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#1 Posted by banishedsoul1 (294 posts) -

Here is a huge wall of texts that is very interesting. URL here http://dualpixels.com/2012/11/29/rumor-behind-the-scenes-with-first-party-hardware-and-third-party-softwear-next-gen/

– All three major players are going to play very aggressive hard ball starting in Summer 2013 right before E3. Both Sony and Microsoft are attempting to court in developers to next gen engines in attempt to starve Nintendo and mobile developers. However Nintendo is banking on the argument that the other two jumped too soon to upgrade, with only the top-tier of the triple A studios such as Infinity Ward, Crystal Dynamics, ect only having next-gen level technology with most being stuck on very advanced Unreal Engine 3 level tech.

– Nintendo is hoping to play it’s cards right with new hardware add ons and a huge first party push next year where they will reveal games for both holiday 2013 and 2014, a total of 1/3rd of their internal development software. Nintendo has also been shopping around for third party developers where instead of buying them outright, either funds projects or their marketing/localization to make them exclusive or feature packed for Wii U or Nintendo 3DS. Expect more projects like Bayonetta 2 to be announced next year including a partnership that will cause huge shocks when it’s announced even worse than Bayonetta 2. My sources do not think it’s the wildly talked about Devil’s Third being a Wii U exclusive because most people have been buzzing about that and Nintendo is “keeping it extremely close to it’s chest”.

– Nintendo’s core first party line up for E3 will be the next 3D Mario game that will be out by Holiday 2013, a next Zelda adventure for the Nintendo 3DS, a double dose of Kirby with the return of Tilt ‘n Tumble for Wii U and Kirby’s Pop Up Pannick for Nintendo 3DS, a new HD Yoshi’s Island game, Donkey Kong Land Returns for Nintendo 3DS, new Fatal Frame for Wii U, the new Retro Studios title which may or may not make Holiday 2013 and two new IPs.

– There was a pitch at Retro Studios for a new Metroid game that I have no idea if was scrapped or if it was made into a full game. I do know the pitch was an FPA like the Prime games and it took in between Other M and Fusion. It was suppose to deal with an entire planet that in a conflict between the good guys and the Space Pirates caused a fracture in time that allowed half of the dead planet to come back to life including the dead Chozoo colony. It was suppose to deal with the mystery of the Chozoo, Samus upbringing and that the Chozoo were more war like than imagined. It was also suppose to feature Wii Motion Plus control along with two player co-op with the new Chozoo partner on the gamepad, allowing more crazy exploration and puzzle solving. Being isolated, together was the theme. Multiplayer is also planned. Besides working on that internal next-gen engine for Wii U and a smaller team for Donkey Kong Land Returns, we know that some of the pitches included an entirely new IP based around the GamePad, a revival of Raven Blade and a reboot of Mach Rider.

– Mainline 3DS Pokemon game needs roughly two more years before it’s released. Uses a full 3D engine and will have a story dealing with a world wide crisis. A new Pokemon type will be introduced (has not been done since Gold and Silver) and while not as many new Pokemon as in past gens older Pokemon will get new abilities and forms. Will maximize the Nintendo 3DS use of 3D, StreetPass and online connectivity. The first NFC game for Wii U will be a next gen Battrio game coming out in all regions.

– Sony is near the middle end part of their Project Orbis, their next generation PS4. It will not be called Playstation 4, teams have started to call the final name as Omni. Omni will reflect their new hardware and content delivery philosophy. Omni will be “very capable” of doing modern day graphics compared to a Direct X 11 level of technology like Unreal Engine 4 and Frostbite 2. Compared to Wii U, it is better, but not the biggest leap in the world according to developer friends of mine. The key is the Omniviewer, a thin, lite and slick head mounted autosteroptic display that can track the users head and presents a 360 image view with semi transparent AMOLED screens. This can turn any TV into a 3D TV, as well as add extra augmented reality information outside of the TV screen. One application from an entertainment perspective seeing movies in 2k, 4k or IMAX resolutions as their original size where you have to move your head to look at the full picture being displayed. Can also synch with the Vita. The new controllers whether it’s the Duo-Moves or the Classic DuoShock will have pulse sensors in the grips for biofeedback gameplay. Plans are a Basic Unit with 160 gigs and just the system with controller at $350-$399 and one with the Omniviewer and a pack-in game for $450-$499. Aims are for a September 2013 launch.

