New Zune Hardware Confirmed, Will Connect To Xbox
If you're on the iPod wagon, why should you care? Heck, why should 95% of the world care? I'm excited as a software developer because the XNA platform is absurdly easy to code for and this will give me a new toy. I'm also glad they're keeping the HD Radio receiver in it.
WilliamRLBaker said: Lind_L_Taylor said: lordofultima said: Looks sick, but if it's less than 60 gigs then I'm of course not ... [more]
1.Zune hooks up via usb to 360, much like the ipod i use it as an external harddrive for my movies, pictures and music i can play on my 360 and through my surround sound system probably in better quality then your ""stereo"" As well its easy to take it portable just unplug it....
2.Mp3s last generation? well first off mp3s have been around for a long long time and are still the prefered format for all most all music downloadable online, Mp3 destroys nearlly all other formats.
2.1 http://www.zune.net/en-us/support/usersguide/musicvideospictures/avcodecsandformats.htm
*just a note the ipod doesn't support any more codecs then the zune and infact much like the zune has a braindead incompability, Zune isn't under the plays for sure line of windows that mp3 players support, Ipod doesn't support quicktime...an apple codec lol.*
3.No you said Mr softy, instead of being intelegent and using Microsoft or MS you called Mr.Softy, Unlike you i didn't use imatture childish names to try adding some sort of weight to my argument.
4.Yep 2nd place in Mp3 player sales and scores is pretty nice, I mean zune went from none existance to number 2 quite quickly with good marketing and enough fuck ups by apple zune may become #1 one day, being number 2 does not detract from a products quality only its popularity.
*just on another side note since you consider Mp3 ancient its funny how ipod falls under the line of MP3 players lol*
Lind_L_Taylor said: WilliamRLBaker said: Lind_L_Taylor said: lordofultima said: Looks sick, but if it's less than 60 gigs then I'm of ... [more]
1. "360 through surround sound is better than my stereo"...Are you serious? You haven't seen my stereo. Go take a look in my profile. I'm sure it lays waste to your "system"..if you want to call it that... LOL.
2. "Mp3s around a long long time & destroys other formats"...Hello McFly?!!? The AAC format is the NEXT GENERATION of the MP3 format! It's taken MP3 & improved on it & given it greater quality, more fields, etc. iTunes & AAC conversion is free to all. I'm surprised you don't use Mr. Softy's WEEMA format since you're so gung-ho on everything Softy. MP3 is craptakular. iTunes supports just about any format via its plug-in system. I can use it to play Ogg files without any issues. However, since AAC is next-generation MP3, already improving on the format & adding more to it, I'm just going to go with that. If I want lossless, Apple's lossless is fine.
3. Well if calling a company by its financial slang, Mr. Softy (or Mr. Softee), adds weight to my argument, then I think I should use it. I also call Sony, Sorny & Nintendo, Ninty. AutoZone is AutoBone & so on. There is no company left out of my impromptu name changes...Apple? LOL..that's too easy so I'll leave that one alone.
4. When doing a simple price check on Amazon right now, the Zune 120G is $252 whereas the iPod Classic 120G is $225. So much for Apple costing more than Mr. Softee! I guess you like paying more for second place & when we're talking second place, it's not like Sorny's PS3 behind the 360, it's more like the difference between a Lexus & a Dae Woo. One of the things that attracted me most to iPod is the massive amount of accessories from companies far & wide, from high quality & low, across an entire spectrum parts & accessories that you can get or do with your iPod. Zune don't have it.
@Lind_L_Taylor: There's the smug superiority characterizes Apple products and consumers!If you're on the iPod wagon, why should you care? Heck, ... [more]
I care because it entertains me. :) Smug superiority? LOL. If you sat down & weighed the options as I have years ago, it's pretty much obvious where the better tools are located. Hell, Apple gives you free development tools. I'm interested in seeing if the Zune becomes a portable gaming platform in the future, right now it isn't...that could be 3 years down the road. Plus, you'll need to pay your $99 a year or whatever it is to share your games over XBL, or whatever it is.
Your posts are chock full of half truths which expose your strange biases. Why do you feel the need to spread B.S. Like that.
