#1 Posted by Vinchenzo (6192 posts) -

This small rant isn't really geared towards post rating specifically, but it's in the same boat. Here we have a great website with a lot of good users, and then the ones that sour everything beyond belief. Posts that are completely opinionated and backed-up often have a heavy amount of negatives. This leads to their constructive posts being inadvertently avoided by users who care to read. They can press a button to reveal the post but it's still disgraceful just to see what users do when given freedom. This is why we have rules, because people in general are genuine assholes (for lack of a better word).

Let me then go to my primary example, a Dead Space achievement guide I made. If you take a look, it's pretty well-made. Everything is explained and organized. Yet out of 20 ratings my average comes to 1 star... out of 5. Is this serious? I guess so. Surely there must be a better guide on this website, for Dead Space, that trumps mine? Oh, nevermind. All we have here is Chililili and Kingmasters achievement/trophy compilation with no explanation what-so-ever. All they made is a list of the achievements that could have been found anywhere and even on your system. Then again, when so much of Chililili's work is into copying and pasting, he'll average half-stars. Guess Kingmaster likes to do the same thing.

Let me divert the topic for a second, because my anger isn't at Chililili or Kingmaster. Rather, it's at what people do. There are people who contribute to a site, and then there are those who don't. Hopefully in the future, which I've heard they might be doing, is to take out the post ratings and replace it with a "report post." I'd also like to see more users contribute, but not everybody can I understand. Contributing doesn't have to be a big thing. If you see something you like that a user has done, rate them accordingly. Don't just use what they give, and close the page. When I look at my Fable II achievement guide and see a 5 star rating, it makes me feel like I've helped some people and I want to contribute more achievement guides.

That's all I really have to say, hopefully you found this a meaningful blog. Especially if you are in the same boat. Don't feel the need to rate my Dead Space guide, this was not to self-advertise.

#2 Posted by Gizmo (5389 posts) -

Dude, I just 5 starred it for you, now chill!

#3 Posted by Vinchenzo (6192 posts) -
Gizmo said:
"Dude, I just 5 starred it for you, now chill!"
Guess you didn't read the whole thing. Not a big deal.
#4 Posted by Gizmo (5389 posts) -

I skim-read it, looks like a well-made guide.

#5 Posted by Jayge_ (10222 posts) -

Shit happens. Trust me, I know where you're coming from in terms of having posts or guides raped into oblivion. Very much. According to the general higher-ups, last year was some kind of "implementation mode", this year should at least start off as bug-fixing mode. That's what I've heard. Here's to hoping.

#6 Posted by brukaoru (5079 posts) -

That guide definitely does not deserve a 1 out of 5, that's pretty ridiculous. I think it would better if people were forced to leave comments before they could rate it or something. It may not help the rating, but you would know who was doing it and if they honestly thought it was a poorly-constructed guide or if they were just being jerks.

#7 Posted by daniel_beck_90 (3159 posts) -

I gave your guide 4 stars since it is a great one

#8 Posted by TheGamerGeek (2498 posts) -

In-freaking-deed, my friend.  I'm sick and tired of people abusing the rating system, I could say so much more, but you pretty much said it above. But I will say, although the "Trophy/achievement list" things are not hard at all, they can be time consuming. But still, nothing compared to writing an achievement guide or walkthrough.

#9 Posted by Lies (3866 posts) -

I think the guide-rating tools are borked, the same way the game review averages don't display correctly. I've run into the same problems with some of my guides- as you probably saw, since you linked my guides page :P I'd like to be optimistic and say it's not assholes but rather a broken system here, but I could be wrong.

The post rating system is going to be removed at some point, according to the staff. But then again, we heard that quite a while ago and nothing's happened since :| So yeah, it's kinda annoying, but don't let it ruin your experience.

#10 Posted by RHCPfan24 (8609 posts) -

Sometimes the rating system with stars here is a little wonky so I would guess that is the problem. I don't think people just came to your guide and gave it 1 star for no reason.

#11 Posted by jakob187 (21642 posts) -

I think, first off, that you need to take a chill pill, Vinchenzo, as you can not be definite that people are rating your guide low.

1.  At least people have rated your guide.  lol
2.  Lies is right.  The ratings system is still bugged, so you could be easily getting higher star ratings.  Flipping out may very well be unnecessary.
3.  Ratings, in general, suck...because people will always be jerk-offs.  You can't help it.  Somewhere, inside of everyone, there is that general idea that they are being the cool kid...and they aren't...but to them they are...so it's broken.

My World at War guide has no ratings whatsoever, but when I look at the amount of times it's been viewed versus how much time people spend looking at it per view, then that makes me realize that I did my job well.  People could neg bomb the fuck out of it, but I know damn well that someone is getting close to that 1k because I helped out a little bit.  You should feel the same way too...because ya know...you helped get me to 830 on Dead Space already, fool!!!

And just so you know, I had 4-starred that guide a while back.
#12 Posted by LightYagami245 (1117 posts) -

I do not know about that since I do not make guides, but I must say that would suck, but if you help someone by making it, then it shouldn't matter.

#13 Posted by Bellum (2944 posts) -

I miss the threads where people criticizing the rating system got a million down votes. :( Has everyone lost their sense of irony?

#14 Posted by Keeng (998 posts) -

I've only used guides twice on this site and they were two guides for the same game. I rated them both because clearly people put a lot of work into them. It's cool that you support this feature because it's one that could be really helpful to people looking for info on a game. And I'll be sure to use your Dead Space achievement guide to get the Trophies in it whenever I stop playing Resistance 2.

#15 Posted by Godwind (2597 posts) -

I am not too fond with the idea of a ratings system.

1)  How does one express opinions numerical?  Perhaps if the scoring system was designed to be technical.  However, most people are not that technical and don't have the patience to learn it properly.

2) The majority of human civilization is not very intelligent.  People think opinions are just as good as evaluation.

3) Some people will give a full 5 stars due to fanboyism.  I am not even talking about "The console wars LULZ"...exclusively, I am talking about things like Naruto, Bleach and other main stream bullshit.  If someone wants to get a good score do the following,  "Dead Space guide, in loving dedication of Naruto-san."  It lets people acknowledge you as a Naruto fan (even if you are not) and the "san" lets people know you are hardcore otaku (even if you are not).  Then they will be all over your review and say "This guide is ultra super mega collossus sonic hyper turbo speed to the nth power cool", as if they were trying to name the next Street Fighter 2 game.