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#1 Posted by fentonalpha (933 posts) -
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#2 Edited by fentonalpha (933 posts) -

Just curious as to where the community stands.... the thought recently crossed my mind but i have since shot it down.
Also can you edit a poll?  I meant to put in a "just show me the results" option
I should clarify the question for some:
Lets say the new "Mega Ninja Space Amazon 2: Modern Sportage, Empire of the Third Moon" game is coming out on PC.
You think it might be awesome but there's no demo.... you download it and realize it's awesome so therefore purchase... i don't mean DL and play full game then decide.... play first level or just see if it even runs.
I pass no judgments... well actually i do disapprove but i asked for the poll info. If it occurred to me i'm sure it has to others.

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#3 Posted by TaliciaDragonsong (8734 posts) -

Demo purposes is fine with me if there isn't a real demo out.
60 bucks is quite a sum nowadays and not all games are worth it.
Every game I pirate tested (like Mount and Blade and S.T.A.L.K.E.R.) I have bought.
 
So, B.

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#4 Posted by FluxWaveZ (19836 posts) -

How does B. make sense?  You'll pirate it for demo purposes, but then you're forced to buy it afterwards?

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#5 Posted by TheSeductiveMoose (3629 posts) -

Grey.

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#6 Posted by MeierTheRed (5236 posts) -

Piracy is piracy, no matter how you try to justify it.

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#7 Posted by Tomkang (276 posts) -

hm £4 or £50 for a new game? China has its perks and it ain't illegal because there is no law regarding it here...just saying. 

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#8 Posted by ch13696 (4760 posts) -

No comment...

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#9 Posted by ZeForgotten (10368 posts) -

Oh I do the same thing with music and movies. 
I just either listen to an album over and over again for a couple of years and if I don't like it I just delete it. 
Same with movies, I watch them 10 or 200 times and just delete them again, that's ok right?

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#10 Edited by Turambar (7988 posts) -

Its definitely a blurry zone.  I personally do pirate for "demo" purposes, but its always been games that I know I was going to buy, but wasn't sure if my PC could handle it.  For example, when Empire: Total War came out, I knew I was going to buy it barring technical difficulties, and didn't have the budget to buy a game only to find I couldn't play it unless I dumped more cash down on a PC upgrade.  So I pirated it, found out I couldn't play it at all, and didn't buy it. 
 
Speaking of which, I just built a new PC.  Brb Steam time.

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#11 Posted by wolf_blitzer85 (5437 posts) -

Oh man here come the folks on their high horses.
 
The cool thing is that OnLive could actually help curb piracy in this sense. The fact that you can play any game they have available in demo for (30 minutes) is too cool. Unfortunately when it comes to PC, we don't care so much about how it plays, but more how it runs on our rigs. Maybe developers will get it in their heads that a pc demo of their game wouldn't be such a horrible idea.

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#12 Posted by wefwefasdf (6730 posts) -

If you're going to pirate why do you need justification? Doesn't that defeat the purpose?

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#13 Posted by fentonalpha (933 posts) -
@wolf_blitzer85:  Good point... the game in question for me was Borderlands.   Onlive showed me it was not worth my money...personally.
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#14 Posted by recroulette (5413 posts) -

I picked B, despite it being impossible.

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#15 Posted by gakon (2010 posts) -

Is it still illegal?  Yes.  Is it now made justifiable?  Probably not. 
 
I certainly won't condemn you for it, but not because you have an excuse like "I wanted to try before I buy".  I'd prefer it if people just acknowledged that stealing digital media is wrong, and then do it, instead of coming up with ways to justify it for themselves.

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#16 Posted by wefwefasdf (6730 posts) -
@gakon5 said:
" Is it still illegal?  Yes.  Is it now made justifiable?  Probably not.  I certainly won't condemn you for it, but not because you have an excuse like "I wanted to try before I buy".  I'd prefer it if people just acknowledged that stealing digital media is wrong, and then do it, instead of coming up with ways to justify it for themselves. "
Yes! Finally someone who agrees with me!
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#17 Posted by HitmanAgent47 (8553 posts) -

Most ppl who does that, doesn't actually buy it because they are already playing the game, won't delete is and will finish it.

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#18 Edited by skadbob (232 posts) -

I just want to clarify for the kids out there who might be reading this thread that the law in most "developed" nations is pretty BLACK AND WHITE about this issue. 
 
