#151 Posted by Pop (2606 posts) -

What I don't understand is how the fuck did that "canadian woman" from the article find his address?

#152 Edited by rebgav (1429 posts) -

Here's the thing; this whole scenario is ridiculous and what the dude said wasn't much of a threat even if you did think he was being serious.

However... it's still-beating not "still, beating," the latter suggests a disembodied heart which is both still and beating rather than continuing to beat after removal. Eight years isn't enough for that misplaced comma.

Edit: How disturbing is the thought that the people who can't detect sarcasm in text now wield an enormous amount of power over your liberty thanks to the US' fear of terrorism?

#153 Posted by stryker1121 (1346 posts) -

Odd comment from the father:

“Justin was the kind of kid who didn’t read the newspaper,” said Jack Carter. “He didn’t watch television. He wasn’t aware of current events. These kids, they don’t realize what they’re doing. They don’t understand the implications. They don’t understand.”

For a 19-year-old, he sounds like he's fucking 12, and just the type of "just for the lulz" callous internet idiot I cannot stand. Did he not know about Newtown? That said, it's unbelievable that he's been in prison for 3 months over making a joke in poor taste. That Canadian woman has her head up her ass.

#154 Edited by Dark_Lord_Spam (3157 posts) -

Alright, a few things:

  • Defending this kid's right to blurt out dumb shit is entirely valid, but a few people here are sliding into defending the competitive online culture itself, which I don't think is a great idea. The fact that he said something casually offensive is an "acceptable response" only because of the context of frequently disgusting trash-talking that goes on in games like LoL, and that's not something that should be fostered as some form of nebulous community-building. In other words, don't just shrug your shoulders, try to help and create an environment in which an 18-year-old boy wouldn't feel pressured to elevate the conversational stakes to absurdity.
  • Had this been an interpersonal threat, I'd feel much more conflicted about supporting him. Because of how the negative emotional impact of death tends to be inversely proportional to the scale of the crime, making light of public violence might be easier to justify. To this guy, the idea of attacking a school probably seemed like the most blatantly ridiculous threat he could make. But insinuating an intention to physically harm another individual, especially in this day and age (I mean, how much trouble was it for this Canadian woman to find where the boy lived?), strikes me as a much more real danger. Especially given the tendency of online chat to devolve into horrible misogyny.
  • I really have to wonder if the way this guy has been handled so far was affected by Joe Public's perception of video games. Every single time we hear about a massacre, one of the first things the media will dig up is the perpetrator's game collection. Obviously, we here can point to the fundamental flaws in giving that association as much import as it receives, but what was the first thing the authorities thought of when they got the tip? Would the arrest have been made if the conversation had been about, say, the latest season of American Idol? For that matter, would a judge and jury be able to separate this case from all the "ban violent video games" politicking that Texas' elected representatives are so fond of? Austin may be an easygoing, liberal city, but we've still got some hard-line sons of bitches running our justice system.

EDIT: For people who don't understand how his address was found so easily, evidently the conversation itself did not take place in LoL itself but on Facebook.

#155 Posted by connerthekewlkid (1803 posts) -

I didnt know this was what brought out peoples Anti America vibe, geez.

#156 Posted by Milkman (16531 posts) -

This is obviously pretty ridiculous but I'd like to also point out that this kid sounds like just the worst.

#157 Edited by jsnyder82 (726 posts) -

8 years for any kind of remark is way, way too much time. That's ridiculous.

#158 Edited by Turambar (6675 posts) -

@yukoasho said:

@politicalscientist said:

Anyone defending this kind of behavior is a fucking moron and sums up why I hate gamers. They should do a little research and learn what Free Speech actually means.

Would you defend someone who said they were going to shoot up the Giant Bomb offices?

How is this different?

This.

While eight years for some stupid shit talk online is a bit harsh, this isn't the sort of thing you can "lol, jk" off. In the unfortunate world we live in, you have to take every threat of a school shooting seriously.

As a highschool teacher, no, we actually don't. Context and perspective should be something all human beings are capable of. The "Zero Tolerance" policy that has been the norm for quite awhile now is a giant failure in accomplishing its original intended purpose: protecting welfare of students.

#159 Posted by Korolev (1700 posts) -

Jesus Christ this is stupid as hell. 8 Years? That's sheer nonsense!

Okay, I agree that such comments need to be taken seriously - but 8 years? 8 hours of community service is a more appropriate punishment.

Making a "threat" is not the same thing as carrying out that threat. If the police investigated and they found that the individual had not made concrete plans or assembled the means to carry out a threat (as in, starting stocking weapons and ammo), then they should do the sensible thing and just give the guy a warning.