P.S. My Zune 30 is full of Games and Apps created by the growing XNA community and none of them cost me or anyone else a single penny to use or share.
P.P.S. Get a clue. Neither Apple nor Microsoft are the Be all and end all company. They both have their +/-s but neither of us sees any of their money so why should you or any of us care so much?
Lind_L_TaylorYour posts are chock full of half truths which expose your strange biases. Why do you feel the need to ... [more]
cspiffo said: Lind_L_TaylorYour posts are chock full of half truths which expose your strange biases. Why do you feel the ... [more]
One could say the same thing about the Ipod Touch. The point is that the Zune and particularly the Zune HD is a lot closer to the Ipod and touch in terms of capabilities than you are leading people to believe.
Case in point. "The AAC format is the NEXT GENERATION of the MP3 format!"...Yeah, the Zune plays those too, along with native FLAC, and OGG support. No plug in needed here. Roll that up and smoke it.
Also if you had done a proper simple search you would have noticed that a 120 GB Red Zune was selling for $218 at amazon which puts it in line with the in price.
Enough with your half truths already.
Will definitely be getting this i just broke my Zune, so i had to dust of my old 30GB ipod i got free with my macbook. The synergy between this and my 360 is gonna be awesome.
lordofultima said: Looks sick, but if it's less than 60 gigs then I'm of course not interested. I don't see ... [more]
WilliamRLBaker said: Lind_L_Taylor said: WilliamRLBaker said: Lind_L_Taylor said: lordofultima said: Looks sick, but if it's less than 60 gigs then ... [more]
jhosaphat said: I've got to say, the HD Radio is actually pretty attractive. It's the one thing iPods don't have, ... [more]
Jayge_ said: Jensonb said: Zune huh? Yes, I'd like to Microsoft money for a less capable version of a device ... [more]
WilliamRLBaker said: Lind_L_Taylor said: WilliamRLBaker said: Lind_L_Taylor said: lordofultima said: Looks sick, but if it's less than 60 gigs then ... [more]
1.my tvs better and bigger thus ensuring i have better speakers on it.
1.2 I don't see any thing better with your stereo then my surround sound setup...Especially in the case of zunes or ipods since neither supports high surround sound channels that i know of.
*that any music is encoded in that is, movies will have this.*
2.except its not mp3s next generation its made by Apple last i checked and itunes and quicktime are shitty obstrusive programs, ACC adds nothing to MP3 that isn't there or is needed by the general consumer, which is why 99% of music online is in mp3 and not AAC. *note: aac is developed by nokia, sony, bell...ect*
3. Calling a company a slang term only shows one thing your stupidity and your general disrespect and fanboyism towards said company, it adds no weight to any conversation.
4.LOL 120 gig ipod classic....um how about new ipods and such? Let alone that a 120 gig ipod classic doesn't have near the options or features as the Zune 120 gig You can find the ipod classic for more and less as well as the zune 120 gig for more or less. go to your local wal-mart, bestbuy...ect the price is not competitive to the casual consumer who doesn't dredge amazon for deals.
4.1 you were attracted to the ipod by USELESS accessories you had to purchase after the fact I've seen ipod accessories some of the most useless looking shitty made by companies id never heard of products lol In just now! a black less then a quater lb hello kitty ipod dock! LOL
5.I just noticed somehting, Ipod doesn't sell alot because its actually good, but becasue droving fans of mac faithful purchase multiple versions and every new version, the ipod classic you talk about the first review admits he has a freaking 160 gig ipod classic, and looked at the 120 gig while he was purchasing a nano and touch! thats 3 fucking ipods i wonder if he owns more?
6.just to touch on price again, i just surfed amazon and found 120 gig zune for... *drum roll* 229 dollars and a 120gig red one for 218 dollars lol
Jensonb said: Jayge_ said: Jensonb said: Zune huh? Yes, I'd like to Microsoft money for a less capable version of ... [more]
- In no way addresses my point
- Makes (Incorrect) assumptions about how different people evaluate the quality of a particular product
- Loads the question such a manner as to attempt to deliberately force a non-answer, or a partially incorrect one which you would then complain about.