– Omni is also part of their philosophy with the new OmniCloud, the new version of Gakai [Gaitai Spelling Error Fixed]. This service will not only cloud stream PS1, PS2 and select PS3 games to Playstation Certified devices but will also allow every digital and retail purchase to have access to a copy on the cloud. Basically, you buy one game, you can use it on any Plyastation device. Direct hardware Backwards Compatibility will be available by a $70 – $99 dongle that is plugged into the Omni that contains a PS3 on a chip with Cell to run games.

– Known first party games in development for Playstation Omni are: Next Gen Uncharted, Next Gen Siren, The Boydguard, Wipeout Omni, Bump In the Night, Killzone 4, Gran Turismo Prologue, Next Gen Media Molecule, Omni Fitness.

– Microsoft is the most vague out of all of them. It’s slated to be the most powerful out of all the next gen consoles about 4 to 6 times more powerful than Wii U and 2 to 3 times more powerful than Playstation Omni. The project has gone through many name iterations and will not be decided on until shortly before it’s E3 unveiling. Microsoft is also running into manufacturing issues and developers not having games done on time so instead of delaying the launch to Summer 2014, they are thinking of “soft launching” it Holiday November 2013 and then have a full blow out in the summer. All units will come with Kinect 2 built in which can track up to four people, all objects in the living room, clothing, face structure and fingers. It can also understand different voices and has its own PPU. In 2014, Microsoft will introduce the “LiveWall”, a omni-projection unit that will allow game environments to be projected nearly 360 degrees around the user. Using Kinect 2, they have two demos of one that is a battlefield RTS and one that is a kung fu game with guys attacking all around. The LiveWall can also project different images on the wall, so people can play different games on different walls. Microsoft is prepared to champion this unit as a cheaper and more effective alternative to wearing a “goofy stupid VR headset” to combat Sony’s Omniviewer while Sony is going to point out the low resolution quality and the lack of privacy. The system is going to be very expensive in the $499 range so Microsoft is planning on using a remolded X-Box Live (Possibly renamed X-Box Life) to offer a Pro (Gold) subscription two or three-year contract to sell the unit at $300 – $399. The final goal with the tech is to shrink the system on a chip down enough so it can be put into tablets, PCs and Smart TVs so that all devices are X-Box ready.

– Known first party XBox Next games: Halo Trilogy Remake, Chief Samurai by Rare, Project Gotham Racing, Kinectimals 2, Rise, Carnival Park, Fable 4

– Ni-Oh is being completely remade from the ground up in Unreal Engine 4 exclusive for PlayStation Omni. A special Dynasty Warriors 8 will be released on Wii U and Vita, while a special Dead or Alive 5 will be release on Wii U and Playstation Omni later in 2013. Team Ninja also plans on making a side-scrolling remake of the NES Ninja Gaiden game for Wii U eShop, PSN and XBLA.

– Capcom is going to bring a voice command/dynamic slash version of Monster Hunter to the new X-Box. Ninja Theory is also pitching Capcom an Onimusha sequel for Wii U/Omni/XBoxNext as a “Ookami with guts”. Ono after looking at Platinum Game’s relationship is investigating a similar deal with Nintendo to publish Darkstalkers 4: Rebirth as a Wii U exclusive since Capcom is still reluctant to finance it. Sengoku Basara will get current and next gen re-releases at the launch of Next Gen systems. Capcom is also working with Splash Damage to make a new IP FPS for next gen consoles. A special edition of Resident Evil 6 called “Final Hope” will be release with bug & gameplay fixes, new sequel sinario DLC with one involving Claire, modes, asymetrical gamepad play, off TV gamepad play and an HD port of Resident Evil: Revelations. The next Resident Evil Operation game is in the works for PS3, 360, Wii U, Vita and Omni called Terrestrial Fear.

– Square Enix is preparing to bring biofeedback zombie hunting game Judecca to the Omni at launch. Agni Philosophy tech will be shown off as a unique IP game that will be out for Omni/XBoxNext in 2014. Crystal Dynamics plans to resurrect the Legacy of Kain franchise in 2014 built with the Unreal 4 engine. Sleeping Dogs will get an internally made sequel made with an updated engine on Wii U/360/PS3/Vita. Lord of Vermilion for Wii U is planned to use NFC cards. GunSlinger Stratos is planning to come to Wii U and Omni, with the possibility of an XBox Next release.