Piracy is illegal. I don't know of any legal way to justify it. The law does not need to recognize your intent. You may be pirating a game because there is no demo for it and you wanted to make an informed purchase, you may be pirating a game so you don't have to make a purchase, you may personally be totally okay with it, but it is still piracy and it is still illegal. There's no gray area. Relativism does not apply here. It is absolute. So if you are pirating, for any reason, just be aware of the fact that you are still liable to the legal consequences.
 
Okay, just wanted to make sure the kids understand that. Carry on the moral debate!

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#19 Posted by OppressiveStink (366 posts) -

I can only speak for myself, but I have pirated video games to test them out.  For me, I can't play through a video game unless I owe it.  If I've never spent money on the game, there's no incentive for me to derive value from it, so download it, try it and toss it.
 
That is unless I like it, then I purchase it.  I am that fabled gamer that does pirate only if I'm questioning if I'll like it or not.
 
I am that gamer that has an Acekard for home brew and fan-translated games. 
I am that guy who modded his PS1 and 2 to play japanese games (Mostly SRW and Bemani games.) 
I am that guy who put CFW on my PSP so I could rip my OWN games to memcard to extend battery life and to play homebrew and ROMS.
Hell, I am that guy who downloaded MUSIC before I buy it.  I buy CDs too!
 
To prove I'm not talking shit, here's my collection of games (only classic games, I haven't taken pictures of the latest generation yet.) And yes, at the lower left hand side of the picture are some neo-geo games and yes, that is a neo-geo pocket.
 

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#20 Posted by JJWeatherman (14906 posts) -
@ch13696 said:
" No comment... "
You've admitted to pirating games in the past. 
 
Just sayin'.
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#21 Posted by dvaeg (249 posts) -

I have done it.   Yes, I know it was wrong, and the fact that I turned around and bought the game doesn't make it better.   
 
I did it because I had no clue if my computer could run the game in a playable fashion.    Once I loaded it up and messed around for a bit, I saw that I could run it quite well and I went and bought it on Steam at full price.  

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#22 Posted by JoeyRavn (5207 posts) -

I go with C, because B makes no sense as it's now formulated. What is the purpose of a demo if you have to buy the game anyway? I guess what the OP meant is that it's fine as long as you are actually pirating as a "limited demo", that is, you try it for half an hour, an hour max, then you delete it. Just to give you an idea whether the game is worth the purchase or not, or if it runs well in your computer, as dvaeg said. In that case, and if there's no official demo available, fine for me. 

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#23 Posted by jorbear (2570 posts) -

I'm not going to lie. I've pirated a game, played it for a day, then went out and bought it. 

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#24 Posted by ch13696 (4760 posts) -
@JJWeatherman said:
" @ch13696 said:
" No comment... "
You've admitted to pirating games in the past.  Just sayin'. "
Yeah I have, but if you take a look at my pictures, I do have quite a few purchased games.
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#25 Posted by FluxWaveZ (19836 posts) -
@ch13696 said:
" @JJWeatherman said:
" @ch13696 said:
" No comment... "
You've admitted to pirating games in the past.  Just sayin'. "
Yeah I have, but if you take a look at my pictures, I do have quite a few purchased games. "
Hah, because that makes it all better or something.
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#26 Posted by ch13696 (4760 posts) -
@FluxWaveZ said:
" @ch13696 said:
" @JJWeatherman said:
" @ch13696 said:
" No comment... "
You've admitted to pirating games in the past.  Just sayin'. "
Yeah I have, but if you take a look at my pictures, I do have quite a few purchased games. "
Hah, because that makes it all better or something. "
Sure. Why not. The way I look at it is, if I am capable of doing it then I will. As soon as the games get into my price range then I'll buy them. These publishers can't expect everyone to buy their games on day one and at full price.
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#27 Posted by iam3green (14368 posts) -

i just think that it is horrible as game companies don't get any kind of money. i am happy that xbox 360 has piracy. developers complain about how PC only have pirates and went to consoles. now that piracy is in for xbox 360 they can't really say anything. i also think that ps3 has piracy but it cost a lot because of bluray burners. 
 
only time to pirate is when they put DRM into the games. DRM screws up some other programs for the PC. there isn't really any way to remove it.

