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#1 Posted by demontium (4709 posts) -

You probably don't know, but in my last blog I bashed the game overthinker for his wrong episode on metroid other M. I still think he's a great speaker, and very knowledgeable, and this is why" 
 
VIVA LA REVOLUCION    
 
I'll do my own bit on this, but for now, get the word out on this video.

#2 Edited by FluxWaveZ (19353 posts) -

I'm pretty sure we had another thread on this today. 
 
Or maybe not; I can't find it.  Anyways, screw that noise.

#3 Posted by FancySoapsMan (5834 posts) -

I was thinking of joining another kind of fucking revolution.

#4 Posted by Yummylee (21768 posts) -

This is a French revolution?

Online
#5 Posted by ComradeCrash (561 posts) -

lol I thought this was a fable 3 reference.

#6 Posted by demontium (4709 posts) -
@ComradeCrash said:
" lol I thought this was a fable 3 reference. "
No, god no.
#7 Edited by HandsomeDead (11863 posts) -

I'll will never trust a man with that kind of facial hair. 
 
EDIT: Add that I will never trust a man who has that kind of facial hair, that coat, a triforce t-shirt in size xxl and a digital watch. What he says is sense but I hate him.

#8 Posted by demontium (4709 posts) -
@HandsomeDead said:
" I'll will never trust a man with that kind of facial hair. "
Just watch it, pretend its ryan davis.
#9 Posted by Ravenousrattler (1417 posts) -

I'm sorry he was taking forever to get to the fricking point, but i assume its to buy games new. For the most part I try to do that but its getting harder and harder to do that.

#10 Posted by blazerx9x (648 posts) -

Howabout you join my holy war?

#11 Posted by demontium (4709 posts) -
@Ravenousrattler said:
" I'm sorry he was taking forever to get to the fricking point, but i assume its to buy games new. For the most part I try to do that but its getting harder and harder to do that. "
No, no its not please watch the whole thing.
#12 Edited by BraveToaster (12589 posts) -

I'm halfway through with the video. In your OP, you should list type out what this guy wants because not everyone is going to sit a watch this guy rant. 
 
I guess I'm already a part of the revolution since I buy from Amazon.

#13 Posted by The_Tolman (433 posts) -
@demontium: is it weird that whenever I read any of your posts, I read them in Kenny Powers voice?
#14 Posted by cjmabry (485 posts) -
#15 Posted by the_OFFICIAL_jAPanese_teaBAG (4308 posts) -
@blazerx9x said:
" Howabout you join my holy war? "
id be down for that
#16 Posted by Ravenousrattler (1417 posts) -

man....that was brutal to sit through, i might consider buying online when i get a new job and can afford to keep a credit card. But right now gamestop is the only option that is not a complete pain in the ass.

#17 Edited by Lemoncookie01 (1667 posts) -

I get most of my stuff from Target and Best Buy so I guess I'm part of the '' Revolution'' .

#18 Posted by ThatFrood (3375 posts) -

ugh

#19 Posted by Hailinel (24969 posts) -
@demontium said:
" You probably don't know, but in my last blog I bashed the game overthinker for his wrong episode on metroid other M. I still think he's a great speaker, and very knowledgeable, and this is why" 
 
VIVA LA REVOLUCION     I'll do my own bit on this, but for now, get the word out on this video. "
What was so wrong about it?  It was wrong because you disagreed with his opinion?
 

 Jesus Christ.
#20 Edited by Mikemcn (6989 posts) -

I rented Sarge's heroes for the N64 a very long time ago, it was not worth it, and haven't ever rented another game since. Im not part of the problem.

#21 Posted by jonnyboy (2920 posts) -

My regard for him still stands, he's merely opinions wrapped in a thesaurus. Knowledge is something very different.

#22 Posted by MikkaQ (10294 posts) -

Okay so... I watched the first 7 minutes, that's enough to get the general point.  
 
