Conan O'Brien plays Tomb Raider.
Patrick wouldn't like this at all.
Incidentally, that river death was brutal, I cringed every single time.
I am sure I have said it before, but things like that are absolutely unnecessary and only serve to humiliate the player for making a split second mistake. Failing a QTE and having to watch my character be brutally murdered or trial and erroring my way down a river where any mistake means I have to watch an extended clip of my character getting their head impaled and struggling to remove it before falling limp does nothing to improve how I feel about playing your game. All it does is hold my face down in the mud and say "look at this, you made a mistake, watch them suffer, you deserve this." It has never once contributed positively to any video game experience.
/rantrantrant
That ending was hilarious.
They're still making this game with a focus on Lara as an object of desire; I am not shocked.
Yes she has a cleavage and a slim fit body that makes her an object of desire, yup exactly.
@officegamer: Am I wrong?
@artemesia: I agree with you 100%. Stuff like that always really bothered me about certain games.
I'll give Patrick the benefit of the doubt.
Ha, I was thinking the same thing when I first saw the video. Conan's not wrong, though. For as much of a gritty, semi-realistic reboot that this is, Lara is still plenty sexualised and could still be characterised as a 'pinup video game character'.
Watch out, or Officegamer might agree with you, sarcastically.
This is the same guy whom I believe condemned that Cyberpunk announcement trailer as being sexist after all. It was during the Anarchy Reigns TNT I think?
It was during the "I Love Mondays" after the trailer was released. I totally forgot about that. (To be fair, Ryan also said it was sexist.)
Oh come on. All you People claiming that this game is all about masturbating to Lara, just give it up. You are being ridiculous. If everything Lara says, does, sounds and acts like in this game had been done by a man, you wouldn't hear a peep about all this objectifying nonsense. Lara is a woman, if a woman gets impaled by a log through her neck or breaks her legs, you can be damned sure she's going to moan about it just as much as a man would. Finally, aren't the people noticing all this crap really the ones (if any) who are objectifying her? Enough already, I for one am hyped for this game.
Oh come on guys, does she need to be wearing a turtleneck sweater to not be viewed as an object of desire? It's a female character, she needs to resemble a female. Sometimes I just think some gamers are too immature to handle women in video games. When I played Grand Theft Auto or Uncharted I wasn't spinning the camera around to check out Drakes ass all the time and I don't think a lot of female gamers were either. At a certain point it's as important what the player brings to the table as what the game does. If you want to play a game like this spinning the camera around gawking at polygon breasts and butt that's really on you, not the developer.
Oh no, someone's making fun of a games questionable game and character design.
He also made fun of old people, his bearded companion, and himself for being a pervert. I don't watch his show very often, but I do think Conan's pretty a pretty funny guy... and that Tomb Raider looks great.
@funkydupe said:
@officegamer: Am I wrong?
You're not wrong Walter you're just an asshole!
Lara falling off heights and crashing into spikes is... Kind of a series tradition. This is just the problem with more photorealism. When she ragdolls all crazy it's fun video games time. When she gets stuck real brutal now it's serious business.
Also sexualized? You people won't be happy until women are wearing burkas.
@officegamer: What?
Oh come on. All you People claiming that this game is all about masturbating to Lara, just give it up. You are being ridiculous. If everything Lara says, does, sounds and acts like in this game had been done by a man, you wouldn't hear a peep about all this objectifying nonsense. Lara is a woman, if a woman gets impaled by a log through her neck or breaks her legs, you can be damned sure she's going to moan about it just as much as a man would. Finally, aren't the people noticing all this crap really the ones (if any) who are objectifying her? Enough already, I for one am hyped for this game.
Way to blow your top. Lara is sexualised just as much as, say, Nathan Drake for the most obvious example, edit: and Nathan Drake is still a rugged, handsome, sexy kinda fella -- hey, as a hetero guy I ain't 'fraid to admit it!. And I'm not criticisingthe fact that Lara still has mega-cleavage or wears pants that show off her well sculpted derrière. If anything I'm just pointing out the slight hypocrisy many people have about lampooning how insanely sexualised classic Lara was when this new iteration is still wearing a low cut top--and will apparently continue to wear it during freezing temperatures--and still manages to look pretty good despite all of the hardships she goes through. She gets all dirty and stuff, but then that could also only add to her sex appeal in some cases.
This is specifically why I loathe opening my mouth in such topics, because there's always going to be someone who takes something said in the wrong way and then everything blows up and the world is doomed as we know it.
That outfit ain't practical, I'll grant Conan that much. The titty shots and tight pants are going to get their run in some media circles, you can bank on it.. but more "shocking" is the river death and some of Lara's "finisher" kills I saw on the GT review. Brutal as hell, almost unnecessarily so.
@funkydupe said:
@officegamer: What?
So just being a woman is too sexy for you guys?
This.
That outfit ain't practical, I'll grant Conan that much. The titty shots and tight pants are going to get their run in some media circles, you can bank on it.. but more "shocking" is the river death and some of Lara's "finisher" kills I saw on the GT review. Brutal as hell, almost unnecessarily so.
I kinda like the nasty death animations. Well, maybe ''like'' is the wrong way to put it, but I feel that they at least fit. Considering that this is supposed to be a sorta/kinda survival game, making the world feel grim, makeshift and downright cruel only adds to the atmosphere. I've said this before, but summing it up I think Tomb Raider basically resembles what an Uncharted game mixed in with the brutality from The Last of Us would look like.