– Namco-Bandai is working with Sakurai to get a fully working demo at E3 for Smash Bros. Sakurai really took to heart the complaints about the single player game and the online game. He is solving this by making the single player very deep this time done by the Tales series people and is planning to have a Network Beta of the game for download the day of Nintendo’s E3 show. This way they can beta test online for about one year before they ship the game. Star Trek will come out with it’s movie version for Wii U/PS3/360 and have a special version with post movie game content for Omni at launch. Soul Master, a weapon based spin off of the Soul Calibur series for Kinect 2 is being made as well as a special edition of Soul Calibur 5 for Wii U and Omni. Pac-Man VS is planned to be brought over to Wii U eShop and Ouya. Dragon Ball ZENKAI Battle Royale is also looking to being ported over to Wii U and PS3. New IPs are being developers by smaller teams for Wii U, Omni and X-Box Next.

– EA is working with Playground Games with guidance from Chriterion to make an open world racing franchise in the vein of Diddy Kong Racing as their answer to Activision’s Skylanders series. Aimed at older kids and teenagers, NFC enabled cars and performance enhancers will be scannable and will intergrate Origin and social functions like Facebook, Twitter and the like. Will be release on all platforms current (Wii, 360, PS3), handheld (3DS, Vita, iOS NFC, Android NFC, Windows Phone 8) and Next Gen (Wii U, Omni, X-Box Next, Ouya). EA while limiting the budget will also bring Pulse and Battlefield 4 to the Wii U. Three new IPs for Wii U, Omni and X-Box Next are also being developed on.

– Activison has two teams working on Modern Warfare 4 with Infinity Ward making the Omni/Nextbox version a launch title using (or similar tech to) Unreal Engine 4 and Treyarch working on Wii U/360/PS3/Ouya editions. The Bungie IP will be at E3 2013 even though it won’t release that year and will be hugely ambitious, revealing that the game engine that is so scalable it works on mobile all the way to souped up PCs. It will feature an open world, third person adventure shooting MMO-like game where the players mainly drive and create their own stories, factions and missions with in the game world, a true sand box. This world will be cheap to free to enter and will have it’s building blocks microtranactioned to gain profit.

#2 Edited by DeeGee (2119 posts) -

I love how this guy has intimate secret knowledge of ten different companies. If you're gonna try and make it believable, stick to one and pretend you're an anonymous executive leaking info to the press. This just makes him look like a James Bond-esque super spy or like, the leader of a rebel group that has secretly infiltrated companies around the globe.

#3 Posted by iAmJohn (6114 posts) -

Here is what stuck out to me in all this:

  1. Who the fuck is Dual Pixels?
  2. Oh my god please let that Devil's Third rumor be true.
  3. That Playground Games rumor is odd, but hey, good for them if true. Forza Horizon was awesome and they deserve all manners of success.
  4. GOD DAMN FUCKING RIGHT DOWNLOADABLE PAC MAN VS. FOR ESHOP.
  5. An internally done Sleeping Dogs sequel is kind of fucked up. What does that mean for United Front?
  6. Publishers need to stop acting like the Ouya will ever exist.

But of course, this is all probably just bullshit and doesn't mean anything because who the fuck is Dual Pixels?

#4 Posted by banishedsoul1 (294 posts) -

@DeeGee said:

I love how this guy has intimate secret knowledge of ten different companies. If you're gonna try and make it believable, sick to one and pretend you're an anonymous executive leaking info to the press. This just makes him look like a James Bond-esque super spy or like, the leader of a rebel group that has secretly infiltrated companies around the globe.

he's been right before but you never know.

#5 Posted by MaFoLu (1858 posts) -
@DeeGee: Which would be awesome
But yeah, probably a lot of not-quite-true-at-all information here.
#6 Posted by Jeff (3479 posts) -

Without getting into any real detail there are enough incorrect things in here for me to say that this whole thing looks like garbage.

Staff
#7 Posted by Brendan (7734 posts) -

This reminds me of 2004/early 2005. There was a lot of bonkers sounding stuff that didn't end up being entirely true.

#8 Posted by Jams (2960 posts) -

The Omni(ps4) and the new Xbox sound like balls to the wall, go for broke concept ideas where only a fraction of what's listed will actually make it to the final product.

#9 Posted by TromboneTony (156 posts) -
@Jeff

Without getting into any real detail there are enough incorrect things in here for me to say that this whole thing looks like garbage.

You can go into real detail Jeff, I'm cool with it.
#10 Posted by believer258 (11776 posts) -

This is like Fox News for video games.

#11 Posted by Mr_Skeleton (5140 posts) -

@TromboneTony said:

@Jeff

Without getting into any real detail there are enough incorrect things in here for me to say that this whole thing looks like garbage.

You can go into real detail Jeff, I'm cool with it.

Probably not without screwing some people who he was having casual conversations off the record.

#12 Posted by Phatmac (5725 posts) -

I don't believe any of this.