I dunno, it's a crazy issue, he has a point in that we're propagating this crazy industry, but at the same time this exists for gobs of other forms of media, and it doesn't harm them as much, probably because they're cheaper to make than games (and in the case of movies, they have theatrical releases to recoup production costs).  
 
Touchy touchy issue, but I don't know if it's the sole reason we're getting safe-bet-sequels galore.  
 
I occasionally buy used games, and occasionally buy new, but that can't be the end of the world for some developers, hell a new franchise I bought used, I could end up liking, and be the guy who buys the next game from that given developer. I know my used purchase of KOTOR has lead me to spend 60 dollars every time Bioware releases a game, without having to look up scores, because I know I'll like it. So that one lost sale on Kotor, got me to buy Dragon Age, Mass Effect 1 & 2, and their weird sonic RPG on day one. There is a balance to strike, and it doesn't involve NO used games. There's just an in-between we should strive for.  
 
Wow why the hell did I type so much, I was trying to feign interest in the issue....

#23 Posted by SeriouslyNow (8534 posts) -

While I agree that GameStop are raping the second hand market, his point of view regarding the new DMC is utterly broken in terms of logic and it makes for a very poor example of the idea he is trying to put forward.  DMC has never been a safe bet for the US market, its sales have always been average at best, especially in the last two games of the series, so CAPCOM are trying something new.  The new Dante isn't a different IP in DMC clothing it's just a reboot of DMC - a fresh coat of paint.  No new IP is being subtracted from the market to make way for it.  Hell, Ninja Theory launched a new IP, Enslaved, just now.  He should have chosen something else instead of Dante's new look, but then he's an overweight manchild who appeals to other overweight manchildren, so it figures that to him new Dante is a new IP ripped from Ninja Theory and that EA are douches while Activision are not.  Guess who plays WoW hardcore?  He does.
 
pfeh. 

#24 Posted by demontium (4709 posts) -
@Mikemcn: its not just about renting.
#25 Posted by demontium (4709 posts) -
@ProjectMayhem said:
" @demontium: is it weird that whenever I read any of your posts, I read them in Kenny Powers voice? "
Thank you.... thank you so much, it fuckin' works. 
 
Kenny mother fuckin' Powers! Takin' over goddamn Mexico!
#26 Posted by ryanwho (12082 posts) -

This is the most important thing he can think of, huh.

#27 Posted by Sin4profit (2937 posts) -

...i was told that there were to be sexual encounters in said revolution...

#28 Edited by ryanwho (12082 posts) -

Cars do fine with the used car market around. Its just an industry incapable of acclimating to the status quo whining about something that everyone is dealing with.

#29 Posted by pornstorestiffi (4922 posts) -

I just signed up to join the Republic Forces, my Stormtrooper workers outfit should arrive soon, so get ready to die, rebel scum.

#30 Posted by SPACETURTLE (1622 posts) -
#31 Posted by Gaff (1773 posts) -
@ryanwho said:
" Cars do fine with the used car market around. Its just an industry incapable of acclimating to the status quo whining about something that everyone is dealing with. "
Oh man... Not again.
#32 Posted by Hailinel (24969 posts) -
@ryanwho said:
" Cars do fine with the used car market around. Its just an industry incapable of acclimating to the status quo whining about something that everyone is dealing with. "
Right.  Because the automobile and video game markets function in exact the same manner.
 
What.
#33 Posted by ryanwho (12082 posts) -

Gaming doesn't function like any other market because every other market found a way to deal with used sales. So I guess since gaming isn't "exactly" like any other market, it can't be compared to anything huh? Your logical pathway beat me again. Now I know you just came in to troll, Hal,  cus that's all you do lately, but here's what the video you didn't bother to watch suggests.   

It suggests Gamestop has a monopoly, then says you can buy big releases anywhere. This man has strange ideas of what a monopoly is. It suggests Gamestop is doing something bad for the industry, then points they happen to have the best selection and deals and that its our fault that they're proactive while other stores are reactive. Seems like capitalism is what put Gamestop in the position its in. The fact that every other option is less convenient kind of leads creedance to GS being the leader for a reason. If I have to go out of my way to buy a game at Best Buy by bringing bar code to the costumer service rep like a fucking psychopath, Im kind of doing Best Buy's job for them. They should be able to figure out how to get people in their stores to buy games and if they can't, they don't deserve the success they're losing out on.

