#1 Edited by Jeust (10680 posts) -

Like some people that hang in Giant Bomb know, on the blog Tsurupeta was posted an open letter from mangaka (manga writter)  Nogami Takeshi - responsible for works like Koutetsu no shoujo-tachi, Serafuku to juusensha, and various works for Strike Witches - adressing the CNN uproar.  
 
Here is the letter. 
 

Dear CNN reporter,

I am an author of manga [Japanese comic books]. I started out drawing hentai manga. I put out hentai books. Of course, I also draw manga that aren't hentai. Nowadays, most of my work consists of non-hentai manga.

I have seen your news report that tries to stir up fear, prejudice and misunderstanding. I have no connection with the spiffy hentai game featured in your report, I am sorry to say; however as an author of Japanese hentai manga, I think I am well qualified to object to the views you present. As this objection had to be put together promptly, precise data will be presented later, but it is a fact that in this 21st century, we Japanese enjoy one of the most safe and peaceful societies on Earth. Naturally, that is not to say that our society is without problems, but to be honest, I frankly do not think that you are the ones to tell us.

Men and women are equals in politics and in the law. Your society and ours are no different there. Moreover, the crime rate statistics for both general crime and sex crime in Japan are, with all due respect, several times lower than in the United States. Did you, for instance, fear for your safety while walking the streets of Akihabara, or Ikebukuro (holy ground of hentai books for women)? They're probably many times safer than the streets of New York, let alone those of the suburban housing districts around. (And guns are illegal, too.) Furthermore, in our Akihabara and Ikebukuro, there is no persecution of men or women alike, or of sexual minorities like homosexuals. We all live together in peace, expressing ourselves freely. It also goes without saying that human trafficking and violence against women are serious crimes in Japan too. As a Japanese citizen, I am deeply offended by the insulting implications of that so-called expert who associates Japanese people at large with heinous criminals. Is hentai detrimental to the upbringing of children? Yes, it some circumstances it may well be the case. It certainly true, for instance, of that game you reported about. I am an average citizen with a younger sister and two nephews; I can relate to your concerns. And precisely as such, I beg to differ with your argument.

Those products are developed for rational adults. You surely don't believe that a rational adult would be influenced by such a game into committing rape, do you? Of course, in Japan, both that game you reported about and the hentai manga I draw are only distributed and sold under strict age restrictions to adults.

That your children might obtain such materials on the Internet is a trouble for us as well. Those are pirated copies. We would be grateful if you could let families and schools issue proper warnings to children. And would it be too much to ask that appropriate age restrictions are put in place in stores in your country so that the rational adults can buy legitimate copies?

By the way, in the proud Japanese traditional popular art of ukiyo-e (woodblock prints from the Edo period), there were many works with sexual subjects, called shunga. You did like these too, didn't you? Well, we are their successors. We make works of art. Let me say that again. It is just art. I assume that you are capable of distinguishing fiction from reality like we do. Are you not? Obscenity? Ah well, on that point, I would rather quote from the book beside your bed.

"But Jesus went to the Mount of Olives. At dawn he appeared again in the temple courts, where all the people gathered around him, and he sat down to teach them. The teachers of the law and the Pharisees brought in a woman caught in adultery. They made her stand before the group and said to Jesus, “Teacher, this woman was caught in the act of adultery. In the Law Moses commanded us to stone such women. Now what do you say?” They were using this question as a trap, in order to have a basis for accusing him. But Jesus bent down and started to write on the ground with his finger. When they kept on questioning him, he straightened up and said to them, “If any one of you is without sin, let him be the first to throw a stone at her.” Again he stooped down and wrote on the ground. At this, those who heard began to go away one at a time, the older ones first, until only Jesus was left, with the woman still standing there. Jesus straightened up and asked her, “Woman, where are they? Has no one condemned you?” “No one, sir,” she said. “Then neither do I condemn you,” Jesus declared. “Go now and leave your life of sin.” (John 8:1–11)"

I am afraid I am Buddhist, not Christian, but I respect your Lord nonetheless. His word that you, me and all mankind are hentai is pregnant with meaning. Yet, there is a difference between “His” views (that you share) and mine. I do not think that people being hentai is a sin. There is nothing wrong with rational people being hentai. I, at any rate, do not see anything wrong with that. Do you?

Sincerely,
Takeshi Nogami.      

For a bit more of context, the UN rape report for each 100,000 individuals
 
 Canada: 78.08
Australia: 77.79
USA: 32.05
Sweden: 24.47
UK: 16.23
France: 14.36
S. Korea: 12.98
Germany: 9.12
Russia: 4.78
Taiwan: 4.08
Japan: 1.78 
 
 
What do you think of the points he makes?
  
Do you agree with them? Or are they contrary to your beliefs? What's your stand? 
 
