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#1 Edited by sthusby (382 posts) -

http://www.strategyinformer.com/news/16924/molyneux-is-call-of-duty-really-it-then-just-shift-me-off-to-the-mental-asylum-now

You just gotta love this man. Even though some people claim he speaks to passionatly about his games, I've always enjoyed both his work and his interviews. And he's spot on in that article. As Klepek would say, it's worth reading.

Sidebar: Had a gamedraught the other day, so I decided to play one of my favorite games this generation, namely Fable 2. And I just have to say, that game holds up really well! It has gorgeous artistic vision, fantastic gameplay, and is just plain fun! That game alone should be enough to declare this man a gaming god. Just a shame Fable 3 ruined so much of what makes a Fable game tick.

#2 Posted by Video_Game_King (36107 posts) -

Am I the only person who likes Fable III better than its predecessor?

#3 Posted by Bwast (1342 posts) -

@Video_Game_King said:

Am I the only person who likes Fable III better than its predecessor?

How many times do I have to read a variation of that question? Am I the only one sick of it?!

#4 Edited by sthusby (382 posts) -

@Bwast said:

@Video_Game_King said:

Am I the only person who likes Fable III better than its predecessor?

How many times do I have to read a variation of that question? Am I the only one sick of it?!

Am I the only one who wants to stay on topid?

#5 Posted by Dagbiker (6939 posts) -

I hated Fable 2.

Also i agree with Mlxnue, I got board of FPS's a couple of years ago, i own 3 FPS'. Call of Duty 4, Deus EX, and Metal of Honor.

#6 Posted by Eaxis (899 posts) -

Best thing from Peter Molyneux in a while.

#7 Posted by Bwast (1342 posts) -

@sthusby: Jacking threads makes me feel alive.

It's a pretty inconsequential interview. Three quotes saying the most obvious stuff in the world. Games should innovate, not imitate.

#8 Posted by NTM (7286 posts) -

He's right to care for the gamer's needs and I understand his concern, but he's not correct in saying we need Kinect.

#9 Edited by DeeGee (2116 posts) -

@Bwast said:

Jacking off makes me feel alive.

I fixed your post for you.

#10 Posted by Dagbiker (6939 posts) -

@DeeGee said:

@Bwast said:

Misquoting posts makes me feel alive.

I fixed your post for you.

I fixed your post for you.

#11 Posted by sanchopanza (247 posts) -

@NTM said:

He's right to care for the gamer's needs and I understand his concern, but he's not correct in saying we need Kinect.

Yep, I have one and it is a pile of crap.

#12 Posted by Nasar7 (2610 posts) -

Holds up really well? Fable II came out like yesterday.

#13 Edited by xyzygy (9899 posts) -

I actually really like Molyneux. I realize that what he wants his games to be like in his "vision" can end up turning out different but that's not his fault. He can't code and create the art and mechanics and do everything for a game all by himself. If he could, that would be one hell of a game that took forever to make.

Even during the creation of Fable: The Journey he was knocking Kinect. He has since taken it back, but most likely due to pressure from Microsoft. I believe his stance is now something like "I can't imagine developing on something other than Kinect", but what else can you say when your major investor and boss created the Kinect.

Regardless, I'm really looking forward to the future of what Lionhead brings, I love Fable and I think Heroes could be really great. The videos so far seem to depict a very simplistic game but they're obviously very early.

And I agree with you, Fable 2 is such a great game. I also loved Fable 3, but I don't think it holds the same spot as 2 for me. I thought the first game was the weakest in the series.

#14 Posted by drag (1223 posts) -

Take a viewpoint your audience will most likely agree with and then use it to try and sell them something made by the company that pays your wages.

#15 Posted by AlisterCat (5489 posts) -

@Video_Game_King said:

Am I the only person who likes Fable III better than its predecessor?

Never, ever, ever.

That said, I really enjoyed Fable 3 a lot. Probably a lot more than two, so I am right there with you. I think Brad, Jeff and Vinny had their experiences soured by the way the ending plays out but it was a completely non issue for me. I had racked up insane amounts of gold before the end. I really enjoyed the art (post processing gave it a huge edge over Fable 2) and felt much bigger in scope.

#16 Posted by sthusby (382 posts) -

@AlisterCat said:

@Video_Game_King said:

Am I the only person who likes Fable III better than its predecessor?