@artemesia: I wonder if you would think the same if it was a guy.
Oh come on. All you People claiming that this game is all about masturbating to Lara, just give it up. You are being ridiculous. If everything Lara says, does, sounds and acts like in this game had been done by a man, you wouldn't hear a peep about all this objectifying nonsense. Lara is a woman, if a woman gets impaled by a log through her neck or breaks her legs, you can be damned sure she's going to moan about it just as much as a man would. Finally, aren't the people noticing all this crap really the ones (if any) who are objectifying her? Enough already, I for one am hyped for this game.
Way to blow your top. Lara is sexualised just as much as, say, Nathan Drake for the most obvious example, edit: and Nathan Drake is still a rugged, handsome, sexy kinda fella -- hey, as a hetero guy I ain't 'fraid to admit it!. And I'm not criticisingthe fact that Lara still has mega-cleavage or wears pants that show off her well sculpted derrière. If anything I'm just pointing out the slight hypocrisy many people have about how insanely sexualised classic Lara was when this new iteration is still wearing a low cut top--and will apparently continue to wear it during freezing temperatures--and still manages to look pretty good despite all of the hardships she goes through. She gets all dirty and stuff, but then that could also only add to her sex appeal in some cases.
This is specifically why I loathe opening my mouth in such topics, because there's always going to be someone who takes something said in the wrong way and then everything blows up and the world is doomed as we know it.
Right, but have you ever heard anyone complaining about him being just that? I mean prior to all the comparisons between him and Lara. I sure haven't. She doesn't have mega-cleavage, ok, she does, but not unrealistically mega. As for her clothing, I haven't played the game but from what I've seen, it doesn't look like she brought her wardrobe, and it looks like wherever she gets stranded crashes doesn't just have the optimal clothing laying around. Sure she gets dirty, doesn't Drake? Wouldn't anyone, regardless of gender in her situation? Also, the world is doomed with or without Lara's cleavage.
Never had a problem with the sexualization. That river death though made me cringe every single time. It's weird how if this were any other game I'm willing to bet that it wouldn't show your character just limping there waiting to die like it does in Tomb Raider. I get the developers want you to feel Lara pain, but it can be a bit much.
@artemesia: I wonder if you would think the same if it was a guy.
Cute. I hated it in RE4/5, I hated it in Dead Space, I hated it in The Witcher 2. It can really, really ruin a play session for me. It's the same thing as enemies taunting you when you die or elaborate game over screens that rub in the fact that you screwed up(looking at you, Arkham Asylum/City), only needlessly violent.
@brnk: I haven't seen anyone mention Patrick beyond the thread starter. So your beef is with him. I don't see why he had to mention Patrick either.
If anything, it is the rest of us taking flack for having an opinion that is on edge with what the women here feel about it. As long as I can say what my own opinion is, I will, even if that means taking a series of hits for doing so.
@guiseppe: The game is doing well in reviews so I think you can stay hyped regardless of this stuff. :) The main character is an attractive woman and there'll always be different opinions on whether what is in the game is there to play on that fact, or not.
Oh, I'll stay hyped alright, nothing can take that away from me. I just think all this other stuff is ridiculous :).
Oh come on. All you People claiming that this game is all about masturbating to Lara, just give it up. You are being ridiculous. If everything Lara says, does, sounds and acts like in this game had been done by a man, you wouldn't hear a peep about all this objectifying nonsense. Lara is a woman, if a woman gets impaled by a log through her neck or breaks her legs, you can be damned sure she's going to moan about it just as much as a man would. Finally, aren't the people noticing all this crap really the ones (if any) who are objectifying her? Enough already, I for one am hyped for this game.
Way to blow your top. Lara is sexualised just as much as, say, Nathan Drake for the most obvious example, edit: and Nathan Drake is still a rugged, handsome, sexy kinda fella -- hey, as a hetero guy I ain't 'fraid to admit it!. And I'm not criticisingthe fact that Lara still has mega-cleavage or wears pants that show off her well sculpted derrière. If anything I'm just pointing out the slight hypocrisy many people have about how insanely sexualised classic Lara was when this new iteration is still wearing a low cut top--and will apparently continue to wear it during freezing temperatures--and still manages to look pretty good despite all of the hardships she goes through. She gets all dirty and stuff, but then that could also only add to her sex appeal in some cases.
This is specifically why I loathe opening my mouth in such topics, because there's always going to be someone who takes something said in the wrong way and then everything blows up and the world is doomed as we know it.
Right, but have you ever heard anyone complaining about him being just that? I mean prior to all the comparisons between him and Lara. I sure haven't. She doesn't have mega-cleavage, ok, she does, but not unrealistically mega. As for her clothing, I haven't played the game but from what I've seen, it doesn't look like she brought her wardrobe, and it looks like wherever she gets stranded crashes doesn't just have the optimal clothing laying around. Sure she gets dirty, doesn't Drake? Wouldn't anyone, regardless of gender in her situation? Also, the world is doomed with or without Lara's cleavage.
But who's complaining?? That's what has gotten me frustrated, because as this thread's gone on everybody's dog-piling against criticisms in this thread that don't exist. I'm only speaking for myself here, though, but my original comment was purely observational.
@psylah said:
So just being a woman is too sexy for you guys?
This.
Yup, this. I think it was more Conan's inferences than the games, the only thing that 'shocked' me was that brutal head spike at the end, ouch.
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