#13 Posted by TromboneTony (156 posts) -
@Mr_Skeleton

@TromboneTony said:

@Jeff

Without getting into any real detail there are enough incorrect things in here for me to say that this whole thing looks like garbage.

You can go into real detail Jeff, I'm cool with it.

Probably not without screwing some people who he was having casual conversations off the record.

Sarcasm missed, dude ;)
#14 Posted by mordukai (7149 posts) -

@Jeff said:

Without getting into any real detail there are enough incorrect things in here for me to say that this whole thing looks like garbage.

The I guess it's time to...

#15 Posted by Bob_Loblaw (110 posts) -

Producing that head mounted omni-viewer stuff with amoled screens would be a technological leap from what is available now not to mention prohibitively expensive but apparently you're going to get that and biofeedback controllers for...... $500....Right, sure you are.

This reads like someone's train of thought fantasy wish list and nothing else.

#16 Posted by mordukai (7149 posts) -

@believer258 said:

This is like Fox News for video games.

More like Fox News parodying The Onion. Or is it the way around. They confuse me sometimes.

#17 Posted by deano546 (182 posts) -

A $99 dollar dongle which would give the Orbis PS3 bc? I'm no expert but that sounds crazy (and impossible) to me.

#18 Posted by banishedsoul1 (294 posts) -

@Bob_Loblaw said:

Producing that head mounted omni-viewer stuff with amoled screens would be a technological leap from what is available now not to mention prohibitively expensive but apparently you're going to get that and biofeedback controllers for...... $500....Right, sure you are.

This reads like someone's train of thought fantasy wish list and nothing else.

amoleds are pretty cheap on a small size. But yeah i don't know if they will do it. I know they already have a head mounted display now but its 700$. Next gen could be pretty innovative.

#19 Posted by xyzygy (9939 posts) -

The only thing that could make me believe any of this is true... is that that's a LOT of shit to make up.

#20 Posted by jdh5153 (1034 posts) -

Go 720! Kick some ass!

#21 Posted by That1BlackGuy (217 posts) -

Not saying this isn't true as it may well be however I have a lot of liberties with a lot of stuff on this list, if his direction was a bit more condensed and focused I'd give him the benefit of a doubt.

#22 Posted by TheHBK (5471 posts) -

That whole AR and pack in stuff sound so fucking stupid it can't be true. And the prices? Yeah, I would like to see that considering the Xbox launched at 399, 8 years when this shit launches, I doubt they will have so much more in the box for just 500 bucks.

#23 Posted by FreakAche (2951 posts) -

I want to believe that Nintendo stuff, but this all seems pretty unfounded. Where's he even getting all of this?

#24 Posted by TheHT (11102 posts) -

Some of that shit sounds bonkers.

#25 Posted by onarum (2064 posts) -

@Brendan said:

This reminds me of 2004/early 2005. There was a lot of bonkers sounding stuff that didn't end up being entirely true.

Yep.. I remember reading fierce discussions from very bright people that truly believed the wii would have a freaking 3d projector built in...

#26 Posted by AhmadMetallic (18955 posts) -

All I can say is, I honestly wish and hope that the new generation of consoles will bring a new and fresh age of gameplay innovation and new ways for narrative to unfold.

I'd really hate it if the next generation sucks the dick of Mass Effect's cutscenes and Modern Warfare's shooting galleries dry. That'd be a sad era of gaming :(

#27 Posted by MildMolasses (3218 posts) -

@AhmadMetallic said:

I'd really hate it if the next generation sucks the dick of Mass Effect's cutscenes

If every conversation in every game resulted in the NPC abruptly walking out of the scene to the right, that would be awesome.

Honestly, I didn't read past the first point. If Nintendo is banking on an 8-year wait for new hardware (for Microsoft at least) being "too soon," then either the people at Nintendo are very dumb, or the people making up these rumours are very dumb. I'm going with the latter

#28 Posted by Sackmanjones (4682 posts) -

Rumors are great

#29 Posted by BeachThunder (11806 posts) -

I heard a rumor that Microsoft and Sony will team up with apple and make a console that's made entirely out of magical pastries

source: internet

#30 Posted by Colourful_Hippie (4337 posts) -

Well that was a funny read. Despite this being fake next year is going to be really exciting.

#31 Posted by Draugen (636 posts) -

Meh... I'll stick with my PC.

#32 Posted by BigBoss1911 (2430 posts) -

I can't read all of this.

#33 Posted by vikingdeath1 (947 posts) -

The future is Now.