Never, ever, ever.

That said, I really enjoyed Fable 3 a lot. Probably a lot more than two, so I am right there with you. I think Brad, Jeff and Vinny had their experiences soured by the way the ending plays out but it was a completely non issue for me. I had racked up insane amounts of gold before the end. I really enjoyed the art (post processing gave it a huge edge over Fable 2) and felt much bigger in scope.

It just lacked the soul from Fable 2. Try going to Bower Lake or Oakfield and watch the sunset, or spend a night in Bowerstone Old Town or Bloodstone! It just feels so alive, and so endearing. It's hard not to love a game that loves you so much in return. The opening sequence of Fable 2 is perhaps the single most atmospheric moment I have ever had in a video game. Bowerstone in wintertime is just a delight!

Personally I felt that Fable 3 had a poor story, visually it lacked the flare of 2 and was much for gray and filtered. On top of that the combat was just so slow and clunky compared to 2. And the levelling system in 3 is just awful. I missed those shiny little orbs! And don't even get me started on how incoherrent that world felt. Yuck, I just really don't like much about Fable 3. Also, way worse selection when it came to clothing and stuff like that.

#17 Posted by buzz_killington (3532 posts) -

I love Molyneux. He the best.

#18 Posted by Tennmuerti (8014 posts) -

Having no previous experience with previous Fable games, I played Fable 3...
(couse people seemed to talk a lot about that series and 3 came out on PC)
It was disgusting. Like playing an apex of consolisation of rpgs. A nighmare come to life. Everything i hope gaming never to be. A shallow puddle of a game. I experienced actual physical repulsion towards that that game after finishing it.
So dear Peter can keep talking up his own ass for now as far as I'm concerned.
 

hmmm... i guess I never let my feelings for that game be known and they just came bubbling out now for some reason.
sorry duders, sometimes when you're really sleepy (like a bunch) verbal diharea floodgates tend to open up, kind of like when youre drunk
oh well, off my chest

#19 Posted by believer258 (11682 posts) -

@Video_Game_King said:

Am I the only person who likes Fable III better than its predecessor?

Yes. Out of seven billion people on this Earth, you are the only one who likes Fable 3 better than its predecessor. No one else does.

On topic, I both like Call of Duty and have a strong distaste for motion controls of any sort, especially Kinect. Do I agree that the industry needs an injection of creativity? Yes! Definitely! Do I think that Kinect and other motion controls are the way to go? Hell no! Never!

I don't like motion controls. The Wii has some fun games, but look how limited it is in terms of buttons to press. Kinect's Steel Batallion could be fun, but one decent game could hardly get me to buy into it. Even Steel Batallion, the GB crew said, had to use the controller.

To wrap this up before I begin rambling, I'm very wary of any controller that isn't a traditional controller or M+K.

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#20 Posted by Video_Game_King (36107 posts) -

@believer258 said:

@Video_Game_King said:

Am I the only person who likes Fable III better than its predecessor?

Yes. Out of seven billion people on this Earth, you are the only one who likes Fable 3 better than its predecessor.

But I'm not on Earth :|.

#21 Edited by believer258 (11682 posts) -

@Video_Game_King said:

@believer258 said:

@Video_Game_King said:

Am I the only person who likes Fable III better than its predecessor?

Yes. Out of seven billion people on this Earth, you are the only one who likes Fable 3 better than its predecessor.

But I'm not on Earth :|.

Out of seven billion known sentient beings in the universe, you're the only one that likes Fable 3 better than it's predecessor.

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#22 Posted by Video_Game_King (36107 posts) -

@believer258:

There are more out there, you know. Try the neighborhood of 32.4 trillion.

#23 Posted by believer258 (11682 posts) -

@Video_Game_King said:

@believer258:

There are more out there, you know. Try the neighborhood of 32.4 trillion.

Out of 32.4 trillion sentient beings, you are the only... ah, fuck it. You're never the only goddamn one.

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#24 Posted by CaptainCody (1505 posts) -

Why wouldn't fable II hold up? It's a game that's from this generation. Saying a game still holds up is one of the dumbest points people can make about a game.

#25 Posted by yoshimitz707 (2450 posts) -

@Video_Game_King said:

Am I the only person who likes Fable III better than its predecessor?