Jayge_ said: Jensonb said: Jayge_ said: Jensonb said: Zune huh? Yes, I'd like to Microsoft money for a less capable ... [more]
1.What personal music player do you use?
2.What makes it better then zune?
then again when it comes down to it why did you even post in the thread in the first place, infact your post is very very trollish from what i see, You don't own a zune, and have no intention of owning a Zune you own a competing product an Apple product likely you just came in simply to say, why should i purchase an inferior product when i all ready own a superior one.
It added nothing to the conversation in the least.
Jayge_ said: Jensonb said: Jayge_ said: Jensonb said: Zune huh? Yes, I'd like to Microsoft money for a less capable ... [more]
Lind_L_Taylor said: cspiffo said: Lind_L_TaylorYour posts are chock full of half truths which expose your strange biases.  Why do you ... [more]
"Over the course of 6 months, I have owned three 8GB and one 120GB Zunes. Each one lasted about 2 months (though one lasted only a week), then refused to power up and/or reset. I took good care of each and didn't drop or otherwise bang up any of them. I used the Zune wall charger to recharge them. I scoured the web to find solutions for the problem, and found many users who had the same problem - though the usual solution of performing a reset did not work for me. Luckily, the store that I bought them from would allow me to exchange the units when they went unresponsive."
"The Zune software flat out stinks. It doesn't let you edit ID3 tags either on your computer or on the device - it doesn't feature an equalizer function so if you don't like the way your music sounds - too bad. The software for you PC must be downloaded online (no CD) - and it's slow, unpredictable, and not friendly at all. If something you are trying to load or 'sync' fails - there's no reason reason given for the failure - it just doesn't do it - and then you're left trying to reason why - was it an unsupported Audio codec (it doesnt support MPEG-1 encoded MP3 files - an older but still prevalent codec), was it some type of DRM tag - what ??? - who knows far be it for Zune to tell you - it just doesn't do it. That really stinks and is a MAJOR frustration. Do I need to convert my Audio as well as my video ?? - what? - why? - take your best guess because the darn Zune sure won't tell you. "
"The software is so klugy and then stops syncing all together. Endless hours of troubleshooting. Don't take my word for it: go on-line to the Zune user's groups and read the hundreds of posts by frustrated owners who have tried to find ways to get their Zune to be recognized or sync. Forget Microsoft tech support. Another worthless exercise in frustration. My advice: Stay away from Zune."
So I went over to the Zune User's Group & found Dead Zune with no replies for this poor bastard's plea for help:
"My daughter installed the new updates last night and her Zune worked just fine. Tonight, she was able to enter in our wireless password and do whatever it allows you to do (I don't have a Zune so I really don't know but she was happy with the new features). Everything worked fine. She went back to turn it on about two hours later and it was dead. She charged it this morning so that seemed odd. She plugged it in to charge it again and nothing happened. We left it charging for a little while and still nothing. Zip, nada.......totally blank screen. Any clue what may have happened or more importantly, how to fix it? Thanks!"
What a piece o' crap!! You can wait 5-6 months for your Zune HD. I'll be enjoying my iPod until then & then probably another 2 months after Zune HD is released, we'll start hearing about the breakdowns...LOL.
cspiffo said: Lind_L_Taylor said: cspiffo said: Lind_L_TaylorYour posts are chock full of half truths which expose your strange biases.  Why ... [more]
Jensonb said: Jayge_ said: Jensonb said: Jayge_ said: Jensonb said: Zune huh? Yes, I'd like to Microsoft money for a ... [more]
Your question is loaded because you did not ask "What device is superior?". You couldn't possibly have been asking that anyway, because I already said. No, instead, you asked a question with an in-built feature expectation ("High capacity"), not actually relevant to my dismissal of the zune HD whose presence there limits to number of adequate answers.
Jayge, you're perceptions about how judgments are amde appear to be based solely on the idea that you get to argue with anyone you choose. It is absolutely not necessary to now the exact specifications of the zune HD to know that for me, it is inferior to the iPod touch/iPhone platform. Zunes do not work with Macs, the screen is smaller, it uses Internet Explorer, it doesn't have the Apps I've already bought on it and more. I don't ned to know any more Jayge, it is inferior for my purposes. I notice you've started blethering on about success or failure. I never brought that up, but if you want to rant about it, go ahead.
