Nintendo has won this generation well beyond console sales.
Nintendo have won this generation on Hardware sales, though in software there have a alot to catch up with as the number of quality tittles is lower than that of the PS3 and 360. I can see Nintendo having probelms with there next home Console. The casaul/family gamer will not feel the need to upgrade and at that point both Sony and Microsoft will have there motion techonolgies built in to there new system.
The core gamers have already turned on Nintendo and there fanbase of core games has grown smaller. Unless there start producing great 1st party games that appeal to the core gamer and gain the support of 3rd parties that make proper games for the Wii, they are going to have trouble convicing the core audience to take there next home Console serioulsy.
" Nintendo have won this generation on Hardware sales, though in software there have a alot to catch up with as the number of quality tittles is lower than that of the PS3 and 360. I can see Nintendo having probelms with there next home Console. The casaul/family gamer will not feel the need to upgrade and at that point both Sony and Microsoft will have there motion techonolgies built in to there new system.The core gamers have already turned on Nintendo and there fanbase of core games has grown smaller. Unless there start producing great 1st party games that appeal to the core gamer and gain the support of 3rd parties that make proper games for the Wii, they are going to have trouble convicing the core audience to take there next home Console serioulsy. "
Nintendo may have won the generation. But as a lifetime Nintendo fan, I ended up being so isolated I bought a Playstation console - something I never thought I'd do in the past. The results have very much shaped the type of gamer I am.
I know people like to rat on Sony, and that's fine, but for me, as a newcomer to the Playstation entirely, they've opened my eyes. I no longer see Nintendo as the chief innovater I once thought they were. They were on a pedestal in my eyes, but I'm starting to notice a lot of nuances elsewhere that show Nintendo in a different light.
Now don't get me wrong, I love Nintendo still. Their philosophy. Their games. I love it all. But ever since I practically was forced to buy a Playstation 3 because Nintendo just didn't satisfy my personal needs - they've moved down a notch. And in that time, Sony have just raised the bar time after time.
So for me, for my personal gaming tastes and how Sony have entirely converted me, Nintendo did not win this generation -- even if they did create the best game of it in Super Mario Galaxy.
It's just a gamecube with motion controls.
Everybody I know that has a Wii has like 4 games for it and they never play it.
Yeah, admittedly Nintendo won this generation for introducing the whole new trend and fad in motion control gaming that may see the day of light in the next gen or sometime in the future. Though their next console is of question. They might decide to stick closely to the Wii and see little need for change. *shrugs*
Wii HD anyone?
" Nintendo may have won the generation. But as a lifetime Nintendo fan, I ended up being so isolated I bought a Playstation console - something I never thought I'd do in the past. The results have very much shaped the type of gamer I am.I know people like to rat on Sony, and that's fine, but for me, as a newcomer to the Playstation entirely, they've opened my eyes. I no longer see Nintendo as the chief innovater I once thought they were. They were on a pedestal in my eyes, but I'm starting to notice a lot of nuances elsewhere that show Nintendo in a different light.Now don't get me wrong, I love Nintendo still. Their philosophy. Their games. I love it all. But ever since I practically was forced to buy a Playstation 3 because Nintendo just didn't satisfy my personal needs - they've moved down a notch. And in that time, Sony have just raised the bar time after time.So for me, for my personal gaming tastes and how Sony have entirely converted me, Nintendo did not win this generation -- even if they did create the best game of it in Super Mario Galaxy. "
It's won on sales but not on games imo.
" @oldschool: I agree that there will always be a core audience for Nintendo's classic franchises but the way things are going atm I cant see it being big enough to support there next console and Nintendo will have to make a choice of focusing more on the core auidence to win trust back or relaying even more heavly on the casual audience to keep them on top. "
So, buy some more games? Nobody can play 4 forever. Nintendo had most of the interesting actually playable games this E3 (both Wii and DS) and there's tons of already released games to play, stuff like Little King's Story which earned surprisingly fantastic scores across almost all publications. So, in short, keep that "no gaemz" bullshit to yourself. Feel free to remain an ignoramus, but at least don't spread it around.
" @Alex_Murphy: I can't help but agree I have exactly 4 games, and never play it.It's won on sales but not on games imo. "
It would be truly sad if this was in fact a fan service and you're not some extreme focus group teen hired by the marketing group hired by Nintendo for viral public relations.
As for Nintendo deserters being a myth we have the perfect example in this thread of Sammyb who I think represents a large amount of Nintendo's core auidence that has been forced to get there gaming from different consoles due to the Wii of not offering enough core games to warrent just having the Wii and no other console. And when it comes to the next generation of Consoles these fans could have seconds thought of buying whatever Nintendo bring out next and could just stick with Sony/microsoft.