He didn't call into the police to make the threat. He didn't make the threat against a school directly - it was a stupid, crass comment said in a video game. He doesn't deserve 8 days in jail, let alone 8 years. Hopefully a jury will see how stupid this case is and throw it out of court.

#160 Posted by CastroCasper (1300 posts) -

Don't say dumb shit. 8 years is a little much, but kidding or not, don't say dumb shit.

#161 Posted by Blastroid (257 posts) -

@blastroid said:

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What happens when 16,000 sigs are acquired?

There was another case where a kid rapping was arrested and a petition was needed to start some legal process. Not sure the details but that petition got 900,000 sigs and kid was released a few days ago.

#162 Posted by LikeaSsur (1495 posts) -

8 years is a bit excessive, but good for them for throwing him in the slammer. Accountability is a lost art that needs to be recovered.

#163 Edited by neato (76 posts) -

jailing non-criminals for 8 years sounds like the best way to make someone a criminal. the kid is going to come out of jail with nothing going for him and tons of resentment.

#164 Posted by Aetheldod (3511 posts) -

I just wish to add ... 18 years old IS NOT A KID , and he should know better , on the other hand 8 yrs for a bad joke is nonsensical at all , thats a fucked up "fascism" style of punishment for words. Also isnt it creepy that a Canadian woman ratted him out? What the heck? I dunno what to say....

#165 Edited by PulledaBrad (612 posts) -

Asshole kid actually sees repercussions of his actions on the internet? I see no problem with this.

#166 Posted by Clonedzero (4091 posts) -

8 years is a bit excessive, but good for them for throwing him in the slammer. Accountability is a lost art that needs to be recovered.

A bit excessive? Good for them? Are you insane? He was talking to his friend and some canadian woman took his sarcastic remark seriously and called the cops.

He didnt like threaten the school as a joke, he didnt insult anyone, he was joking around with his friend.

It's insane people think WORDS are a reason to send someone to PRISON.

#167 Posted by dudeglove (7688 posts) -

Reaffirming the belief that MOBA players are a vile bunch. Joy.

#168 Posted by AlexanderSheen (4929 posts) -

8 years for shit talking on the internet? Seems fine to me. I don't know why you guys are so upset about this.

#169 Posted by Grillbar (1797 posts) -

that's freedom of speech for you.
the way i heard the story. (did not care to read the link) he was just talking shit to a friend, and taking out of context he mentioned doing a school shooting if he was insane but it was used as an argument to prove that he was not insane. and some canadian mother got overly concerned and apparently diddent know what sarcasm was and tracked him and his address down and reported him to the police, and since he lived near a school that ofc was enough reasons to claim that he would actually do it, even though neither he or his dad owned a gun or any other from of firearm. its retarded that he has even been held in prison for so long just to wait for his trial. i though they had to prove intent/motive for doing so. and a basic psych eval should prove him innocent. even if it had to be on his own dime.
is what he said okay, ofc not it was insensitive, inappropriate and down right stupid.
but i mean come on

#170 Posted by Otleaz (45 posts) -

The crazy thing is all these people saying it is okay because he was clearly being sarcastic. No, it is okay even if there was no indication that he was being sarcastic. People say stupid shit on the internet all the time. If he had a record of violent comments and then started talking about it, sure look into it, otherwise you are overreacting... because this IS the internet after all.

#171 Posted by thugg1280 (88 posts) -

WTF Texas why is it when I hear about some dumb shit it's going down in Texas?

#172 Edited by thugg1280 (88 posts) -

Freedom of speech is in place for unpopular speech even if it is in poor taste this is not minority report where you can be locked up for crimes they think you are going to comet in the future. Hope his mom and dad sue the shit out of the state.

#173 Posted by Levio (1783 posts) -

Oh man, Canadian women have the sexiest accents. I'd love meet one of them in court as I try to explain how I don't want to eat children's hearts! Yowza.

#174 Posted by thugg1280 (88 posts) -

But a Canadian woman who saw the post looked up Carter’s Austin address, determined that it was near an elementary school, and called the police. Carter was arrested one month later

evaluate all potential threats seriously lmao is that why they waited a month what a joke

#175 Posted by Levio (1783 posts) -

I bet if he had said he was going to eat chickens' hearts, no one would even care. People are real bigots.

#176 Posted by FoolishChaos (431 posts) -

This is insane... guys I don't want to be on the internet anymore :(

#177 Posted by GamingMichael (104 posts) -

@demoskinos: Well, it depends on the full context of the argument. We don't know the full conversation. Even if it was in poor taste, going to jail for even one day in this instance is too long as there was no indication that his comment was an actual threat.

