Killzone 2 bus ads removed...looked like "Iraq"...

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#1  Edited By vidiot

I'm not exactly sure where this goes, it's a little bit of General Discussion and a little bit of Off-Topic.

...You cant just make this stuff up...You just cant....

I'm almost at a loss of words, I'm sure other people on this board can do a better job at sounding off the pain trying to think of the situation from a logical standpoint. But here are some quotes that will make your brain hurt:

School teacher Davis Mirza is partially responsible for the ads being removed, having emailed Sony Computer Entertainment Canada after seeing shocking images of a "menacing head with glowing eyes" and scenes of war "like Iraq".


Pictured above: An Iraqi insurgent dons his ceremonial Space Nazi gas mask.

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#2  Edited By Arkthemaniac

People sure know how to be lame.

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#3  Edited By PowerSerj

Dude probably isn't even General rank yet.

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#4  Edited By fr0br0

I bet this story just sold 10 more copies...

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#5  Edited By suneku

General discussions is fine because it's Killzone 2 related, but more preferable for this thread to be in the Killzone 2 forums but it's cool.

Anyways, I'm wondering what it was that he saw that makes the glowing eyes related to Iraq.

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#6  Edited By Matt_
Fr0Br0 said:
"I bet this story just sold 10 more copies..."

lol, I really am hoping so.
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#7  Edited By Jayge_

Davis Mirza should not be allowed to influence children with his bullshit.

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#8  Edited By fr0br0
suneku said:
"General discussions is fine because it's Killzone 2 related, but more preferable for this thread to be in the Killzone 2 forums but it's cool.Anyways, I'm wondering what it was that he saw that makes the glowing eyes related to Iraq."
The glowing eyes reminded him of Nazis. Because you know... Nazis have glowing eyes...
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#9  Edited By FrankCanada97

We can only blame this on the alienation of non-gamers.

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#10  Edited By Ujio

Another bleeding heart. Like I mentioned over at the 1UP boards just because this one teacher's perception is skewed that makes this ad wrong?

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#11  Edited By Guardian

Toronto should be use to violence by now.

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#12  Edited By Diamond

He said that there were other ads that looked like scenes of Iraq, not that the masks of the Helghast reminded him of Iraq.

Something like bus-side ads are going to be seen by a lot of people, including small children.  The Helghast mask is probably fine, but if they had violent scenes, I can understand taking them down.

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#13  Edited By LiveOrDie1212

well, atleast it gets people who haven't heard about the game start talkin about it  : )

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#14  Edited By WilliamRLBaker

*shakes head* some people truely are just retarded i mean how can you mistake or think of those scenes as iraq or any thing? i mean they look like any scene of war.... just another person that thinks every thing should be hidden from children thats bad thus making them incapable of dealing with any problems later on in life.

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#15  Edited By Diamond

None of you people have any experience with children do you?

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#16  Edited By FrankCanada97
Guardian said:
"Toronto should be use to violence by now."
Nah, you're thinking of Vancouver!
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#17  Edited By Linkyshinks

Another dumb decision by Sony.

There are far more menacing images that kids are confronted with on a everyday basis, this is tame and his reasons for objection to the advert are lame.

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#18  Edited By WilliamRLBaker
Diamond said:
"None of you people have any experience with children do you?"
and you do? as for that i do since i've got a nephew i've been around since he was born and have had to have a hand in raising him though i don't want too.

Simply put its a far worse thing to shield children from the small things then it is not too, you shield a child from horribly large things you dont sit and put them in a closet and lock it so they experience nothing, These kids obviously have experienced war and terror the job is to help them work through that, not help them cover it up like it never happend and there is no war.

A life is your experiences if your never allowed to experience any thing bad then even the smallest bad things fuck you up.
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#19  Edited By Diamond
WilliamRLBaker said:
Simply put its a far worse thing to shield children from the small things then it is not too, you shield a child from horribly large things you dont sit and put them in a closet and lock it so they experience nothing, These kids obviously have experienced war and terror the job is to help them work through that, not help them cover it up like it never happend and there is no war.A life is your experiences if your never allowed to experience any thing bad then even the smallest bad things fuck you up."
I don't think you should take away the innocence of a children by exposing them to stuff like war, violence, porn and drugs at a young age.  I think that's just common sense.  In the case of these Killzone 2 bus billboards, the 'Iraq war' part, was there blood in the ads?  Was it graphic?  I think gamers should be more responsible and see how these sort of things really do matter rather than always siding with the companies blindly.  A child shouldn't have to experience war at a young age.  Kids should live long enough so they experience it later on.  Experience is a lifelong process, it shouldn't be forced upon young children.  That's how you truly get fucked up people who continue this cycle.
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#20  Edited By WilliamRLBaker

There is no such thing as innocence and to believe such...well i wont say any more but where at any point did you get that i was talking about taking their innocence away? Heres a tip the only way to keep someone innocent is to keep them stupid, blind and oblivious to any thing but what you deem as innocent.