I agree with most of the points you listed above. I certainly believe that Nintendo has charted a strong aspect of the direction of video games for years to come. Their innovative controls and personalized Miis are elements that we will see in gaming for quite some time. Also, Nintendo's pursuit of a wider audience than just the "core" has opened up new revenue streams to developers and manufacturers. In doing so, Nintendo has increased acceptance of video gaming as a not-just-for-dorks hobby. I believe these advancements will positively influence all levels of gaming, despite the lamentations of doomsayers. For all practical purposes, Nintendo has won this generation's race. But, for all the points you listed above, it doesn't end there for the competition. Nintendo's success has forced Microsoft and Sony to make advancements that they might have been reluctant to do. Also, it has forced them to envision better technologies and apply them to a wider demographic. The same thing happened last generation thanks to Microsoft's successful implementation of Xbox Live. No one is going to say that Microsoft invented online console play, but their success prompted Sony and even Nintendo to adopt some form of online contectivity. And, now Nintendo's success has urged thier competition to adapt in ways they might not have predicted. I think we are heading into a remarkable time for interative entertainment. I've been fortunate enough to see the history of video gaming unfold before my eyes. I cut my teeth on arcade machines in 1977 on the boardwalks of the Jersey shore, and have been following gaming's development since. Never before have I been filled with this much wonder and awe at what the possibilities are for the future. Don't listen to the cynics, this is a fantastic time to be a gamer.
"One last factor is the Nintendo Magic factor. They make great games and have brilliant and recognised characters."
Maybe so, but that's part of the reason I'm put of from Nintendo games, the characters are so recognised and sure they do sell, but I just get bored of the same old adventures, with the same characters, sure the games change style but to me most of them ultimately feel like the game.
" @oldschool: I cant see the casual auidence starting to replace Nintendo's fanbase. The casual auidence has no loyalty they will go to who ever has the best tech for them and with Mircosoft and Sony stepping on to Nintendo's turf with more advanced tech that will be incorparted in to there next systems which will eat in to Nintendo's domiance of the casual market.As for Nintendo deserters being a myth we have the perfect example in this thread of Sammyb who I think represents a large amount of Nintendo's core auidence that has been forced to get there gaming from different consoles due to the Wii of not offering enough core games to warrent just having the Wii and no offer console. And when it comes to the next generation of Consoles these fans could have seconds thought of buying whatever Nintendo bring out next and could just stick with Sony/microsoft. "
I adore my Wii that's for sure. I like my Xbox 360 and PC, but the Wii did something special for me. It gave me an aternative to my dual analog mouse driven games and I like deversity. I'm happy for Nintendo, they could have easily failed and went the way of Sega. Long live fun... long live games.
" It would be truly sad if this was in fact a fan service and you're not some extreme focus group teen hired by the marketing group hired by Nintendo for viral public relations. "
" Nintendo didn't win my gaming generation this time around, Microsoft did. "
" @oldschool: I cant see the casual auidence starting to replace Nintendo's fanbase. The casual auidence has no loyalty they will go to who ever has the best tech for them and with Mircosoft and Sony stepping on to Nintendo's turf with more advanced tech that will be incorparted in to there next systems which will eat in to Nintendo's domiance of the casual market.As for Nintendo deserters being a myth we have the perfect example in this thread of Sammyb who I think represents a large amount of Nintendo's core auidence that has been forced to get there gaming from different consoles due to the Wii of not offering enough core games to warrent just having the Wii and no other console. And when it comes to the next generation of Consoles these fans could have seconds thought of buying whatever Nintendo bring out next and could just stick with Sony/microsoft. "
The console wars has basically gone down to which console has the most sales... and yes, Nintendo has essentially won and will likely retain their lead. Plus, now Sony and Microsoft are trying to jump on the motion control bandwagon wtih Natal and the ball-on-a-stick and that's obviously a reaction to Nintendo's success with that technology.
Now of course if you ask your typical hardcore gamer who won, they would probably say Microsoft because those are the types of games they like, but that's more of an individual opinion on who won in your minds. From an industry standpoint, Nintendo won. Like it or not, that's happened.