#178 Edited by Otleaz (45 posts) -

@gamingmichael: Because all of the threats of people killing our families and raping our mother should be taken completely seriously since they aren't being sarcastic... and that is a very civil example.

People say stupid shit all the time on the internet: fact.

#179 Edited by Yummylee (21271 posts) -

And Dumber.

#180 Posted by egg (1450 posts) -

signed, displayed signature

#181 Edited by bunnymud (717 posts) -

@thepickle: Closed it the second I saw it was on dailycaller. The audience for that site seems to be 40-60 year old white racists.

Please tell me how you know that they are in that age range and white. I would also like super powers like that.

#182 Posted by Green_Incarnate (1788 posts) -

Sarcasm, the deadliest of killers on the internet since its inception. It just might cost you your life folks.

#183 Edited by ProfessorEss (7281 posts) -

@neato said:

jailing non-criminals for 8 years sounds like the best way to make someone a criminal. the kid is going to come out of jail with nothing going for him and tons of resentment.

Yup. Good job, they removed a internet big-mouth from the streets. Unfortunately they'll most likely be releasing a real criminal in 8 years in his place.

#184 Posted by masternater27 (915 posts) -

I think he probably learned his lesson and should be let out on time served.

#185 Posted by RussellMeTimber (7 posts) -

Seems extreme on both sides of the coin

#186 Posted by CABBAGES (520 posts) -

This must be a joke.

How do they know it was him ? what if it was his friend or brother or anyone ?

#187 Posted by MelficeVKM (160 posts) -

This is insanely dumb. It sounds like a silly remark made in the heat of the moment. If he is locked away, he'll probably come out of prison with actual resentment and will be more likely to commit a crime

#188 Edited by Veektarius (4601 posts) -
@jakob187 said:

This is so fucking stupid. Given that this was in League of Legends, I can already imagine what the exact conversation was:

Other player: "s20, this fucker feeds."

This kid: "oh yeah my fault you suck bitch"

Other player: "says 0/22 yi ap mid yi fucking sucks uninstall plz"

This kid: "fuck you man you fed cho'gath up top"

Other player: "youre messed up in the head if you think i fed dipshit"

This kid: "oh yeah, I’m real messed up in the head, I’m going to go shoot up a school full of kids and eat their still, beating hearts"

"lol"

"jk"

If it wasn't something like that, it was something like this:

Other players: "OMG STOP DL'ING PORN AND YOU WILL QUIT LAGGING"

"stop playing on a ti82 idiot"

This kid: "i like tentacle porn best, they love me long time"

Other players: "i love the octopussy"

"you guys are messed up"

This kid: "oh yeah, I’m real messed up in the head, I’m going to go shoot up a school full of kids and eat their still, beating hearts"

"lol"

"jk"

Basically, it's stupid shit being said for the sake of saying stupid shit.

This country needs to get its hens in a row at some point and stop being so fucking idiotic about this shit.

I loled.

#189 Posted by gaminghooligan (1413 posts) -

I think he deserved to be called out on his statement, however giving jail time to someone for something so minor and ruining their life is pretty harsh punishment. Seems like the situation could have been resolved with a firm discussion of the issue, no one needed to get a black mark on their record.

#190 Edited by selfconfessedcynic (2495 posts) -

@dudeglove said:

Reaffirming the belief that MOBA players are a vile bunch. Joy.

Pretty much where I stand, too. Free to play games in general seem to be a great place to see the internet's low-points. Sigh.

(though I don't play MOBAs myself, half my friends play DOTA2 - which kinda makes me bias, I guess)

#191 Edited by oraknabo (1453 posts) -

I don't know how anyone can defend the treatment of this guy or say things like "at least someone is being punished for being an asshole" and be posting on this site or listening to the Bombcast. The original source of this site's name was a joke to troll organizations like the NSA and US homeland security hawks. Go back and watch the How to Build a Bomb videos. They contain multiple comments just like this guy made. I don't know how many times I've heard Jeff or Ryan make comments like this on camera and in print, not just on an essentially private conversation on Facebook and I don't remember anyone here calling them vile or demanding they be called out or jailed for it.

This is going to sound hypocritical coming from someone posting on an online forum, but I think the real lesson to be learned here is that people need to realize that having a conversation on Facebook is broadcasting to an audience of billions, not private. There are lots of things I will say in private that I wouldn't say if someone put a live TV camera on me.