Your assertion that "That's the only stance one could take currently" (Re: "I'm reserving my judgement until enough information is available") is absurdly arrogant. You do not get to decide what information is required for me to judge something's worth for myself Jayge. You have a habit of substituting your judgment for logic. Stop it.
No Jage, you are hurling bullshit. You are telling me I don't get to define what conditions a product has to emet to warrant my interest. As usual, you are assuming that only your viewpoint can possibly hold any logic and refusing to even entertain the idea that someone else might be able to make judgments on other or fewer criteria than you. I'm sure you're going to come back with some high and mighty bullshit about how my opinion is wrong (You've done it before) but I'm not interested. The zune HD does not meet my needs and I find it hard to recommend to many people I know personally (A couple though would love it) even at this stage.
You're perfectly free to go ahead and wait to see if it's any good, but the stuff they have already said (And shown - it's ugly as hell) has already put me off. I don't kow why that's so hard for you to understand, but I don't care either.
Do you refer to it as the Zune HD or the Zune? Most people are making the distinction at this ... [more]
I think I phrased the section about arguing incorrectly. Iw as not questioniong your right to argue, I was merely uggesting that you seem to be forming deliberately oppositional viewpoints (not in regards to opinion, rather in regards to methods of judgment). My bad.
As for the rest of that paragraph, the zune software is not available for Mac and I can't see Microsoft releasing it for OS X any time in the future, the fact that is an informed assumption does not detract from the point it makes the dvice less attractive to me. Likewise for Internet Explorer, which has never been a satisfactory browser, it is fair to assume it will be so again.
You are also mis-understanding my position. I am not attributing the same value to best-guess informed assumptions as to empirical differences, but that does not mean I ill nto consider them in making a decision. Even with complete features etc. a lot of judging what to buy is guesswork based on prior expereince. Lots of people don't buy iPods because one they had previously broke. That's about the same place I'm coming from with Internet Explorer ha never been good and likely will never be good.
At any rate, this alls eems to be coming down to semantics and any actual argument died a long time ago. I don't like it based on what they've said, you don't know yet because they haven't told you enough for you to make your judgment. We're different people in different situations, that is udnerstandable.
Do you refer to it as the Zune HD or the Zune? Most people are making the distinction at this ... [more]
Jayge_ said: Do you refer to it as the Zune HD or the Zune? Most people are making the distinction ... [more]
Lind_L_Taylor said: lordofultima said: Looks sick, but if it's less than 60 gigs then I'm of course not interested. I ... [more]
If I want to really & truly find out all the problems about the Zune, I don't have to listen to your pro-Mr. Softee diatribe, I can go over to the Zune User's Group & laugh at all the broke Zune problems that people have reported. Knock yourself out with inferior product. You deserve it.
Lind_L_Taylor said: WilliamRLBaker said: Lind_L_Taylor said: WilliamRLBaker said: Lind_L_Taylor said: lordofultima said: Looks sick, but if it's less than 60 ... [more]
I got iTunes, Safari, Quicktime, & Bonjour running on my Windows...And you're fucking telling me that Windows goddamn weekly security patches are not shitty "obstrusive" programs?!? Windows annoys perpetually with patches & I rarely get Apple bothering me to update iTunes! In fact, iTunes will tell you what day it plans to check for an update & it's usually at the end of the month.
It has already been proven that AAC generates better sound quality at better bitrates than MP3. AAC has been around for years & years. So why, now that you know this, want to suffer shitty sound quality based on knowing that you're using a shitty lossless format!?! Before I switched to the iPod, as you probably know, I used an iRiver & I ripped all my stuff to OGG format. Which was sounding better than MP3. However, after comparing the OGG rips at quality 9 to the AAC at 256kbps, I've found the AAC to sound more clear & crisp than OGG files. Obviously it sounds better than MP3 from the established facts about it. Can you use iTunes with your Zune? Or Zune HD? I guess you gotta wait til November/Xmas to find out whether the Zune HD is worth two shits. Meanwhile, I can already use the iPod & be happy TODAY, as opposed to holding out for the miracle device of the future!