" I agree with most of the points you listed above. I certainly believe that Nintendo has charted a strong aspect of the direction of video games for years to come. Their innovative controls and personalized Miis are elements that we will see in gaming for quite some time. Also, Nintendo's pursuit of a wider audience than just the "core" has opened up new revenue streams to developers and manufacturers. In doing so, Nintendo has increased acceptance of video gaming as a not-just-for-dorks hobby. I believe these advancements will positively influence all levels of gaming, despite the lamentations of doomsayers. For all practical purposes, Nintendo has won this generation's race. But, for all the points you listed above, it doesn't end there for the competition. Nintendo's success has forced Microsoft and Sony to make advancements that they might have been reluctant to do. Also, it has forced them to envision better technologies and apply them to a wider demographic. The same thing happened last generation thanks to Microsoft's successful implementation of Xbox Live. No one is going to say that Microsoft invented online console play, but their success prompted Sony and even Nintendo to adopt some form of online contectivity. And, now Nintendo's success has urged thier competition to adapt in ways they might not have predicted. I think we are heading into a remarkable time for interative entertainment. I've been fortunate enough to see the history of video gaming unfold before my eyes. I cut my teeth on arcade machines in 1977 on the boardwalks of the Jersey shore, and have been following gaming's development since. Never before have I been filled with this much wonder and awe at what the possibilities are for the future. Don't listen to the cynics, this is a fantastic time to be a gamer. "
It shows the value and absolutely critical nature of needing a strong and innovative 3rd player in the market. Without Nintendo, Microsoft and Sony would cause the games market to wither and die on the vine.It is foolish of some to wish upon Nintendo its death. They fail to realise the value the competition brings to the marketplace. They should be thanking Nintendo and wishing them success even id there games fail to interest them. I would be happy if Sega were still a viable player in the market.
Many of oldschool's points are salient (if not original), but what he fails to appreciate is how the concept of 'winning and losing' a generation is obsolete. The Wii's blue ocean strategy created a new customer base rather than attempting to cannibalize a competitor's customer base. The market moved from zero-sum to non-zero-sum. In a non-zero sum game, there may be multiple winners and losers.
I don't agree with you, but I will not bother to argue because you have made your opinion about how awesome you think Nintendo is painfully clear, and if I use the "doesn't have many good games" argument you or Al3xand3r will be more than willing to show me a list of obscure 3rd party titles that I have never heard of to prove your point. I got tired of debating after an unfortunate PM exchange around the subject of video game boobs. So please continue with whatever kind of ire you are trying to inspire in this topic.
You've never heard of titles that have been reviewed favorably by tons of online publications that aren't small and obscure enough to not show up on metacritic? Wow. Expand your horizons, they sound very, very limited currently. Giant Bomb isn't the only place with gaming coverage, and if it's all you follow, OF COURSE you won't have heard of the Wii games. Narrow-minded ignoramuses like yourself not knowing of them doesn't make them obscure. Even if it was so, it's a lame argument and equivalent to covering your ears and going all LALALA I CAN'T HEAR SO I'M RIGHT.
Um, I like all the systems? And am generally just a fan of games. You know, I play what sounds fun and/or interesting regardless of some arbitrary competition which will all be reset in a few years anyways.
" I don't agree with you, but I will not bother to argue because you have made your opinion about how awesome you think Nintendo is painfully clear, and if I use the "doesn't have many good games" argument you or Al3xand3r will be more than willing to show me a list of obscure 3rd party titles that I have never heard of to prove your point. I got tired of debating after an unfortunate PM exchange around the subject of video game boobs. So please continue with whatever kind of ire you are trying to inspire in this topic. "
" Many of your oldschool's points are salient (if not original), but what he fails to appreciate is how the concept of 'winning and losing' a generation is obsolete. The Wii's blue ocean strategy created a new customer base rather than attempting to cannibalize a competitor's customer base. The market moved from zero-sum to non-zero-sum. In a non-zero sum game, there may be multiple winners and losers. "
" Nintendo=EPIC FAIL "
" It's threads like this that really make me hate Nintendo. "
" Um, I like all the systems? And am generally just a fan of games. You know, I play what sounds fun and/or interesting regardless of some arbitrary competition which will all be reset in a few years anyways.So, uh, what line do I get in?"
"@CronoXtream said:Now there's a compelling argument." Nintendo=EPIC FAIL "Anyway this blog isn't always agreeable but it has a point: Nintendo did something right that other companies are trying to emulate, and it won this generation ("winning" meaning sales and profit) handily. The interesting question is whether or not they'll retain their lead."
They dragged in a ton of gullible people. To me it's still a gimmick and I'm dissapointed in Sony and Microsoft for not seeing that. While we can't avoid the fact it sells systems (at least the Wii), that doesn't mean the implementation was successful. Almost the entire Wii collection might use motion control, but to no real extent. Waggle the controller? No thanks. If anything Nintendo had amazing timing for the weight-loss games. Everybody wants to lose weight and Nintendo is releasing all the right stuff. Even I sort of want my Wii back to try EA Active.
