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#1 Edited by Darji (5294 posts) -

This is kind of sad look at our industry....

Even if it were a prank but Kotaku just reported that the eroge game Monster Girl Quest 3 almost won community GOTY. But even they have not played or even looked at it they immediately said it was just a prank and shot it down... Yeah it has erotic content and hardcore sex scenes but that does not mean the gameplay or the story has to be bad a all. There are quite a few games out there which have decent to very good RPG mechanics and battle systems or a really good and interesting story but will sadly will never taken seriously by the gaming press just because of its sex scenes...

Personally I have not played the game and do not plan to since I do not like this monster girl fetish but I actually looked up impressions and people actually really liked the plot and characters as well as the battle system of the game. So it is even more sad to see that they did not even take a look at it before "shutting" it down.

Here is the argument why it should be GOTY which sounds actually reasonable and also in line with what I have found about the game in a quick search.

WhyMonster Girl Quest 3 should be Game of the Year:

Because it had the best storyline of the year. I'm serious.

Please put down the torches.

Woo, boy. This isnt gonna go over very well I dont think. Yes, its an erotic visual novel. Yes, the gameplay is fap bait at best. Yes, it deals with a lot of uncomfortable issues and yes, you look like a creep, weirdo, or the worst human imaginable for playing this game. That being said, the story of Luka and the Monster Lord vs the Armies of Ilias was solid enough to put in the running for my game of the year based only on characters and storyline.

What started as what seemed to be a nothing plot in the first game solely consisting of a young man being assaulted by monsters, starts unfolding into a story about discrimination and religious zeal. War and misunderstanding. Betrayal and terrorism. All sorts of horrible things taking part in the world, and one man's difficult journey to try and bring peace.

As the storyline continues and Luka wins battles, it becomes a tale of friendship and heroics, as well as redemption and the ability to set aside your differences, regardless of birth, homeland, or number of limbs.

You learn to care about these various characters. By the halfway point of part 1, I had abandoned the erotic content and went through the combats just so i can see what would happen to Luka, Alice, Tamamo, and the others. By the end of the final part of the series, even the villains were sympathetic and you started to see the world as Luka would, with the desire for peace between humans, monsters, and angels.

There will be very few that can accept the game given its subject matter and core concept, but for those who can, it can be an eye opening experience.

Also, if you are interested i suppose, it has lots of boobs in it.

http://kotaku.com/pranksters-almost-voted-an-erotic-game-as-our-readers-1491717281

So yeah.... This industry has still a long way to go to be even called mature...

#2 Posted by Party (74 posts) -

@darji: It's not just this industry, buddy. This short of thing would be shot down in any industry.

#3 Edited by BisonHero (6048 posts) -

Whatever, a bunch of the votes were still not sincere, so it still didn't deserve to win. The game got so many votes because 4chan had topics telling people to vote for the game just to mess with Kotaku. Hundreds and thousands of those votes are likely from people that have never even played the game. So yes, it was a prank, and I highly doubt it genuinely had that much community adoration.

So if you want to talk about problems with maturity, then the editors of Kotaku are not the guilty parties in this case.

#4 Posted by Video_Game_King (35814 posts) -

Why is this news?

#5 Edited by Akyho (1584 posts) -

Its a poll on the internet...public people on internet. People are assholes did you not notice the last 20 years of the internet? Not the industry...the public.

Also....I dont see your point about erotic content on a game you have no played you are white knighting on....

#6 Edited by Darji (5294 posts) -

Whatever, a bunch of the votes were still not sincere, so it still didn't deserve to win. The game got so many votes because 4chan had topics telling people to vote for the game just to mess with Kotaku. Hundreds and thousands of those votes are likely from people that have never even played the game. So yes, it was a prank, and I highly doubt it genuinely had that much community adoration.

So if you want to talk about problems with maturity, then the editors of Kotaku are not the guilty parties in this case.

No I would not call it a prank. I remember a ton of Zelda fans also voting for Zelda games because people were told on these forums to vote for it. It is pretty common to do so. Again I will not say that this game is good or anything but at least they should have looked at it first in my opinion.

#7 Posted by Milkman (16481 posts) -

Are you seriously defending some dumb 4chan prank anime fucking game?

#8 Posted by Ravenlight (8040 posts) -

Completely ignoring the internet vs. Kotaku bullshit, has anyone else played it? Is it any good?

#9 Posted by Flacracker (1574 posts) -

I would not call a naked cartoon pussy anime desu game mature.