#34 Posted by Hailinel (24969 posts) -
@ryanwho:   Trolling?  You painted a blanket comparison between the two industries without taking into account the massive differences between them.  And last I checked, the automotive industry was still crawling their way out of some pretty deep shit that they had managed to get themselves into. 
#35 Posted by ShockD (2403 posts) -

Yes, comrade, count me in!

#36 Posted by ryanwho (12082 posts) -
@Hailinel: k troll
#37 Posted by HandsomeDead (11863 posts) -

I haven't really been to anywhere that sells video games in North America but Walmart here has the DVD section then the games behind plexiglass. Is there a good reason for this other than to make it look like they're difficult to buy and then always seem awkward when an indecisive kid is trying to get what he wants? I imagine you can just walk in and buy stuff in Gamestop and that immediately puts it at an advantage.

#38 Posted by ryanwho (12082 posts) -

Gamestop just has display boxes on the walls. Everything is behind the counter.

#39 Posted by Hailinel (24969 posts) -
@HandsomeDead said:
" I haven't really been to anywhere that sells video games in North America but Walmart here has the DVD section then the games behind plexiglass. Is there a good reason for this other than to make it look like they're difficult to buy and then always seem awkward when an indecisive kid is trying to get what he wants? I imagine you can just walk in and buy stuff in Gamestop and that immediately puts it at an advantage. "
Gamestop keeps all new copies of their games behind the counter.  And for used games, you have to bring them the case of the game you want from off of the shelf so that they can put the game disc back in it.  All used games are kept in envelops secured in drawers, also behind the counter.  And there's also the situation where you buy a new game, but the only one left in stock is the display copy, meaning that they have to pull the empty game case they gutted for display purposes off of the shelf in order to put the game back in it.
#40 Edited by fisk0 (4168 posts) -

How about a comparison between literature and video games then. Literature has been in it's current form for about three to four hundred years, and has had mass market appeal for at least the last 100-150 years, and for that entire time used book stores/antiquarians have existed, yet the book industry seem to be a thriving market, while certainly not as massive as it was in the pre-home theatre days, but I haven't heard any writers crying out that used book sales are killing the industry, quite the opposite - as the antiquary is almost as highly regarded as the library as a place for literature enthusiasts to meet and discuss the culture.


Sure, books are often written by a single author, while game development for the last 15 years has been going more and more in the direction of massive teams and multimillion dollar budgets - but is it fair to blame the fact that they're spending too much on developing the games that they can't make them break even in sales on the resale market rather than that they just seem to be terrible at keeping the balance between expense and income? While video games have moved in a direction away from auteurs the small development teams with a limited budget still exist, and in some cases even seem to do really well - the most recent example being Minecraft.

#41 Posted by ryanwho (12082 posts) -

Idunno man. Since literature is not exactly precisely like games I don't think it counts.

#42 Edited by RsistncE (4496 posts) -

This fat douche/nerd doesn't understand microeconomics in any capacity that would even approach "sufficient". 
  
Reasons this guy is a retard: 