Don't worry. I like the first Fable the most.

#26 Posted by PeasantAbuse (5138 posts) -

I didn't think Fable II was all that great. Didn't bother playing the third one.

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#27 Posted by SomeDeliCook (2233 posts) -

Even though I just disregard whenever he hypes something up, Molyneux's voice is pretty soothing sometimes.

He should read bedtime stories or something.

#28 Posted by QuistisTrepe (628 posts) -

"We're doing the same thing that Hollywood's doing with action movies. We're inventing a formula, and we're repeating it over and over again, and we're grabbing every penny from our consumers and not bothering to think about something different. And they're the people that need something different."

Hey Petey, at least they can actually stick to a formula and properly execute it.

#29 Posted by WMWA (1160 posts) -

Dude...I am playing through Fable 2 for the first time right now, and I'm sorry, that is your nostalgia talking. The controls are fucking dreadful. Love the art and the humor, but damn the controls and combat feel so clunky and borderline broken.

#30 Posted by Jeust (10487 posts) -

@Video_Game_King said:

Am I the only person who likes Fable III better than its predecessor?

No. I also loved much more Fable III.

I also agree with the man. I personally think along the lines of Tim Schaefer when he says "games should be about wish fulfillment. If you're wishing about stuff that's real your imagination is dead.".

#31 Posted by breton (1437 posts) -

"We're inventing a formula, and we're repeating it over and over again, and we're grabbing every penny from our consumers and not bothering to think about something different."

"Lionhead are currently working on XBLA exclusive Fable Heroes, along with Fable: The Journey"

.... Was this intentional?

#32 Posted by Grimluck343 (1148 posts) -

@QuistisTrepe said:

"We're doing the same thing that Hollywood's doing with action movies. We're inventing a formula, and we're repeating it over and over again, and we're grabbing every penny from our consumers and not bothering to think about something different. And they're the people that need something different."

Hey Petey, at least they can actually stick to a formula and properly execute it.

Sick burn. I always get a strong sense of jealousy when other developers resort to bashing CoD.

#33 Posted by JasonR86 (9611 posts) -

What are people, and in turn representatives from companies selling products to those people, going to hate when Call of Duty isn't around?

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#34 Posted by PeasantAbuse (5138 posts) -

@JasonR86 said:

What are people, and in turn representatives from companies selling products to those people, going to hate when Call of Duty isn't around?

The next super popular franchise to pop up.

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#35 Posted by QuistisTrepe (628 posts) -

@JasonR86 said:

What are people, and in turn representatives from companies selling products to those people, going to hate when Call of Duty isn't around?

There will always be shooters, and bashing shooters makes me feel oh so superior to everyone else.

#36 Posted by Ventilaator (1501 posts) -

I'd rather play nothing but Call of Duty until the day I die (I don't like Call of Duty) than Fable III again.

#37 Posted by LordXavierBritish (6320 posts) -

Peter stop talking about other people's games and get back to work on Black & White 3.

#38 Posted by sthusby (382 posts) -

@CaptainCody said:

Why wouldn't fable II hold up? It's a game that's from this generation. Saying a game still holds up is one of the dumbest points people can make about a game.

Are you insane in the membrane, insane in the brain? Do you for instance think that Oblivion or Gun holds up? Those games are from this generation, and they're fucking dreadful to play today. It's 4 years since Fable 2 came out, that's a pretty long time, certainly long enough to age poorly. Luckily it hasn't. It's like a good wine, it just gets better with every year that passes.

#39 Posted by Christoffer (1762 posts) -

Spooky enough I just read about The Peter Principle on HowStuffWorks.com. It's a ("humorous") theory of how employees climb to positions they have absolutely no competence in due to a stiff pyramid-like systems of internal promotion.

There's also an extended theory of this by a man called Nitin Borwankar who writes about "The Peter Principle of Innovation" in an essay. It pretty much says exactly what Peter Molyneux talks about here. Off course it has nothing to do with Peter Molynex, I just found it funny.

http://money.howstuffworks.com/peter-principle2.htm

#40 Posted by CheapPoison (727 posts) -

Although i agree with him. He himself hasn't really delivered in my book. Empty promises.