#10 Posted by McLargepants (354 posts) -

Okay.

#11 Edited by Darji (5294 posts) -

@milkman said:

Are you seriously defending some dumb 4chan prank anime fucking game?

How do you know it is dumb? because it has porn in it? Again I have not played it but I have looked up reviews and the story seems pretty interesting but the whole turn off for me is this monster fetish. However I have played several eroge games which had fantastic stories which are even better than many many many other videogame stories and also have good game and battle mechanis if it was an RPG for example.

All I am saying and defending is that you should not dismiss a game just because it has porn or erotic content in it.

#12 Edited by Demoskinos (14515 posts) -

Oh boy,This thread is going to go well. If anyone is itnterested though I believe it was @eroticfishcake who did a blog series about playing eroge games for the story. Which was sort of interesting.

#13 Posted by SquirrelGOD (485 posts) -

Riiiight. It's the "immature" people that don't want to look at cartoons fucking.

#14 Posted by joshwent (2051 posts) -

I think this might be the wrong situation to prove your point with, Darji.

I don't like the vibe that Kotaku puts out at all, but this is obvious trolling.

#15 Posted by BisonHero (6048 posts) -

@darji said:

@bisonhero said:

Whatever, a bunch of the votes were still not sincere, so it still didn't deserve to win. The game got so many votes because 4chan had topics telling people to vote for the game just to mess with Kotaku. Hundreds and thousands of those votes are likely from people that have never even played the game. So yes, it was a prank, and I highly doubt it genuinely had that much community adoration.

So if you want to talk about problems with maturity, then the editors of Kotaku are not the guilty parties in this case.

No I would not call it a prank. I remember a ton of Zelda fans also voting for Zelda games because people were told on these forums to vote for it. It is pretty common to do so. Again I will not say that this game is good or anything but at least they should have looked at it first in my opinion.

People go and vote for Zelda because they like Zelda. Someone informs random people that there is a poll where Zelda is a contender, and the people who really like Zelda go and vote.

In this case, people go and vote for an eroge game because they think it will be embarrassing for Kotaku to announce an eroge game as their game of the year. It's perfectly fine that the game was in the poll if its story is cool or whatever, but there is no way that very much of that poll response was people who had personally played the game and like it a lot.

#16 Posted by Milkman (16481 posts) -

@darji: They voted for it as a joke. Just because one dude wrote something about why they like it doesn't mean that 99% of the votes weren't cast to just troll Kotaku.

#17 Edited by Darji (5294 posts) -

@ravenlight: some impressions;

Gameplaywise 2nd one was better than the 3rd which was better than the first.

Half the fights in the 1st one are still introducing you to the mechanics, so there's only one way to win. It's less like an RPG than it is a puzzle until half way through at which point the combat opens up.

The 2nd one is the best in terms of combat because it gives you a full set of tools and battles are varied enough that there is no universal FOOS (First Order Optimal Strategy). The battles require you to pay attention and think about what you're doing. It's pretty damn fun.

The third one is theoretically just as open and demanding as the second one, but because of some of your new moves there's a FOOS that works until the very last few fights

Daystar, Gnome, regular attack until you have enough to Meditate (if necessary), Meditate, Slyph/Fallen Angel Dance or Undine depending on the enemy, attack until you can Daystar again while healing and refreshing summons as necessary, repeat until victory.

And the 2nd to final boss can be locked into pattern that can't kill you.

Storywise it's pretty good throughout. It's a really simple and standard type of JRPG story, but it's told really well and spends as much time fully embracing certain tropes of the genre as it does poking fun at them.

All-in-all as a game, not as porn and not as just a porn game, I found it to be a pretty quality series.

#18 Posted by Flappy (2112 posts) -

Giantbomb no longer supports Naked Cartoon Pussy.

#19 Posted by HatKing (5768 posts) -

None of the shit in that defense made a compelling argument for why it's good. What happens in something isn't what makes it good or bad, but how it's done. And the how is entirely passed over. You can have a fantastic story, but if it's loaded with a bunch of meaningless sex scenes, it rings a little hollow. That's called exploitation.

#20 Edited by wjb (1621 posts) -

#21 Posted by Ravenlight (8040 posts) -

@darji said:

@ravenlight: some impressions;

Gameplaywise 2nd one was better than the 3rd which was better than the first.

