KS project 'Kaiju' removed. DMCA claim by WoC.

#1 Edited by Branthog (7047 posts) - 2 months, 4 days ago

Wrote this earlier in the afternoon, but had an emergency, so just now posting.

Monster-fighter Kaiju Combat by Oregon's Sunstone Games successfully raised more than $112k in December, on their second attempt. Today, backers of the project received the following vague email from Kickstarter and I spoke with Sunstone Games to get to the bottom of this:

Hi there,

This is a message from Kickstarter Support. We're writing to inform you that a project you backed, Kaiju Combat - Giant Monsters. Awesome Fighting. Online., is the subject of an intellectual property dispute.

The law requires that we remove the project from public view until the process is complete or the dispute is resolved (please see our

Copyright and DMCA Policy

for more info). Because the project already ended successfully, your pledge hasn’t been affected. The creator should still be able to move forward with the project (and send any unfulfilled rewards). If you have any questions, though, you can still message the creator from the project page:

http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/14214732/kaiju-combat-giant-monsters-awesome-fighting-onlin

Thanks so much for your patience and cooperation,

Kickstarter

( Google cache of KS page: http://goo.gl/7qdn8 ).

Visiting the project URl on Kickstarter results in a page containing only the statement that Kaiju Combat "is the subject of an intellectual property dispute and is currently unavailable".

Having experience with the DMCA since its origination, I'm familiar with its requirements. One of those is that authorized agents of the copyright owner provide direct URLs of each offending piece of content, such as an actual image file. If the complaint was over just a piece of art or music used on the project's page, surely only that would be removed; not the entire project. Removing the entire project interrupts a lot of things, such as the facilitation of communication between the project leader and the backers via the 'Updates' section and the communication between backers in the 'Comments' section.

Interested in the nature of the DMCA complaint, I contacted Kickstarter and Sunstone Games for details. According to Sunstone, Wizards of the Coast have been pushing them for months to shut down Kaiju Combat, because of a trademark complaint, where they believe Kaiju Combat conflicts with their existing card game, Kaijudo, and is too similar.

I'm not very familiar with Kaijudo, but I do know that Kaiju is a common word that means strange beast or monster and you generally can't trademark common words. This would explain why Woc named their game Kaijudo. Because they knew that if they named theirs Kaiju, they'd have a hard time preventing other people from naming their games Kaiju. In other words, it would seem self-evident to me that the very reason they invented a word for the name of their game is the same reason they may not have any footing in complaining about Kaiju Combat. (And, yes, I know you can trademark common words. However, they require special circumstances. For instance, Apple can claim a trademark to do business under that identifier in the context of consumer technology products, but not if they were in the business of actually selling fruit.)

Sunstone Games further stated that Wizards of the Coast filed a similar complaint back in December, to which Sunstone's lawyer responded by pointing out that "Kaiju is an ordinary word, being used in its ordinary context" and, as with the Apple example above, could not be affected by trademark or copyright law.

They also posed the question as to whether Wizards of the Coast would respond with the same threat of legal action, when Guillermo del Toro's Pacific Rim comes out, featuring kaiju . . . by name.

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Note: I was given permission to relay the situation and the statement by Sunstone as I mentioned I would like to post about it in the forum here, if it wasn't talking out of school.

#2 Posted by Video_Game_King (29342 posts) - 2 months, 4 days ago

At first, I thought this had something to do with Katawa Shoujo.

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#3 Posted by Hailinel (18138 posts) - 2 months, 4 days ago

At first, I thought this had something to do with Katawa Shoujo.

You apparently have no idea what Kaiju are.

#4 Posted by Pr1mus (2443 posts) - 2 months, 4 days ago

Never heard of Kaijudo before.

These frivolous copyrights lawsuit are getting tiresome.

#5 Posted by MariachiMacabre (5383 posts) - 2 months, 4 days ago

Stay classy, Wizards of the Coast.

#6 Posted by Video_Game_King (29342 posts) - 2 months, 4 days ago

@hailinel said:

@video_game_king said:

At first, I thought this had something to do with Katawa Shoujo.

You apparently have no idea what Kaiju are.

I assumed it was referring to Misha.

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#7 Posted by Hailinel (18138 posts) - 2 months, 4 days ago

@hailinel said:

@video_game_king said:

At first, I thought this had something to do with Katawa Shoujo.

You apparently have no idea what Kaiju are.

I assumed it was referring to Misha.

...Why?

#8 Posted by Video_Game_King (29342 posts) - 2 months, 4 days ago

@hailinel:

Because she's kinda chubby and kaiju are large Japanese monsters?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xECUrlnXCqk (For some reason, this specific video will not embed. Others work fine, but this one is not recognized.)

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#9 Posted by Ravenlight (7098 posts) - 2 months, 4 days ago

Because she's kinda chubby and kaiju are large Japanese monsters?

I was going to say that I have the strangest boner, but it's certainly not the strangest.

#10 Posted by TooWalrus (11834 posts) - 2 months, 4 days ago

@video_game_king said:

Because she's kinda chubby and kaiju are large Japanese monsters?

I was going to say that I have the strangest boner, but it's certainly not the strangest.

Consider the picture VGK put up in the "Post a picture of yourself" thread. I was worried shit would get weird between us, considering I saw him naked, took his virginity and left him a suicidal mess, but it all worked out.

#11 Edited by Video_Game_King (29342 posts) - 2 months, 4 days ago
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#12 Posted by TooWalrus (11834 posts) - 2 months, 4 days ago

@video_game_king: Hey, don't stand in the way of my fantasies and I'll embrace yours.

#13 Posted by Video_Game_King (29342 posts) - 2 months, 4 days ago

@toowalrus:

So you'd really want to fuck Misha and make her nearly kill herself? That's really weird, especially considering I can remember it all from both perspectives. SO WEIRD AND AWKWARD.

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#14 Edited by George_Hukas (1317 posts) - 2 months, 4 days ago

Wait, so let me get this straight, Kaijudo.. is trading card game targeted towards kids with an anime tv show counter-part about "Creature Tamers" who tame and fight with evolving monsters? Hmm.. seems original.

#15 Edited by Brodehouse (7140 posts) - 2 months, 4 days ago

I have nothing to say regarding this news (other than Wizards is in the wrong) but I appreciate how you approached it Branthog.

#16 Edited by TooWalrus (11834 posts) - 2 months, 4 days ago
#17 Posted by cmblasko (603 posts) - 2 months, 4 days ago

WoC are trash. Business as usual for them.

#18 Posted by TheHT (8151 posts) - 2 months, 4 days ago

Sounds like a shitty thing for Wizards to do.

Worse then the whole Trenched situation. Sorry Brad Muir.

#19 Posted by MariachiMacabre (5383 posts) - 2 months, 4 days ago

Wait, so let me get this straight, Kaijudo.. is trading card game targeted towards kids with an anime tv show counter-part about "Creature Tamers" who tame and fight with evolving monsters? Hmm.. seems original.

Oh that makes this whole situation even more fucked up. You're the worst, Wizard of the Coast. You're the worst.

#20 Edited by envane (1079 posts) - 2 months, 4 days ago

@video_game_king: how is she kinda chubby ... youve succumbed to anime standards tsk tsk ...

#21 Posted by Video_Game_King (29342 posts) - 2 months, 4 days ago

@envane:

I'm pretty sure she technically weighs the most, although I'm not gonna search out those stats. (I know they exist. I just don't want to search that stuff out.)

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#22 Edited by audioBusting (523 posts) - 2 months, 4 days ago

For a second there I thought Brad Muir's Kaiju Piledriver was Kickstart'd

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