 
Credits for GodLen, on Anime Vice for the initial post about it.
#2 Posted by JB16 (745 posts) -

Good points until he brought religion into the argument, just leave shit like that alone.

#3 Posted by CornontheCobbe (2645 posts) -

I agree, the religion argument was a bit different, but other than that i still don't think that children should be playing this game in the first place, so his whole argument about children and illegal copies seems a bit strange.

#4 Posted by Creamypies (4070 posts) -

Gah... just let CNN be CNN.

#5 Posted by TheChaos (1158 posts) -

  His word that you, me and all mankind are hentai is pregnant with meaning.    

What?
#6 Posted by Ignor (2372 posts) -

What the hell Sweden?

#7 Posted by evanbrau (1162 posts) -

 
 "His word that you, me and all mankind are hentai"
 
???
 

#8 Posted by xMP44x (2193 posts) -

He made some good points but when he started using religion for it I figured it was pointless to read on. Because odds are someone will blow that out of proportion as well and then we'll be told that all Buddhists worship the devil or something idiotic like that. He does make some great points about it, but at the same time, if the game was to be released, people would be getting illegal copies of it and playing underage.

#9 Posted by Brendan (7817 posts) -

Lol at Canada's world beating rape record.  I'm so proud...
#10 Posted by RIDEBIRD (1233 posts) -
@Ignor said:
" What the hell Sweden? "
What can I say. We like a good rape! 
 
I don't know really. Racists here blame it on the immigrants, hardcore feminists blame it on men (period) and everyone else just shrugs and hope they don't get raped. Seriously though, WTF CANADA?! I always had the vision of the most awesome of countries. Now shattered. 
 
 It also seems that the open sexual climate for just about any and all weird shit in Japan is working out pretty good for them. They still need to rely on something else then Google translate when it comes to english skills however, I couldn't decipher that letter fully. I agree with his points though, except the religous bullshit. I see no harm in Rapelay and rape hentai or whatever, it probably just works the same way as violent movies and games, as an outlet for something.  Rather have someone with rape fantasies keep them at just fantasies or act them out in a video game then do the actual deed, so his letter is pretty much common sense.
#11 Posted by Bionicicide (1213 posts) -

His Engrish is better than my Japanese at least...

#12 Posted by Lowbrow (840 posts) -
@Brendan said:
" Lol at Canada's world beating rape record.  I'm so proud... "
Keep in mind someone needs to report a sexual assault before a number gets added. Many rape victims still keep quiet about it, for various reasons.
#13 Posted by Brendan (7817 posts) -

@Lowbrow said:

" @Brendan said:
" Lol at Canada's world beating rape record.  I'm so proud... "
Keep in mind someone needs to report a sexual assault before a number gets added. Many rape victims still keep quiet about it, for various reasons. "


 

True, I suppose that means Canadian women just overcome their fears and let it be known, well done to them.
#14 Posted by baconbits33 (1156 posts) -

I'm still confused.... who the fuck told CNN about Rapelay? Seriously.....

#15 Edited by Alexander (1721 posts) -
@Jeust:  perhaps should have included the CNN report. Also the video AV linked to: 
 
   
 
They are very late to the party, the article and video are sensationalist (CNN is a poor news network, what would you expect? THINK OF THE CHILDREN) but they aren't linking rape games to actual rape, which is partly what Mr. Nogami seems to be griping over. Nor does the article give an assessment of the state of sexual equality in Japan. In fact there seems to be no opinion on anything to do with Japan, it's all to do with the game being available in the US. The comments over at Anime Vice are predictable to the point of being amusing. Mr. Nogami's open letter is almost as poor as CNN's ability to report news. It covers hardly anything on what CNN are "reporting" and then throws in some inane religious babble.  
 
So well done to CNN, Mr. Nogami and Anime Vice.
#16 Edited by Flaime (527 posts) -

His religious argument just states that there's nothing wrong with watching hentai, or am I wrong? And since a large group of the American population is religious, I can see why he felt a need to make this argument, because it would be "powerful".
 
But this doesn't change that his letter is out of context.

#17 Posted by jNerd (2013 posts) -

Anime is stupid. This isn't as bad as the Mass Effect "sex scandal" I actually gave a shit about that. 
The news will never report the facts, that isn't an interesting story.

#18 Edited by armaan8014 (5408 posts) -


 
  CNN's reply to his letter
#19 Posted by StrikerTheLizard (315 posts) -
@TheChaos said:
"

  His word that you, me and all mankind are hentai is pregnant with meaning.    

What? "
I dunno, but that made me hard.
#20 Posted by Sanj (2405 posts) -

For the love of all that is good and holy

 
please let this fucking story DIE.