Half the fights in the 1st one are still introducing you to the mechanics, so there's only one way to win. It's less like an RPG than it is a puzzle until half way through at which point the combat opens up.

The 2nd one is the best in terms of combat because it gives you a full set of tools and battles are varied enough that there is no universal FOOS (First Order Optimal Strategy). The battles require you to pay attention and think about what you're doing. It's pretty damn fun.

The third one is theoretically just as open and demanding as the second one, but because of some of your new moves there's a FOOS that works until the very last few fights

Daystar, Gnome, regular attack until you have enough to Meditate (if necessary), Meditate, Slyph/Fallen Angel Dance or Undine depending on the enemy, attack until you can Daystar again while healing and refreshing summons as necessary, repeat until victory.

And the 2nd to final boss can be locked into pattern that can't kill you.

Storywise it's pretty good throughout. It's a really simple and standard type of JRPG story, but it's told really well and spends as much time fully embracing certain tropes of the genre as it does poking fun at them.

All-in-all as a game, not as porn and not as just a porn game, I found it to be a pretty quality series.

Oh, so it's not a VN? Laaame.

#22 Edited by believer258 (11562 posts) -

Isn't that pretty much the same thing as considering porn films for an Oscar? EDIT: Only on a vastly smaller and more casual scale. I do understand that a community vote on Kotaku is not equivalent to the fucking Oscars.

When the main purpose of a piece of entertainment is titillation, then it can hardly be considered good art. It's pandering to our most base instincts and desires. It's got a story? So what? The purpose of the story is to give context to the fucking and that's it.

I say this only knowing the information presented in this thread, and I say that to cover my ass in case Monster Girl Quest 3 is the Citizen Kane Schindler's List of gaming.

Anyway, when something like an anime eroge game is given so many votes then it's clearly a joke and thus doesn't really deserve this conversation.

#23 Edited by MariachiMacabre (7039 posts) -

Because 4chan induced a mass-voting prank to be assholes. Of course Kotaku shot it down. Are you seriously telling me that thousands of people sincerely believed a hardcore anime porn game to be the best game of 2013?

#24 Edited by Darji (5294 posts) -

@joshwent said:

I think this might be the wrong situation to prove your point with, Darji.

I don't like the vibe that Kotaku puts out at all, but this is obvious trolling.

I pretty much used this as stepping stone because it is actually pretty sad to dissmiss such games just because of its porn content. Many of these games have these scenes not just only for the sake of it for example. Of course there are ton of really bad and stupid ones like rapelay for example but there are also really good ones like White Album 2 which is actually a really great and sad love story or kimi ga nozumo eien.

Also if you do not like these sex scenes you always can easily skip them as well.

@mariachimacabre: People think gone home is GOTY 2013 so why not this? Some people think Peggle 2 is GOTY so why not this? Because it has porn in it? Something almost everyone watches but not many will admit they do?

@ravenlight it is a VN with RPG mechanics and battlessytem.

#25 Posted by Milkman (16481 posts) -

@darji: Is this part of your campaign to get Sasha Grey nominated for a Oscar too?

#26 Posted by ArtisanBreads (3720 posts) -

hahaha this is a great thread.

#27 Edited by President_Barackbar (3416 posts) -

Isn't that pretty much the same thing as considering porn films for an Oscar? EDIT: Only on a vastly smaller and more casual scale. I do understand that a community vote on Kotaku is not equivalent to the fucking Oscars.

When the main purpose of a piece of entertainment is titillation, then it can hardly be considered good art. It's pandering to our most base instincts and desires. It's got a story? So what? The purpose of the story is to give context to the fucking and that's it.

While I'm not defending this specific game, I don't think your porn comparison is apt. I think its more akin to saying that the film Shame didn't deserve awards consideration because of the sexual content presented. Just because something contains sexual material does not mean it is instantly relegated to non-serious territory. For all I know, this specific game has a lot of well done writing and good character development. It shouldn't be written off just because of sexual material.

#28 Posted by TheVeteran13 (1197 posts) -

The fuck does Eroge mean?

I'm sure as hell not googling it.

#29 Edited by Demoskinos (14515 posts) -

@milkman said:

@darji: Is this part of your campaign to get Sasha Grey nominated for a Oscar too?

I'd vote for her. Her films get an emotional response out of me every time.

#30 Edited by Pezen (1550 posts) -

If you want to tell a well written tale, why make the barrier to entry so high that some people simply won't bother due to some of the content within?