" They dragged in a ton of gullible people. To me it's still a gimmick and I'm dissapointed in Sony and Microsoft for not seeing that. While we can't avoid the fact it sells systems (at least the Wii), that doesn't mean the implementation was successful. Almost the entire Wii collection might use motion control, but to no real extent. Waggle the controller? No thanks. If anything Nintendo had amazing timing for the weight-loss games. Everybody wants to lose weight and Nintendo is releasing all the right stuff. Even I sort of want my Wii back to try EA Active. "
"@HandsomeDead said:Why? Does their success bother you that much?" It's threads like this that really make me hate Nintendo. "@CrossTheAtlantic said:And so am I. It is the most sensible place to reside. We are in the same line, so we can chat there :-)" Um, I like all the systems? And am generally just a fan of games. You know, I play what sounds fun and/or interesting regardless of some arbitrary competition which will all be reset in a few years anyways.So, uh, what line do I get in?"However, not everyone can afford all 3 systems, so choices will be made. The ones who argue the most are usually those he feel they have to justify their decision (not always). I also enjoy my iMac for PC gaming and truly love the DS the most of all consoles. They all offer strengths. The blog isn't about that though. It is about the impact Nintendo have had on the market and its competitors as displayed at E3."
Sorry, I really didn't clarify on this one.
I'm not going to sit here and argue numbers. Obviously at this point Nintendo has enough money to start their own fucking country. They are ultra rich, this I can't argue.
Its not that the console doesn't have any good games, but direction it has taken, the incredible amount of shovelware it's put out... It just seems like this isn't a console for me at all.
I think you'll find people of a similar opinion who love video games and love Nintendo.
They may have won in terms of profits, but they haven't won me over, I'm sure the same is also true for more than just a few of us.
" This is the kind of Shit Post that made me leave gamespot an other shitty forums.. where the hell are the moderators?! , this is clearly a provocation to irrational fanboysm.. "
"The first real game I got for the console was Zelda. I was stunned at how natural it felt. Controlling was an extension of y arm."
I'm sorry, I love my Wii, and it has some great games on it. But this is complete bullshit. It feels anything but natural, and it a literal replacement for simply pressing a button. If the game were built ground up for the Wii, it would have been different, but all they did for TP was replace a button press with a waggle, and it doesn't even have to be a remotely precise waggle either.
I'm sorry, I just can't take anybody who considers Twilight Princess' combat controls 'natural' seriously.
There is still plenty of profit to be made by all, and given the global recession, I don't tink it prudent to think about te next generation of consoles just yet, Sony and MS have said they have no plans for a new console, and Nintendo have absolutely no reason to build another yet, it would only lose them customers that they have gained with the Wii. It's the gamer in you wanting another upgrade, the casual market the Wii has swept up in the nets by the tonne on the other hand do not look kindly on having to upgrade. Yet, weirdly, they'll buy peripherals by the bucket load.
Let's try some basic analogy: trying to compare the Wii to the 360/PS3 is like trying to stage a hotdog eating contest between Michael Phelps and Lance Armstrong.
"@oldschool said:It has nothing to do with their success, it's your attitude. In fact, if it's anything to do with Nintendo's success, it's that their success breeds insufferable sycophants who can see the light where the rest of us can't and won't shut up about it. ""@HandsomeDead said:Why? Does their success bother you that much?" It's threads like this that really make me hate Nintendo. "@CrossTheAtlantic said:And so am I. It is the most sensible place to reside. We are in the same line, so we can chat there :-)" Um, I like all the systems? And am generally just a fan of games. You know, I play what sounds fun and/or interesting regardless of some arbitrary competition which will all be reset in a few years anyways.So, uh, what line do I get in?"However, not everyone can afford all 3 systems, so choices will be made. The ones who argue the most are usually those he feel they have to justify their decision (not always). I also enjoy my iMac for PC gaming and truly love the DS the most of all consoles. They all offer strengths. The blog isn't about that though. It is about the impact Nintendo have had on the market and its competitors as displayed at E3."
" @oldschool: Sorry, I really didn't clarify on this one.I'm not going to sit here and argue numbers. Obviously at this point Nintendo has enough money to start their own fucking country at this point. They are ultra rich, this I can't argue.Its not that the console doesn't have any good games, but direction it has taken, the incredible amount of shovelware it's put out... It just seems like this isn't a console for me at all. I think you'll find people of a similar opinion who love video games and love Nintendo.They may have won in terms of profits, but they haven't won me over, I'm sure the same is also true for more than just a few of us. "
"@DonPixel said:Really? So an analytical dissection of the current state of the console marketplace is fanboyism is it?" This is the kind of Shit Post that made me leave gamespot an other shitty forums.. where the hell are the moderators?! , this is clearly a provocation to irrational fanboysm.. "Here's a challenge for you. Find anything in the OP, or anywhere else I have posted on this thread, that criticises Sony or Microsoft other than accepting the reality that they have followed Nintendo. Get back to me when you find it."
Give me a break.. you said something that has being said like a zillion times allready.. plus you made your post so damm anoying with all those ridicoulous over statments speaking of truth you are clearly not giving a chance for discussion, that`s provocation. Discussion starts with an open mind and a disposition to hear other "truths" and negotiate them...
There`s no much point to discuss with someone who comes with "enlighted truth" ... that would be like trying to argue with a Nazi or a Religious Fanatic.. what`s the point ? would they lissen...? nooooo
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