That means taking your kids, puting them in a closet, cutting their arms and legs off and never letting them leave your sphere of influence...yeah its pretty much impossible unless you do exactly what i just described.

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#21  Edited By Captain_Fookup
FrankCanada97 said:
"Guardian said:
"Toronto should be use to violence by now."
Nah, you're thinking of Vancouver!"
Saskatoon has the highest murder rate, dude.
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#22  Edited By Diamond
WilliamRLBaker said:
"There is no such thing as innocence and to believe such...well i wont say any more but where at any point did you get that i was talking about taking their innocence away? Heres a tip the only way to keep someone innocent is to keep them stupid, blind and oblivious to any thing but what you deem as innocent.That means taking your kids, puting them in a closet, cutting their arms and legs off and never letting them leave your sphere of influence...yeah its pretty much impossible unless you do exactly what i just described."
Yes, there is such a thing.  Little kids.  Were you abused as a child or something?  Because children being exposed to violent ads (at least if the KZ2 ad was violent) doesn't seem right to me.  Little kids are SUPPOSED to be stupid.  I seriously hope you never have children.

A small child will only be damaged by showing them shocking imagery.  They don't have the capacity to understand the difference between reality and fake, let alone understand the implications of war.
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#23  Edited By lamegame621

I think we should ban the news then.They show potentially damaging images non-stop.

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#24  Edited By Diamond
lamegame621 said:
"I think we should ban the news then.They show potentially damaging images non-stop."
That's what parental controls on TVs and games are for.  Parents can also turn off the TV.  They can't make a billboard in public disappear or not appear in front of their children.  That's the point.  Once again I'll say I don't think the glowing eyes is a problem at all, but if there was some bloody & violent ad, I can see why that should be removed.
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#25  Edited By OneEyedNinja7

Hmmm, I wonder what the ad looked like. I doubt that the ad would show blood and would more likely look like this (also taken down in a lot of subway stations/bus stops). I can't really put fair input for this topic until I see the ad though.

A Washington DC in ruins makes subway goers sad.
A Washington DC in ruins makes subway goers sad.

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#26  Edited By WilliamRLBaker

You hope I don't have kids diamond but the kids you raise will go psycho and kill someone because they took a french fry from them or made them cry or stole their girl friend...ect

P.S: if the definition of innocence to you is being a KID then innocence is evil since some kids out of ignorance and stupidity do some pretty horrible things...like shooting their brothers because they didn't know better not to play with that gun, or pushing a kid off a swing and breaking his neck cause the kid wouldn't let them have their turn.

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#27  Edited By Diamond
WilliamRLBaker said:
"You hope I don't have kids diamond but the kids you raise will go psycho and kill someone because they took a french fry from them or made them cry or stole their girl friend...ect"
You have to be chemically unbalanced to do stuff like that if you weren't abused as a child.  Exposing your small children to excess violence?  That's abuse.  Most children in Western countries aren't exposed to excess violence when young and they turn out fine.

My definition of innocence isn't being a kid, I'm saying little kids ARE innocent.  What kind of fucking retarded parents let guns laying around the house and not locked up and secured?  That has nothing to do with innocence, that has to do with abusive / incompetent parenting.  If you had any experience with children at all, you'd know telling them not to use a gun just makes them want to do it more.
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#28  Edited By MetalGearSunny

What.....what??

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#29  Edited By StaticFalconar

So thats how them canuks see the iraq war......

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#30  Edited By lamegame621
Diamond said:
"lamegame621 said:
"I think we should ban the news then.They show potentially damaging images non-stop."
That's what parental controls on TVs and games are for.  Parents can also turn off the TV.  They can't make a billboard in public disappear or not appear in front of their children.  That's the point.  Once again I'll say I don't think the glowing eyes is a problem at all, but if there was some bloody & violent ad, I can see why that should be removed."
I can't really say anything for certain, seeing as I haven't seen the ad. I think they should treat movie ads the same way. I think video games get unfair treatment in that respect. But I digress: another topic for another day.
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#31  Edited By Player1
PowerSerj said:
"Dude probably isn't even General rank yet."
For the win. 
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#32  Edited By c1337us

Who knew that Suddams WMD's was actually a secret army of Space Nazis. I never saw that one coming. The stupidity of people never fails to astound me.

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#33  Edited By deadmonkeys

So... sexually suggestive advertisements are ok but THIS isn't?
What the FUCK? Last I checked violence was A OK and sex was an affront to nature in North America.