#21 Posted by ArbitraryWater (11806 posts) -

I like how the letter has absolutley nothing to do with the news report. Also, the attempt to appeal to Christianity was well meaning, but kinda... out of context.

#22 Posted by Napalm (9020 posts) -

Can we put this shit away, please? Can we stop feeding this crap? It's not helping anybody.

#23 Posted by s7evn (1072 posts) -

His arguments are valid. I don't think the US Media should try to press their conservative ethics on the Japanese, especially something that is ingrained in their culture (as he mentioned the  ukiyo-e ).

#24 Posted by angelkanarias (1440 posts) -
@TheChaos said:
"

  His word that you, me and all mankind are hentai is pregnant with meaning.    

What? "
that. I agree with everything I could understant, I didn't really get his bible quote. Anyways, watching kill-bill won't make me a killer, so neither will this. And I think the US isn't the most adequate country to accuse japan, as we see on that UN report.
#25 Edited by luce (4045 posts) -

" @TheChaos said:

"

  His word that you, me and all mankind are hentai is pregnant with meaning.    

What? "
I think "hentai" is Japanese for "perverted" 
 
I heard that somewhere so dont quote me on it
#26 Posted by Kohe321 (3529 posts) -

It's not news, it's SEE ENN ENN!

#27 Edited by HitmanAgent47 (8576 posts) -

He's right, since japan is a sexually  liberal country there is less rape. I am not suprised at the high level of rape in the u.s, canada and australia because those countries has higher age of concent, not to mention mental hangups on the issue of sex. It seems like the west doesn't care about violence and has mental problems regarding sex. Maybe the solution to that rape problem is to be more open to the idea of sex as a culture. Japan is a mature culture and reconises sex is important, unlike the united states who's more backwards when it comes to sex which is only second to islamic countries plagued with imaturity towards sex. Rape is happening when people are repressed culturally.
 
He's right, hentai is an artform and the evolution of early type of porn artwork in a newer form. It's only for ppl that are over 18. Reporting on the game only makes more ppl aware of it which is counter productive.

#28 Posted by rjayb89 (7724 posts) -

I'm all for hentai if it lowers rape rates, bruh.

#29 Posted by ryanwho (12082 posts) -

Let's talk about this instead of real news.

#30 Posted by Video_Game_King (36272 posts) -

I love how he explains what manga is (or maybe CNN did that after the fact), but hentai remains completely unexplained. What does that say about the CNN demographic :P?

#31 Edited by sandwich_adjustment (685 posts) -

those "UN rape statistics" seem totally false but i dunno.. wtf more rape in canada than in russia

#32 Posted by ryanwho (12082 posts) -
@sandwich_adjustment said:
" those "UN rape statistics" seem totally false but i dunno.. wtf more rape in canada than in russia "
Canada's dirty little secret.
#33 Posted by raiz265 (2239 posts) -
@sandwich_adjustment said:
" those "UN rape statistics" seem totally false but i dunno.. wtf more rape in canada than in russia "
   
 
why shouldn't it be like that?
#34 Posted by Skald (4367 posts) -

CNN should report on rape rates in Canada.

#35 Posted by Semition (731 posts) -
@sandwich_adjustment said:
" those "UN rape statistics" seem totally false but i dunno.. wtf more rape in canada than in russia "
It doesn't account for rapes that go unreported. So essentially the statistics mean little to nothing.
 
Especially when you see that Canada is over 70 and Saudi Arabia is 0.26.
#36 Edited by Jeust (10680 posts) -
@sandwich_adjustment said:

" those "UN rape statistics" seem totally false but i dunno.. wtf more rape in canada than in russia "

these are the same statistics reported by Kotaku, in this article:  http://kotaku.com/5506016/why-is-cnn-talking-about-rapelay  
 
So you might not agree with them, but facts are facts. 
 
@Semition: Besides reading thoughts, this is the best way to measure it.  
#37 Posted by FrankCanada97 (4039 posts) -
@Jeust said:
" @sandwich_adjustment said:

" those "UN rape statistics" seem totally false but i dunno.. wtf more rape in canada than in russia "

these are the same statistics reported by Kotaku, in this article:  http://kotaku.com/5506016/why-is-cnn-talking-about-rapelay  
 
So you might not agree with them, but facts are facts. 
 
@Semition: Besides reading thoughts, this is the best way to measure it.   "
Those are facts no doubt, but they are incomplete and give a misleading impression. I think it is more telling that women in certain countries are more willing to report rape than others.
#38 Posted by ScottishGamer (215 posts) -

WOW! There must have been nothing happening on the day that this news story was put out... 
 
Why don't news network actually report NEWS and not absolute rubbish like this! 