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#28 Edited by RsistncE (4499 posts) -
@UncertainOtter: It is only piracy and therefore considered illegal if explicitly defined as such in the law of the given country. I live in a country that is ranked higher in human development that the US, and in fact places near the top or at the top of the list, and there are not any real laws claiming that copying games, music and movies are illegal. As a result, the only argument here is whether or not someone believes piracy is or is not moral, and that again is completely subjective. As far as I'm concerned, most corporations are dicks and would do whatever they can, including breaking the law, to improve their bottom line. I see nothing wrong with using the same tactics against them...though just to be clear, I don't personally pirate games since if a game is good enough to buy then I buy it, otherwise I wouldn't even play it, pirated or not.
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#29 Posted by ch13696 (4760 posts) -
@iam3green said:
" i just think that it is horrible as game companies don't get any kind of money. i am happy that xbox 360 has piracy. developers complain about how PC only have pirates and went to consoles. now that piracy is in for xbox 360 they can't really say anything. i also think that ps3 has piracy but it cost a lot because of bluray burners.   only time to pirate is when they put DRM into the games. DRM screws up some other programs for the PC. there isn't really any way to remove it. "
Actually PS3 just barely got it a couple of months ago through the USB devices being sold online. You also don't need a blu-ray burner. Get yourself an external HDD and put all the games on that.
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#30 Posted by Three0neFive (2372 posts) -
@ch13696 said:
" No comment... "
Then why comment? :/
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#31 Posted by ch13696 (4760 posts) -
@Three0neFive said:
" @ch13696 said:
" No comment... "
Then why comment? :/ "
Exactly. Did it blow your mind?
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#32 Posted by Hourai (2738 posts) -

I don't see the point in paying if you already have the game for free. 

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#33 Posted by Rockanomics (1187 posts) -

I've done it, haven't in a while, but with the state of PC gaming I'll probably do it again. I was a lot more flagrant about it in the past but most recently I've actually set limits on myself to stop before too long and end my "demo" to decide if I actually want the rest of the game.

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#34 Posted by sodiumCyclops (2778 posts) -

If you have no other way to see if you really like a game, and there is no demo, then pirate it.

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#35 Posted by MrKlorox (11142 posts) -

B is better than buying used games. But since this is PC we're talking about, used isn't even an option. If there is no demo and you must find out if you can run it before buying it, then sure. If you can't run it, then no problem. If you can run it and end up not liking it, also fine. Delete that shit in those cases.
 
However if you end up playing it and enjoying it, buy the fucker. Give your money to the people who made it. Even if you didn't enjoy it but still finished, pay up.
 
High horses indeed. The people who say stuff like "people wouldn't pay for something they already have in their possession" are only talking about THEIR OWN immorality.

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#36 Posted by ch3burashka (6087 posts) -

Because digital products can be easily duplicated, piracy will always be a factor. That said, if your game stands up on its own, it will be a success. I pirated Fallout 3 and played through its entirety (sunk about 30 hours or so) and would gladly pay for the full game, and will most likely buy New Vegas. I might not buy it at full price, but I'm more than willing to compensate developers for the experience they allow me to have.

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#37 Posted by Three0neFive (2372 posts) -
@ch13696 said:
" @Three0neFive said:
" @ch13696 said:
" No comment... "
Then why comment? :/ "
Exactly. Did it blow your mind? "
Nah. Just made me a little disappointed that someone would take the time to comment on something saying they have nothing to say, as if the fact that they have nothing to say was important and needed to be known.
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#38 Posted by beej (1675 posts) -
@dvaeg said:

" I have done it.   Yes, I know it was wrong, and the fact that I turned around and bought the game doesn't make it better.      I did it because I had no clue if my computer could run the game in a playable fashion.    Once I loaded it up and messed around for a bit, I saw that I could run it quite well and I went and bought it on Steam at full price.   "

  I totally understand that desire. It sucks super duper hard to have a game be unplayable on your system for a myriad of reasons (secureROM being the most offensive) I think it was stardock that put out that list of gamers rights that to be perfectly honest I wish most dev's followed, if I new that I had certain assurances (full refund on unplayable game) I'd be more comfortable with buying something right away. That being said I don't pirate games, being a college student I can't buy too many so I try to make where I spend my money count. (I.E. boosting the sales numbers on really great games so that more good games get made)
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#39 Posted by HaltIamReptar (2038 posts) -

I can't seem to recall the last time a debate about morality in piracy was interesting.  Spore, maybe?  Just maybe.

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#40 Posted by DrPockets000 (2877 posts) -

It is and always will be wrong for any reason.  

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#41 Posted by Bloodgraiv3 (2730 posts) -

I still think its wrong.