or the Jewish people eyes. Maybe not make it positive in there perspective but they truly believe what they are doing is right and I wouldn't mind seeing that.
Nazis are a bit to sensitive, and the game would get destroyed by the press. MW2 showed that the press doesn't really care about terrorists (even though you weren't really a terrorist). I guess you kinda play a terrorist in gta because you are bringing terror to hundreds of people.
" Nazis are a bit to sensitive, and the game would get destroyed by the press. MW2 showed that the press doesn't really care about terrorists (even though you weren't really a terrorist). I guess you kinda play a terrorist in gta because you are bringing terror to hundreds of people. "
Maybe not specifically Nazis but a normal Wehrmacht soldier would be a good start. He can be a guy who is just serving the infantry to prevent his family or himself killed by the regime. If it's something like an SS officer in any camp, that will very likely never happen.
it's already been done, but not in any in-depth story i can think of. i remember playing as nazis in battlefield 1942 where you could either play as allied or axis...in games like GTA you're basically playing as a terrorist for the majority of the time..maybe not suicide bombers giving Islam a bad name, but it's all the same in a sense
No I would not, would be my knee-jerk response. I look at it by 1 premise, that in doing so I am being what I have to be, a Herman Goering type of guy, and I also want to terrorise and kill civilians. In other words, loyal in sentiment to those concepts, my desires.
Bend it in context of why you are that person, ie double agent, or Arnold Shwarzenegor say, I do not see that as honest. It`s not in the spirit of what the question asks.
I would love to play a game that makes me sickened to keep going through it, like a horrifying documentary or something. If done tastefully, that is. I think gaming should go there at some point. I'm kind of tired of these moral choices that are really just means to a gameplay (you get the evil powers instead of the good) or story (different endings) end. Force me to do horrible things or less horrible things with a high risk of losing at the game. I'd eat that shit up! (For the record I'm Jewish).
It's all a matter of perspective, which I think should be played with once in a while. Remember, not all Nazi's were hardcore Jew-bashers and Aryan elitists.
However, what I'm suggesting is a similar perspective, but from the opposite side most games take. If there was a game which put you in the place of such an Aryan elitist or a terrorist with the intention of making missions to kill people we consider on the 'good side', then I'd be interested to see both my reaction and the reaction of the internetz. Obviously, Nazi's don't have a lot of mainstream support, so I doubt any large developer would risk millions on a game that would be flamed immediately, and any indie/small-time flash developer wouldn't be taken seriously. It seems we're caught in a Catch-22 of sorts. Looking over my logical progression, it seems that we'll never see a game in which the main protagonist (notice, PROtagonist) is an "evil" character, historically. It's just not a feasible financial decision.
I couldnt do the nazi thing, i mean level 4 - gas 6 million dews and retards to death. Not my idea of fun or escapism.
My other concern is that even if it was tongue in cheap, and done to mock nazis, a lot of white supremist idiots would play it to be a nazi and kill innocents. It doesnt need to happen. Too many people where hurt because of nazis.
Same with terrorists i guess, but i kind of like the idea of a modern day shooter, where germany won WW2, and your a terrorist hating on the Nazi government ruling the world. That would work fine for me.
Yes. In order to gain more mainstream acceptance, games need to make the step from "just a game" to truly cinematic experiences, and if done right, playing as a Nazi or Terrorist (besides a single level, ala Modern Warfare 2) would close the gap that much more.
" red faction guerilla should count as a game where you are technically a terrorist. But in that setting people tend to forget about it, thinking that your character is simply a freedom fighter. "
" I couldnt do the nazi thing, i mean level 4 - gas 6 million dews and retards to death. Not my idea of fun or escapism. "
And that's why its not going to work. Video game developers would have to to show a certain knowledge and delicacy when dealing with the Wehrmacht / SS; requiring an audience that is able to distinguish between the two, and differentiate between the deeds of aregime and the deeds of its followers. Obviously, this audience doesn't exist, especially not outside of Europe, where Nazi German has - even in history classes - been turned into a wondrous fantasy land of evil.
Video games, for the most part, cannot be more intelligent than the next Michael Bay movie, or they will be rejected by the audience.
If by done right you mean an accurate portrayal then no. I like being T in counter strike but I don't want to plan suicide bombing attacks on innocents or murder Jews. That is just messed up.
" The poll is very scary. And even worse I voted NAZI. o_0 We need some more things letting you view the opposite side. To much through the US soldiers eyes or the Jewish people eyes. Maybe not make it positive in there perspective but they truly believe what they are doing is right and I wouldn't mind seeing that. "
WTF??? That's the most twisted thing I've ever read (along with almost ever other post in this topic)
Sure, I can think of ways to make an interesting story told from the viewpoint of a Nazi soldier in the context of a game. I'm not so sure that a story about a terrorist would be as compelling, but I might go for an experience like that too, if the game looked alright.
My biggest issue would be the gameplay though. FPS isn't my favorite genre as it is. A good story(or an interesting premise) would go a long way, but I play one FPS a year... Actually, if it had great gameplay and a well told story, I might just buy it because I'd like to see how they handle a story told from a Nazi's perspective.
I wouldn't mind playing a Nazi, provided it's done with respect to all parties and maintains a good level of maturity. What I would actually like to see in a game is a campaign where they actually show the true nature of the Nazis. The Nazis were WAY WAY wrong, but they weren't evil. What they did, they honestly felt was the right thing.
Take the movie Downfall for instance. That movie showed that at his core, Hitler was still a human being, a troubled, mentally and emotionally broken man at the end of his empire. Loved that movie.
I wouldn't really wanna play as a terrorist because this issue is still going on so it hits a little too close to home for me.
Someone has probably already mentioned but if not...
I'm fairly positive Tripwire's next game is suppose to be you as a Nazi. Which is awesome to play WW2 from a different perspective for once and considering Tripwire made Red Orchestra which is awesome. It's either that or you play some of the game as a Nazi. I don't remember exactly, haven't kept up with it but I'll definitely be checking it out.
as for being a Terrorist. It would depend on the context I suppose....I'm pretty sure we have already played several games where you are basically a terrorist. Red Faction Guerilla? Half-Life 2 even...
On the Nazi front, if the game featured a character who was an accountant Nazi rather than a deathsquad Nazi could be interesting. But honestly, when you say 'play as a Nazi', the first thing that pops into my head is PRESS X REPEATEDLY TO GAS JEWS etc. Which is how the game would be viewed 99% of the population of Earth.
Definitely. Not just because it'd be interesting if done well but also push story telling forward in games rather than the default Nazi = Evil copout we've had to put up with in WW2 games for years.
I would, but only if it really tackled the situation in a similar way to Modern Warfare 2's No Russian mission, being more focused on horrifying the player than making them say "DOWN WITH AMERICA!"
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