Reviews can't review Wii games what?

In this article it states that Wii games shouldn't be reviewed by so called "core" reviews because thats why they get bad scores but I am in the beleif that Wii games are just that mostly bad!
Source: http://www.joystiq.com/2009/06/19/lost-winds-dev-reviewers-are-a-problem-with-low-wii-metacriti/#comments
Your thoughts:

The game reviewers target audience are "core" gamers, so reviewing them in any other way would be pointless anyway. There may be a market for "casual" games sites, that are targeted to the wii mainstream, but the current games sites are not targeted towards that audience.

Even games that aren't targeted to "us" get good reviews if they're good games. Spongebob games get decent reviews, but don' believe the writer was stoked about playing it. It is a  problem, but the person that looks at metacritic is the type of person who would agree with Ign and 1up, not the mom shopping at Wal-Mart. 

So, the developer in question is complaining because core game reviewers are giving their shovelware bad reviews? I mean. Okay.

Whiny developer whines about reviews.  News at 11.

bad games get bad reviews.

" In this article it states that Wii games shouldn't be reviewed by so called "core" reviews because thats why they get bad scores but I am in the beleif that Wii games are just that mostly bad!
Source: http://www.joystiq.com/2009/06/19/lost-winds-dev-reviewers-are-a-problem-with-low-wii-metacriti/#commentsYour thoughts: "

So should movie reviewers also be limited in the types of movies they review? If a critic reviews a horror movie, they can't review a kid's movie? As captain_clayman pointed out, bad games [products] get bad reviews.

" So, the developer in question is complaining because core game reviewers are giving their shovelware bad reviews? I mean. Okay. "

" Even games that aren't targeted to "us" get good reviews if they're good games. Spongebob games get decent reviews, but don' believe the writer was stoked about playing it. It is a  problem, but the person that looks at metacritic is the type of person who would agree with Ign and 1up, not the mom shopping at Wal-Mart.  "

Wii games are mostly awful, why bother reviewing them if the target audience doesn't give a crap if it gets a 1/10 or a 10/10?

" Wii games are mostly awful, why bother reviewing them if the target audience doesn't give a crap if it gets a 1/10 or a 10/10? "

 its a waste of time having them reviewed
when they can review something actually worth their time

It's just a silly argument.

Kung Fu Panda seems like a pretty good example of a game that was geared towards a difference audience, and did alright critically. It's hard to find reviews that support the notion of a bad game simply being "misunderstood."

" It's just a silly argument.Kung Fu Panda seems like a pretty good example of a game that was geared towards a difference audience, and did alright critically. It's hard to find reviews that support the notion of a bad game simply being "misunderstood." "

" So, the developer in question is complaining because core game reviewers are giving their shovelware bad reviews? I mean. Okay. "

I'm sure 'Mom' spends hours checking out review scores on Metacritic and doesn't at all just buy the game with the prettiest box.

" @Godzilla_Sushi said:

" It's just a silly argument.Kung Fu Panda seems like a pretty good example of a game that was geared towards a difference audience, and did alright critically. It's hard to find reviews that support the notion of a bad game simply being "misunderstood." "

Nobody has said that any bad games were misunderstood. You seem to be about the tenth person on this thread to completely misrepresent the argument being put forward. Very frustrating. "

Casual people don't look at metacritic so who cares.

I think that David Breben and Peter Moore both have an excellent point.  Look at these forums.  How many of us are "casual" gamers?  How many of us actually give a fuck about Carnival Games coming out for the Wii?  However, look at the sales numbers for that game.  There's just a general difference in thinking between old-school gamers and new-school gamers, so what us "core" gamers think of as a GOOD game isn't the same as what "casual" gamers consider a GOOD game, and vice versa.

" I think that David Breben and Peter Moore both have an excellent point.  Look at these forums.  How many of us are "casual" gamers?  How many of us actually give a fuck about Carnival Games coming out for the Wii?  However, look at the sales numbers for that game.  There's just a general difference in thinking between old-school gamers and new-school gamers, so what us "core" gamers think of as a GOOD game isn't the same as what "casual" gamers consider a GOOD game, and vice versa.

Then again, I also think the division of "gamers" at this point is pretty ridiculous.

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" In this article it states that Wii games shouldn't be reviewed by so called "core" reviews because thats why they get bad scores but I am in the beleif that Wii games are just that mostly bad!
Source: http://www.joystiq.com/2009/06/19/lost-winds-dev-reviewers-are-a-problem-with-low-wii-metacriti/#commentsYour thoughts: "

i'm just saying it doesn't matter the audience the most wii games are bad even my non video game playing  once in a while "causal" girlfriend agreed some of the games were just garbage i mean a games a game its well made or not i mean look at mario gaxley great made game got great scores do you really expect fucking some poor ass game to get the same score because its "mom fun" whatever.

" i'm just saying it doesn't matter the audience the most wii games are bad even my non video game playing  once in a while "causal" girlfriend agreed some of the games were just garbage i mean a games a game its well made or not i mean look at mario gaxley great made game got great scores do you really expect fucking some poor ass game to get the same score because its "mom fun" whatever. "

I think what the guy is trying to say is that because the products are aimed at a completely different audience, they are judged by the two different audiences (traditional games media, and soccar mom + children) on completely different standards. Ergo, it's not only pointless to review games, but given you have different standard to the products target market, you are probably not going to like it, it's not really a case of better or worse, but that the target market these games are aimed at doesnt want the same thing as we do, and they may enjoy Wii Fit or Wii Sports, or Carnival Games as much as we would enjoy something like Mass Effect or Bioshock.

In that sense, it would be like a videogames website reviewing a toy, or book, it's simply not a product aimed at them or their viewers/readers, so their review is not only going to be read by people the game isn't even targeted at, but its a waste of the reviewers time to do so (given that he has to keep traffic coming to his website) but the only possible outcome of giving the game a low metacritic score is that (with some publishers) the developers don't get paid bonus. Regardless if the games goes on to sell hella copies (like a lot of casual games do)

So in essence, nobody benefits when traditional videogames websites review products targeted at the casual audience (and when I say casual in this sense I mean soccar moms, families etc, people who play games with their family for a couple hours a week, not solitarily for 5 hours a day like the rest of us, the two different markets and their standards are as similar as chalk and cheese, it's all well and good saying games we like are 'better' but it's not what that market wants)

What Drain said. As an example, how does someone who hates sports titles review a soccer game? Or, to relate to more people here, how does a fanatic American football fan review a soccer title? Will he "get" the game or simply find it stupid? Will he take the time to see the strategy and skill it may involve or is the core concept so repulsive it will just make no sense? Will he even see the relations to the real sport and make comparisons? It's a similar situation with some of these "casual" Wii games. It's been said already that there are exceptions, but only because they appeal to both casual and core gamers alike. There's also the fact casual "shovelware" was ignored by the media in past generations (I don't recall seeing the PlayStation's Barbie titles in magazine covers or anything, now they're on the front pages of all snarky writers thinking they're being clever). Now the good Wii titles are ignored by many, and shovelware's promoted just to make fun of it. Meh.

It's ironic to see Brad Shoemaker's review for The Legendary Starfy come up on the site. To quote him - "kids will probably eat it right up" etc, and he seems incredibly positive about the game as a children's title. But the game is only given 3 stars, which presumably equates to a lowly 60% on metacritic.