And sure there are some useless accessories for the iPod. Didn't say there wasn't. But names like, oh I don't know, Kenwood, Wadia, Krell, just about every major player in the audio/video world has an iPod dock or supporting device of some sort. Extra battery life & tons of other features that all won't necessarily work with a Zune, perhaps via a cheesy audio input, thereby destroying your sound quality using Mr. Softee's "Poon". That's right, from here on out, I dub thee Poon (aka Zune)!
Obviously the Red Poon must be gay or something since the black version sells for $250 & you gotta pay less to get a red, Mabeline cover-girl, type of look for your Poon. Maybe you should buy another one to support the Mr. Softee Faithful?
Jayge_ said: Lind_L_Taylor said: lordofultima said: Looks sick, but if it's less than 60 gigs then I'm of course not ... [more]
Lind_L_Taylor said: Jayge_ said: Do you refer to it as the Zune HD or the Zune? Most people are making ... [more]
Lind_L_Taylor said: Jayge_ said: Lind_L_Taylor said: lordofultima said: Looks sick, but if it's less than 60 gigs then I'm of ... [more]
The hell you say, son. I still think the 360 is a great system & one of the best things Mr. Softy ever came out with. I still loathe the PS3, but it's mostly because the games that come out on the 360 are, in my opinion, better than Sorny. And I don't mind paying the XBL membership. I also subscribe to Netflix & enjoy watching movies/TV through it.
Your comments about me being a weird class of Troll sound flattering. LOL. I do stand by my positions. Xbox 360 has the game system wars beaten, at least for adult gamers. iPod has the portable media player wars beaten. These days, I strive to buy the best of breed in the market, rather than trying to be some kind of rebel that tediously goes against the grain..it's a waste of time when you could be using your brain for something better, than say hacking a PC to run OS X, there's no money in it & being a gamer, I don't have a ton of free time outside my hobby of playing games or with my Mac.
I disagree with your statement that nobody needs a portable music player. It is vital to a car stereo system. I don't want to carry 2000 cds with me in the car when I drive to work every day, or have to pick & choose CDs for the week. I take the whole thing in an iPod & then can pick & choose whatever I want to listen to. It's a space saver, while also sounding great. I've been making use of it at work a lot as well & after two days, the battery life still hasn't reached the half way mark. Cover flow is a great feature. I love seeing the album cover when I'm listening to a track. The wheel is taking time to get used to though, but I'll figure it out. Portable media players are essential. However, if you're going to the gym, I wouldn't advise using something like an iPod Classic, you need something small & cheap if you're going to risk sweat on it, such as an iPod Shuffle. I might get one just for that purpose.
I don't know who Thiago is, but I'm pretty sure I've already got him beat.
Jayge_ said: Lind_L_Taylor said: lordofultima said: Looks sick, but if it's less than 60 gigs then I'm of course not ... [more]
I'm just gonna ignore all the crap you've said and stick to one point.
You actually use power conditioning? lol wow do you live in a 500 year old house or something with copper filament ceramic connected wires? no one needs power conditioning even the highest end sound equipment for consumer use doesn't need it, For the consumer power conditioning is a useless extra that bestbuy employes try to make you think you need. Sounds to me someone at bestbuy tricked you into buying alot of useless crap that doesn't provide a wit of audio quality over stock components to non-sound studio work.
Itunes is obstrusive its a bitch to uninstaill as well as quicktime is a bitch to uninstall, and Id rather shoot my self then use safari on windows its a glitchy slow flawed product its like apply purposely made it shitty for its windows version over its mac version.
Weekly windows updates? odd the last update i had to install was Vista service pack 2 last night and that was the first update id had to download in over 2 weeks..
AAC is superior?
http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/lofiversion/index.php/t37077.html
Mp3 is a lossless format? no...Mp3 is a lossy encoding just like AAC is lossy, unless you mean http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=21139 but its not actually lossless.
I must now ask one thing...Are you stupid? I've said multiple times in this thread i own an 120 gig zune so what am i waiting for? I all ready own a zune.
and yet again your making your self look like a retard and trying to start a fight by using Mr softee and poon.
Infact I've figured it out, you don't actually know what your talking about, you just wanna argue, so I'm taking my self out of this.