Then again i guess you can't blame a guy for aiming high, but i just feel he just says those things to create buzz. Although who am i to say he doesn't believe in the things he says.

Also, i am still sore about not getting B.C. released.

#41 Posted by Winternet (8008 posts) -

If only Peter was as good at making games as he is doing interviews.

#42 Posted by sthusby (382 posts) -

@wmaustin55 said:

Dude...I am playing through Fable 2 for the first time right now, and I'm sorry, that is your nostalgia talking. The controls are fucking dreadful. Love the art and the humor, but damn the controls and combat feel so clunky and borderline broken.

Nope, the combat is super fast and fluid. Probably the best combat in any RPG. Well, in my book anyways. In the case of Fable 2, less is more when it comes to combat.

#43 Posted by Village_Guy (2507 posts) -

I think they need to retire Molyneux, he haven't made a good game in years, since Black & White 2 or the first Fable?

He's just mad that Activision is making mad cash on Call of Duty, while he can't improve his own games and make them sell gangbusters...

#44 Posted by Stete (725 posts) -
#45 Posted by therabidfrog (349 posts) -

Aren't we missing the obvious point that Call of Duty gets away with remaking the same game every year because people keep buying it? It's not like the video game industry is the only market entity not driven by demand. Blame the players not the game.

#46 Posted by Ramone (2960 posts) -

I hate Peter Molyneux with a burning passion and if he thinks that Kinect is the future of video games I think the mental asylum would be an appropriate place for him to go.

#47 Posted by kogasu (148 posts) -

What he says is so true, to me. It's just the same thing over and over again. Though, I feel I'm being a bit of a hypocrite. I was never really into FPSs in the first place but if it was a game genre I actually liked being made over and over again, I probably wouldn't complain. Either way, I'm glad somebody's thinking of the "Core gamers", but the Kinect needs to die off. Motion controls will never replace a controller for me. That being said, ironically, Fable: The Journey is the only game I've seen that I would remotely want to TRY.

#48 Edited by CaptainCody (1505 posts) -

@sthusby said:

@CaptainCody said:

Why wouldn't fable II hold up? It's a game that's from this generation. Saying a game still holds up is one of the dumbest points people can make about a game.

Are you insane in the membrane, insane in the brain? Do you for instance think that Oblivion or Gun holds up? Those games are from this generation, and they're fucking dreadful to play today. It's 4 years since Fable 2 came out, that's a pretty long time, certainly long enough to age poorly. Luckily it hasn't. It's like a good wine, it just gets better with every year that passes.

You sound like you're 12 and don't comprehend that people still play older games. I played Oblivion last year and it still proved to be one of the best games I have ever played and far better than Skyrim, maybe you should get over graphics.

#49 Posted by sthusby (382 posts) -

@CaptainCody said:

@sthusby said:

@CaptainCody said:

Why wouldn't fable II hold up? It's a game that's from this generation. Saying a game still holds up is one of the dumbest points people can make about a game.

Are you insane in the membrane, insane in the brain? Do you for instance think that Oblivion or Gun holds up? Those games are from this generation, and they're fucking dreadful to play today. It's 4 years since Fable 2 came out, that's a pretty long time, certainly long enough to age poorly. Luckily it hasn't. It's like a good wine, it just gets better with every year that passes.

You sound like you're 12 and don't comprehend that people still play older games. I played Oblivion last year and it still proved to be one of the best games I have ever played and far better than Skyrim, maybe you should get over graphics.

The only twelve year old has to be the one who thinks fucking Oblivion is better than Skyrim. Oblivion is the worst installment of the modern-day ES-series. It's hard to choose between Morrowind or Skyrim. But you certainly have to be pretty hard headed to not acknowledge that a game from early this generation can have aged poorly. For instance, 4 year from now Fable 3 will have aged poorly, because that it hasn't got the beautiful artistic vision that Fable 2 had.

And how about Gun, AC1, Motorstorm, Resistance, Halo 3, Rainbow Six: Vegas? All those are games that could just as well have stayed on last-gen consoles, because MAN do they feel dated today.

#50 Posted by Godlyawesomeguy (6389 posts) -

While I agree with him on not putting out the same crap every year to appease the brodudes is a good idea, I don't think the answer is Kinect in it's current state. Besides, making the point that the industry needs more innovation is pretty much redundant by now.