#192 Posted by Nekroskop (2786 posts) -

Only in America. More labor for the prison industrial complex, I guess.

#193 Edited by Brodehouse (9588 posts) -

@jsnyder82 said:

8 years for any kind of remark is way, way too much time. That's ridiculous.

Any amount of years for any kind of remark is too much time unless you're living in a Goddamn police state.

@kurtdyoung said:

Don't say dumb shit. 8 years is a little much, but kidding or not, don't say dumb shit.

There is no shit so dumbly spoken as to justify incarceration.

@likeassur said:

8 years is a bit excessive, but good for them for throwing him in the slammer. Accountability is a lost art that needs to be recovered.

ACCOUNTABILITY?! GOOD FOR THROWING HIM IN THE SLAMMER?! What country do you live in?! How on earth can you possibly think that?! Are you even aware that people in western democracies are supposed to have rights?

@otleaz said:

The crazy thing is all these people saying it is okay because he was clearly being sarcastic. No, it is okay even if there was no indication that he was being sarcastic. People say stupid shit on the internet all the time. If he had a record of violent comments and then started talking about it, sure look into it, otherwise you are overreacting... because this IS the internet after all.

People say stupid shit on the internet all the time, and they're allowed to, provided they don't live in China or Pakistan. Anyone who believes that people should only be able to say things the government deems as acceptable should maybe move to those countries.

These kind of reactions, the "good, we need to protect people's feelings and punish people for saying objectionable things" make me so crazy I can hardly breathe. I understand you don't want freedom of speech, it's too much for you, the potential for people to say things that you don't like is just too much for you to bear and you wish for an authoritarian system to come eliminate anything you dislike, but the rest of us actually enjoy having rights and will not tolerate you attempting to sell them. But thank you so much for justifying informing on absolutely anyone or anything you find 'suspicious'. Inform on your neighbors, never turn off the telescreen.

#194 Posted by jerseyscum (862 posts) -

Trolling is not a crime.

#195 Posted by The_Laughing_Man (13629 posts) -

There is an update. Seems he posted all this on his Facebook or something.

#196 Posted by Zirilius (579 posts) -
#197 Posted by streetninja (145 posts) -

@jakob187 said:

@joeyravn said:

@jakob187 said:

3. Free speech means FREE speech. Say what you want. You can literally say anything you want. The problem is that this country has gone so far in terms of censorship that they lost common sense and logic.

I think you are mixing things a bit here. "Free speech" is not absolutely free. Or, at least, it's not free as in "without consequences". Sure, no one can prevent you from actually saying literally anything you want. They can't gag you and stop you from saying, for example, that you love Hitler. But that doesn't mean that what you say will not have consequences because it's protected under "freedom of speech". Article 19 of the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights clearly states that:

1. Everyone shall have the right to hold opinions without interference.

2. Everyone shall have the right to freedom of expression; this right shall include freedom to seek, receive and impart information and ideas of all kinds, regardless of frontiers, either orally, in writing or in print, in the form of art, or through any other media of his choice.

The exercise of the rights provided for in paragraph 2 of this article carries with it special duties and responsibilities. It may therefore be subject to certain restrictions, but these shall only be such as are provided by law and are necessary:

(a) For respect of the rights or reputations of others;

(b) For the protection of national security or of public order (ordre public), or of public health or morals.

Your reply was the United Nations treaty? BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

I should show this post to Libya, Syria, Iraq, Iran, Turkey, Brazil, China, and Cuba. I'm sure they'll all get a good laugh.

By the Constitution of the United States of America, free speech means FREE speech. Moreover, the Anti-Defamation League has gone to great lengths to ensure that it means EVERYONE, including (whether we like it or not) the Ku Klux Klan, the Aryan Brotherhood, the Westboro Baptist Church, and other forms of speech we may not necessarily want to hear.

Unfortunately, thanks to modern government and their love of censorship, free speech is becoming less and less relevant everyday.

Take a look at the time, place and manner restrictions of the first amendment.

#198 Posted by BestUsernameEver (4825 posts) -

@jace said:

That's insanity. Fuck Canada.

BRB SOMEONES AT THE D

The police want your D.

#199 Posted by Brodehouse (9588 posts) -

@streetninja: The restrictions on free speech or liberty are there to prevent one from infringing on the free speech or liberty of others. A sarcastic comment does not constitute this, it doesn't even constitute a credible threat.

#200 Posted by Khann (2788 posts) -

He didn't even make a threat. It was a silly sarcastic comment. Yeah, a little tasteless maybe, but seriously, if making tasteless comments gets you locked up for months, then I don't even know what to think anymore.