I mean, I love Katawa Shoujo, but I will never blame someone for not playing it due to the existence of sex scenes that are borderline creepy looking. I think they're missing out, but I completely understand.

But I agree with others though, this all just sounds like the internet being the internet.

#31 Posted by President_Barackbar (3416 posts) -

The fuck does Eroge mean?

I'm sure as hell not googling it.

You could totally look it up on Wikipedia. But essentially it refers to a Japanese video game that is sexual in nature.

#32 Edited by Darji (5294 posts) -

@milkman said:

@darji: Is this part of your campaign to get Sasha Grey nominated for a Oscar too?

If she plays in a movie and is very good in it? Sure. Again do you just dismiss her because she does porn? Also I looked up stuff on YouTube and there are lets plays for it which actually show you a option that let you skip these sex scenes completely. They are totally optional.

#33 Edited by CornBREDX (4754 posts) -

I cant really go with you on this one. While I don't have a problem with erotica or porn games, I don't expect publications that intend to be serious about covering video games to say an AO game is GOTY.

If it's voted in, it's certainly a troll, much like when ET the video game was voted into a museum gallery. It's a mockery of the competition in the first place.

And no, I have not played any porn games that could be considered game of the year so you'll have a hard time swinging that as being legitimately in the running for me.

It's as obvious a troll as people constantly mentioning Rapelay in a conversation about video games in general just because.

Edit: Also, the kotaku article says that it was 24 votes short of #1. I don't see them ignoring it at all. Comment about it actually takes up most of the article which mainly just suggests (with good reason) that it was clearly trolled.

#34 Posted by DonChipotle (2693 posts) -

Are these votes coming from the same people who really rallied behind Katawa Shoujo? Because if so, fuck those guys and also nominate better eroge.

#35 Posted by connerthekewlkid (1799 posts) -

#36 Posted by Petiew (1322 posts) -

@darji said:

I pretty much used this as stepping stone because it is actually pretty sad to dissmiss such games just because of its porn content.

At least play this game before using it as an example Darji. The battles are straight up porn. The monster girls fuck the main character and try to make him ejaculate. Here are the attacks the first enemy in the game uses against you.

Eros’s Handjob, Cupid’s Blowjob, Amore’s Tit Fuck, Tit Fuck Temptation, Love Angel’s Lust.

Sure there might be a story behind it but this isn't a game you can just skip the h-scenes in, because that's the game.

#37 Posted by Oldirtybearon (4515 posts) -

@milkman said:

@darji: Is this part of your campaign to get Sasha Grey nominated for a Oscar too?

Eh, she was pretty good in The Girlfriend Experience.

#38 Posted by e30bmw (356 posts) -

So this is the same exact thing where the 4chan kids try and get Bieber to go perform in North Korea or whatever. So hilarious if you're like 14...

#39 Posted by EarlessShrimp (1631 posts) -
#40 Posted by Darji (5294 posts) -

@petiew said:

@darji said:

I pretty much used this as stepping stone because it is actually pretty sad to dissmiss such games just because of its porn content.

At least play this game before using it as an example Darji. The battles are straight up porn. The monster girls fuck the main character and try to make him ejaculate. Here are the attacks the first enemy in the game uses against you.

Eros’s Handjob, Cupid’s Blowjob, Amore’s Tit Fuck, Tit Fuck Temptation, Love Angel’s Lust.

Sure there might be a story behind it but this isn't a game you can just skip the h-scenes in, because that's the game.

Sorry you can skip the more "disgusting" scenes. Not everything completely. Also you do not see these moves unless you lose a battle or if its story related as far as i have seen. As I said I watched some of the YouTube lets plays for it. It is a more like old school FF battlesystem.

#41 Posted by CornBREDX (4754 posts) -
#42 Posted by believer258 (11562 posts) -

@believer258 said:

Isn't that pretty much the same thing as considering porn films for an Oscar? EDIT: Only on a vastly smaller and more casual scale. I do understand that a community vote on Kotaku is not equivalent to the fucking Oscars.

When the main purpose of a piece of entertainment is titillation, then it can hardly be considered good art. It's pandering to our most base instincts and desires. It's got a story? So what? The purpose of the story is to give context to the fucking and that's it.

While I'm not defending this specific game, I don't think your porn comparison is apt. I think its more akin to saying that the film Shame didn't deserve awards consideration because of the sexual content presented. Just because something contains sexual material does not mean it is instantly relegated to non-serious territory. For all I know, this specific game has a lot of well done writing and good character development. It shouldn't be written off just because of sexual material.