#1: Gamestop is NOT a monopoly. Hell it's not even part of an oligopoly. Sure it's not part of an industry that's engaging in perfect competition, but there's not many industries that do anyways.  
#2: This guy's concept of "good" and "bad" are fucked. A monopoly is always bad? OK, I can see that argued very easily, but competition is always good? Not necessarily, in fact he proved why it isn't with his broken cold war analogy. 
#3: Obviously Gamestop keeps "100%!!!!" of the profit, that's the very definition of profit. They also keep "100%!!!" of the profit when they sell a new game. Saying "100%!!!" when referring to profit is redundant.
#4: If developers are getting "screwed" then they should drop the prices of their games. They're not pricing competitively and that's why people are buying games used. 
#5: Publishers force developers to continue making proven franchises not because of used games, they force them to because of exactly that, they're PROVEN. The cost of making a game is so high that you're taking a massive risk by making a new IP without predicted consumer response. This guy's naive sense of how businesses operate, namely that they should be taking risks left right and centre, is completely fucked. This is why even if the used game market is gone companies will continue to make proven franchises because it's good fucking business.
#6: There is no such thing as a free market. Period. 
#7: I have no idea how it is in the US, but every release that comes out in Gamestop here also comes out in big box electronics stores, WalMart etc.  
#8: I like how he think's he's brilliant because he understands the introductory paragraph of my Quantitative Decision Analysis texbook. 
#9: Sweet so instead of giving our business to Gamestop we give it to another business. This changes anything how? All you're doing is shifting consumers, you're not changing anything. 
#10: STOP CALLING GAMESTOP A MONOPOLY. 
 
One word in regards to this video: 
 
UGH.

#43 Posted by RsistncE (4496 posts) -
@Hailinel: First of all you're wrong for saying "automotive industry". Only select US automotive retailers took a nose dive, the reason? They made shit cars and had horribly internal processes. It had nothing to do with the used car business at all. 
 
@fisk0 said:
"

How about a comparison between literature and video games then. Literature has been in it's current form for about three to four hundred years, and has had mass market appeal for at least the last 100-150 years, and for that entire time used book stores/antiquarians have existed, yet the book industry seem to be a thriving market, while certainly not as massive as it was in the pre-home theatre days, but I haven't heard any writers crying out that used book sales are killing the industry, quite the opposite - as the antiquary is almost as highly regarded as the library as a place for literature enthusiasts to meet and discuss the culture.


Sure, books are often written by a single author, while game development for the last 15 years has been going more and more in the direction of massive teams and multimillion dollar budgets - but is it fair to blame the fact that they're spending too much on developing the games that they can't make them break even in sales on the resale market rather than that they just seem to be terrible at keeping the balance between expense and income? While video games have moved in a direction away from auteurs the small development teams with a limited budget still exist, and in some cases even seem to do really well - the most recent example being Minecraft.

"
Finally someone with some sense.
#44 Edited by ryanwho (12082 posts) -

I think shit games and horrible internal processes could explain some problems in the game industry too. Used games aren't the silver bullet people want it to be. And if used games are gone and the same problems persist, now digital piracy is the silver bullet. Anything to avoid accountability.

#45 Posted by W0lfbl1tzers (1789 posts) -

You only wear a trench coat with a suit. Jesus! You don't look badass with your trench coat over your t-shirt. You look like a fucking maniac.

#46 Posted by RsistncE (4496 posts) -
@ryanwho said:
" I think shit games and horrible internal processes could explain some problems in the game industry too. Used games aren't the silver bullet people want it to be. And if used games are gone and the same problems persist, now digital piracy is the silver bullet. Anything to avoid accountability. "
It's called self serving bias. We are likely to attribute success to internal factors while blaming failure on external factors. But you're correct in saying those same problems plague the games industry; in fact they plague every industry.
#47 Posted by RsistncE (4496 posts) -

What, not a single person disagrees with what I said? Fine, screw you guys, I'm going home.

#48 Edited by Stika (9 posts) -

Haven't watched the video, but let me guess....
 
 
Halo Hate, Gamestop Hate, Nintendo is god, Halo is bad, messiah complex here and god complex there?
 
EDIT: oh look, I was right

#49 Posted by MasterOfPenguins_Zell (2093 posts) -

I pretty much only buy games from Amazon now. They also give a lot of coupons for pre ordering, and offer release day shipping.

#50 Posted by ryanwho (12082 posts) -
@Stika said:
" Haven't watched the video, but let me guess....   Halo Hate, Gamestop Hate, Nintendo is god, Halo is bad, messiah complex here and god complex there? "
Nope. But thanks for sharing your smart assumptions with the class. That'll get you far.