#34 Posted by banishedsoul1 (294 posts) -

@Draugen said:

Meh... I'll stick with my PC.

enjoy your blue screen jk

#35 Posted by JJOR64 (18942 posts) -

Some crazy rumors there. Not sure about the Darkstalkers one though. If it is a Wii U exclusive, it will die fast like TvC did.

#36 Posted by Yanngc33 (4496 posts) -

I love my rumor bullshit with a little zest of spelling and grammar mistakes. Makes the bullshit that much more believable.

#37 Posted by banishedsoul1 (294 posts) -

@Yanngc33 said:

I love my rumor bullshit with a little zest of spelling and grammar mistakes. Makes the bullshit that much more believable.

Spelling and grammar alone does not prove anything.

#38 Posted by Rokkaku (222 posts) -

You've made me sad by having me read some great features that will never come to fruition. Augmented imaging technology? Biosensors? I wish even a grain of this was true, but having details like PGR being in there, when Studio Liverpool is long since shuttered, robs this of any credibility. I really, really hope I'm proved wrong though. Having your sniper scope affected IN REAL TIME by your OWN HEARTBEAT would be incredible, and would finally get me excited about CoD again.

#39 Posted by BigBoss1911 (2430 posts) -

I call bullshit on xbox 3 being 2 to 3 times more powerful than ps4.

#40 Posted by RPGee (759 posts) -

Does this just go to show that a whole bunch of people are absolute suckers? That anyone who clicked through to that link is pretty thrilled for any sort of announcement on the new hardware, even if it is just rumours, and that they can make any sort of bold prediction (even outlandish predictions) and drag so many people's attention?

We're all just sheep now! Oh God.

Anyway, I came to see what was wrong with the predictions, and am now a sheep too. Turns out a lot of this looks like crap. Baa.

#41 Posted by BaneFireLord (2918 posts) -

"The key is the Omniviewer, a thin, lite and slick head mounted autosteroptic display that can track the users head and presents a 360 image view with semi transparent AMOLED screens. This can turn any TV into a 3D TV, as well as add extra augmented reality information outside of the TV screen." 
 
I lol'd.

#42 Posted by JordanaRama (177 posts) -

Currently the only things I'm really interested in next-gen wise is seeing what the next Uncharted will be like, seeing if Nintendo will actually do something new and different (IP-wise) this generation and Bungie's thing. I usually don't give a damn about Bungie, MMOs or things of the like but for some reason what little bit of it I've seen makes me really really curious.

Those rumors are cool and all but only a chunk of it will probably come true. Some of it does make sense. But we'll see I guess.

#43 Posted by Bollard (5400 posts) -
Project Gotham Racing

Yeah, no.

#44 Posted by Hunter5024 (5601 posts) -

I sincerely hope they just call it the Playstation 4. Do brands really need a dozen crazy sub brands? Just come on.

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#45 Posted by Grimluck343 (1149 posts) -

@TromboneTony said:

@Jeff

Without getting into any real detail there are enough incorrect things in here for me to say that this whole thing looks like garbage.

You can go into real detail Jeff, I'm cool with it.

You have my approval as well. Don't be shy.

#46 Posted by BisonHero (6407 posts) -
@DeeGee

I love how this guy has intimate secret knowledge of ten different companies. If you're gonna try and make it believable, stick to one and pretend you're an anonymous executive leaking info to the press. This just makes him look like a James Bond-esque super spy or like, the leader of a rebel group that has secretly infiltrated companies around the globe.

Pretty much this. Only a handful of large gaming sites/publications could possibly have this many anonymous inside sources, and even then that would be expecting them to divulge a lot. This is coming from...some guy? And aside from that, these rumours are laughably unlikely because every company is miraculously doing crazy new things, instead of the same old bullshit. All the console stuff sounds like it would be way too advanced to be economical while the developer side just throws out WAY too many new ideas for a console launch.
#47 Edited by GaspoweR (2941 posts) -

@Jeff said:

Without getting into any real detail there are enough incorrect things in here for me to say that this whole thing looks like garbage.

Well, that got debunked pretty fast

EDIT: I also half-expected Jeff to use the term "hot" right before "garbage".

#48 Posted by theveej (824 posts) -

@Jeff said:

Without getting into any real detail there are enough incorrect things in here for me to say that this whole thing looks like garbage.

when do you think we'll start hearing concrete information about next gen consoles? Before or after March 2013?

#49 Posted by big_jon (5723 posts) -

Why would they remake the Halo trilogy after just doing CEA?

#50 Posted by Fattony12000 (7270 posts) -

I PREDICT NEW SHIT.