#39 Edited by Jeust (10680 posts) -
@FrankCanada97 said:

" @Jeust said:

" @sandwich_adjustment said:

" those "UN rape statistics" seem totally false but i dunno.. wtf more rape in canada than in russia "

these are the same statistics reported by Kotaku, in this article:  http://kotaku.com/5506016/why-is-cnn-talking-about-rapelay  
 
So you might not agree with them, but facts are facts. 
 
@Semition: Besides reading thoughts, this is the best way to measure it.   "
Those are facts no doubt, but they are incomplete and give a misleading impression. I think it is more telling that women in certain countries are more willing to report rape than others. "
Yes that too, but you can't dismiss the data solely on that account. Despite the cultural differences, on the democratic countries, including the US and Japan, woman have the freedom and are advised to report such cases.  
#40 Posted by HatKing (5981 posts) -

Don't they say rape has very little to do with sexual attraction or urges and more to do with the rush of power?  In that case watching rape-porn is very different than commiting the act, because if you're watching porn you are likely doing so with a very specific purpose in mind, nothing to do with power.
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#41 Posted by FrankCanada97 (4039 posts) -
@Jeust said:
" @FrankCanada97 said:

" @Jeust said:

" @sandwich_adjustment said:

" those "UN rape statistics" seem totally false but i dunno.. wtf more rape in canada than in russia "

these are the same statistics reported by Kotaku, in this article:  http://kotaku.com/5506016/why-is-cnn-talking-about-rapelay  
 
So you might not agree with them, but facts are facts. 
 
@Semition: Besides reading thoughts, this is the best way to measure it.   "
Those are facts no doubt, but they are incomplete and give a misleading impression. I think it is more telling that women in certain countries are more willing to report rape than others. "
Yes that too, but you can't dismiss the data solely on that account. Despite the cultural differences, on the democratic countries, including the US and Japan, woman have the freedom and are advised to report such cases.   "
I'm not completely dismissing it, in fact, I think it may still be under represented. I'm just saying that you have to take those stats with a grain of salt.
#42 Posted by Jeust (10680 posts) -
@FrankCanada97 said:
" @Jeust said:
" @FrankCanada97 said:

" @Jeust said:

" @sandwich_adjustment said:

" those "UN rape statistics" seem totally false but i dunno.. wtf more rape in canada than in russia "

these are the same statistics reported by Kotaku, in this article:  http://kotaku.com/5506016/why-is-cnn-talking-about-rapelay  
 
So you might not agree with them, but facts are facts. 
 
@Semition: Besides reading thoughts, this is the best way to measure it.   "
Those are facts no doubt, but they are incomplete and give a misleading impression. I think it is more telling that women in certain countries are more willing to report rape than others. "
Yes that too, but you can't dismiss the data solely on that account. Despite the cultural differences, on the democratic countries, including the US and Japan, woman have the freedom and are advised to report such cases.   "
I'm not completely dismissing it, in fact, I think it may still be under represented. I'm just saying that you have to take those stats with a grain of salt. "
Of course. Statistics are hardly ever accurate. 
#43 Posted by themangalist (1737 posts) -

as so many thousand responses say, the rape figures show nothing at all. Looking at the japanese society, the rape numbers highly underestimate how many women were raped and did not report so. 
 
as much as we all hate western media bashing japanese, i still think we should think over it rationally.

#44 Posted by SoothsayerGB (1468 posts) -

 
I bet CNN payed him for that bs.  God damn CNN is worse then FOX news!  All their stories are made up and they never report all the real sides of the issue. 

#45 Posted by TheHT (11389 posts) -

who the hell is raping all these people in my country?!

#46 Edited by Jeust (10680 posts) -
@themangalist said: 

" as so many thousand responses say, the rape figures show nothing at all. Looking at the japanese society, the rape numbers highly underestimate how many women were raped and did not report so.   as much as we all hate western media bashing japanese, i still think we should think over it rationally. "

first of all there are no thousands, second of all, Japan is a democratic country where women are encourage to report rape. You should think about it rationally, just not denying it because it's convenient.
#47 Posted by Gabriel (4063 posts) -

why did he bring in Jesus when talking about Hentai Anime....

#48 Posted by evanbrau (1162 posts) -

These threads are better than television. That glorious Nippon post halfway down the second page was amazing.
 
In fairness I am no fan of anime but literally every side in this argument seems to be doing its best to look the worst. CNN is engaging in yellow journalism of the lowest standard and the author of that letters points make literally no sense while quoting stats that, as many have pointed out should be taken with huge caveats about the actual reporting of rapes in different cultures. Then come the sites like Anime Vice and Kotaku who are whining about some perceived anti-Japanese sentiment in the west and have creepy ass users coming out of the woodwork at the mere mention of this or the child pornography cases.
 
 This issue is the Valhalla of internet forum throw-downs, it will never be solved and will continue into infinity with each sides mighty forum warriors hurling themselves into topic after identical topic.