P.S: lol cheesy audio input? lol yes because every thing audio has one on the planet it must work and be pretty good if they all use it.
Lind_L_Taylor said: Jayge_ said: Lind_L_Taylor said: lordofultima said: Looks sick, but if it's less than 60 gigs then I'm of ... [more]
I use XP & iTunes, Safari, & all that good shit can be installed & uninstalled easily & doesn't do anything to my system. You must have a slow PC, or maybe it's because Vista kinda sucks balls, which is why I never upgraded to it. I play with Vista Ultimate 64-bit in a virtual machine on my Mac sometimes. But it's a pain in the ass to do simple things, like update the hosts file, which is totally easy to do in OS X (just sudo -i & you can edit hosts in /etc/hosts using vi, yeah that's right, the kind of UNIX skills that people like me make a living knowing how to do).
MP3 is lossy. If I said lossless then that would be a typo but I guess you're too stupid to figure that out. Also, your link to hydrogen audio simply points to a .nl website which in fact explains that AAC files are better than MP3 files. So you prove my point. Thanks for AGREEING. Further, I use AAC 256kbps for my rips so I'm already getting a high quality sound. If I download some music, say an album from ambient.us it has 320kbps files & only for MP3s. I can live with that. As for anything in which I have the audio CD for, I would rather rip it to AAC. Might as well use the best that's out there.
As for the Audio Inputs for car stereos, home stereos, etc, are not that good. You're basically taking the DAC used for your headphones & the DAC from that is going into the the stereo system, which means the better DAC for the larger stereo system isn't being used. What you want is digital. In this case the Kenwood car stereo has a USB input for the iPod which will ensure a digital transference of the music leaving only the Kenwood to convert the digital to audio with its 24-bit dac. The quality is better this way. Don't know what the Poon has, I suppose it could hook into the Kenwood as well, but it doesn't have the same kind of features as the iPod would have, probably have a shittier visual display, etc.
I'll have to apologize to you since I seem to have went over your head. I know what the hell I'm talking about. I may not proof read these long posts however, which might leave a logic fragment or two somewhere..feel free to point it out & then I'll correct you & get you back on the path away from the Poon.
Lind_L_Taylor said: Jayge_ said: Lind_L_Taylor said: lordofultima said: Looks sick, but if it's less than 60 gigs then I'm of ... [more]
Maybe one day he will realize that these things he defends so vehemently are made by companies who really couldn't give a shit about him and just want his money.
I guess the one thing I can say is that each HD radio station will have multiple channels, so chances are you'd be able to find something on one of those to listen to. They can't all be playing the same thing at the same time. I don't listen to regular radio much either, but I might if the signal is always strong and clear. It's nice to have the option.
Jayge said: Lind_L_Taylor said: Jayge said: Lind_L_Taylor said: lordofultima said: Looks sick, but if it's less than 60 gigs then ... [more]
I'm holding out to see what Apple's answer will be to the Poon HD when it gets released at the end of the year.
@Lind_L_Taylor: I guess the one thing I can say is that each HD radio station will have multiple channels, so chances ... [more]
You should google for HD Radio stations in your area so you can find out in advance what it is you'll be listening to & whether any of it is worth your time.
Looks sick, but if it's less than 60 gigs then I'm of course not interested. I don't see why with ... [more]
@Jayge: Are you being sarcastic in some way? The iPod Classic has 120gb and a 38hr battery life. While I ... [more]
Alexander said: @Jayge: Are you being sarcastic in some way? The iPod Classic has 120gb and a 38hr battery life. ... [more]
Just to clarify: I have a Zune. I like it. The wifi capabilities leave something to be desired, but it's head and shoulder over the iPod of the same generation to be sure.
I do this it's awesome that I'm also still getting firmware updates with pretty major additions/fixes for my 1st gen 30 gigger. MS, in this area at least, has not disappointed.
Just to clarify: I have a Zune. I like it. The wifi capabilities leave something to be desired, but it's head and shoulder over the iPod of the same generation to be sure.
I do this it's awesome that I'm also still getting firmware updates with pretty major additions/fixes for my 1st gen 30 gigger. MS, in this area at least, has not disappointed.
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