Well, did the makers of Shame intend for people to watch it primarily for titillation? I didn't say you couldn't have sexual content, even pretty overt depictions of sex, but when your main purpose is to make people horny then you're not really making something for an award, except awards specifically for porn.

Does Shame do something more than be erotic?

#43 Edited by Darji (5294 posts) -

@believer258: There are Eroge stories that will make cry and also have tons of sex scenes in it. People dismiss these games because they have hardcore scenes in it without even take a look at it. of course you can say that you do not like it but saying it is crap just because it has porn in it?

#44 Edited by MB (11889 posts) -

This topic could end up on my "Dumbest shit I've seen on the Giant Bomb Forums, 2013 edition" list.

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#45 Edited by wjb (1621 posts) -

@petiew said:

At least play this game before using it as an example Darji. The battles are straight up porn. The monster girls fuck the main character and try to make him ejaculate. Here are the attacks the first enemy in the game uses against you.

Eros’s Handjob, Cupid’s Blowjob, Amore’s Tit Fuck, Tit Fuck Temptation, Love Angel’s Lust.

Sure there might be a story behind it but this isn't a game you can just skip the h-scenes in, because that's the game.

Oh good, there's multiple versions of tit fucking. I was worried.

Cupid's Blowjob just sounds fucking gross.

#46 Posted by ArtisanBreads (3720 posts) -

@petiew said:


Tit Fuck Temptation,

On second thought this is GOTY.

#47 Posted by e30bmw (356 posts) -

@president_barackbar said:

@believer258 said:

Isn't that pretty much the same thing as considering porn films for an Oscar? EDIT: Only on a vastly smaller and more casual scale. I do understand that a community vote on Kotaku is not equivalent to the fucking Oscars.

When the main purpose of a piece of entertainment is titillation, then it can hardly be considered good art. It's pandering to our most base instincts and desires. It's got a story? So what? The purpose of the story is to give context to the fucking and that's it.

While I'm not defending this specific game, I don't think your porn comparison is apt. I think its more akin to saying that the film Shame didn't deserve awards consideration because of the sexual content presented. Just because something contains sexual material does not mean it is instantly relegated to non-serious territory. For all I know, this specific game has a lot of well done writing and good character development. It shouldn't be written off just because of sexual material.

Well, did the makers of Shame intend for people to watch it primarily for titillation? I didn't say you couldn't have sexual content, even pretty overt depictions of sex, but when your main purpose is to make people horny then you're not really making something for an award, except awards specifically for porn.

Does Shame do something more than be erotic?

Shame isn't trying to be erotic. In fact, I don't remember any of the erotic stuff in it. It's primarily about addiction.

#48 Edited by Turambar (6638 posts) -

@believer258 said:

Isn't that pretty much the same thing as considering porn films for an Oscar? EDIT: Only on a vastly smaller and more casual scale. I do understand that a community vote on Kotaku is not equivalent to the fucking Oscars.

When the main purpose of a piece of entertainment is titillation, then it can hardly be considered good art. It's pandering to our most base instincts and desires. It's got a story? So what? The purpose of the story is to give context to the fucking and that's it.

While I'm not defending this specific game, I don't think your porn comparison is apt. I think its more akin to saying that the film Shame didn't deserve awards consideration because of the sexual content presented. Just because something contains sexual material does not mean it is instantly relegated to non-serious territory. For all I know, this specific game has a lot of well done writing and good character development. It shouldn't be written off just because of sexual material.

Unless the 2nd and 3rd games of the series somehow became exponentially better than the first, I doubt good writing, character development, and something more than the most bare-bones of an RPG system would not be something to ascribe to it. Hell, decent character art would not be something to ascribe to it.

How do I know this? Shut up.

#49 Edited by MB (11889 posts) -

@darji said:

@believer258: There are Eroge stories that will make cry...

Eroge games make me cry because it makes me think about the state of society today, and the people playing these games, and I weep for humanity.

I know some people like this stuff but just as you're free to enjoy it, I'm free to think you're fucking creepy.

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#50 Posted by Turambar (6638 posts) -

@theveteran13: it's just a fancy way of saying anime porn.

Eroge is specifically erotic games. It doesn't have to be a pornographic game where the chief purpose is titillation. Any game with some degree of sexual content would fall under that category.

Anime porn in general would just be "hentai".