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Posted by CouldntThinkofaUsername (1 posts) -

As of late there has been a lot of talk about sexism and bigotry in media. The video game and comic industry in particular. The problem I have is that people complaining about this ignore the fact that bigotry for better or worse is everywhere throughout all mediums. Women are often objectified, but men are treated as expendable and stupid. Many tv shows, commercials and movies feature stupid clueless men who can't do anything or are portrayed as sexually aggressive neanderthals. Women, while often viewed as sex objects are also in turn made more capable than their male counterparts and use their sex appeal to take advantage of the "stupid" "sex obsessed" "loser" men. Men also have body image issues as well, we often have to see good looking, charming shirtless ab loaded men, on magazines and in movies, just as women have to deal with seeing lovely "perfect" starlets in the same formats. We have to deal with being compared to Don Draper or The Twilght dudes, the Heimsworth brothers etc. However when a man says something about feeling insecure they face ridicule.

Arkham City is a prime example of a developer making a quality product that was largely overshadowed by it's controversy, Catwoman had many male gaze moments and was frequently called a bitch, Talia Al-Ghul and Harley Quinn received similar treatment. However critics ignore the fact that many male prisoners and cops in the game where brutally tortured, beaten up and murdered by the games end. Meanwhile Catwoman was every bit as capable as Batman and even saves his life, she also beats the hell out of anyone who crosses her path, even tier 1 Bat Villain Two Face. These same critics ignore the positive portrayal of the women in the game because it went against their agenda. Lastly male characters like Bruce Wayne, Jack Ryder and political prisoners are degraded and belittled every but the same as the lady characters because they're viewed as weak and non threats, not because of they're gender.

While women are often sexualized in the media, men are often vilified in media. Men are predominately the faceless bad guy goon; the pervert, the rapist, the ego maniac who wants to destroy the world, etc. even when a woman is portrayed as a villain they're often either the old and evil mother, or "The Bitch" in a romantic drama/comedy or film set in a school. Otherwise they are usually a grey area villain who can easily turn to the side of good. Critics often complain that the oversexualizing of women in media promotes unhealthy self image for women, but in real life women literally have all the power in establishing relationships. Men don't worry about the things women's make-up and hair commercials sell themselves on. In reality it's the man who has to "be perfect", be charming be attractive be cool, be flawless in hopes that the woman you're talking to does not reject you. It's men who the media force the idea of being promiscuous on. They sell a notion of "If you don't have lots of sexual partners you're a loser" or "Being a virgin and a male is a bad thing". Romantic novels strongly objectify men just as much as video media can objectify women, yet if a man where to express concern about this it falls upon mocking ears.

There is a reason why there is a significantly high suicide rate for men than there is for women. There's a reason why so many sad lonely angry men exist in the world and find a home on the internet, because while society sexualizes women, they put the different equally unfair sigmas and pressure on men, who in turn can never complain for better or for worse about it. Men need to be perfect and thus can never express depression, insecurity about their bodies, and other emotional tropes labeled towards women, however because they have no outlet to express this without mockery and thus added humiliation some turn to the internet and become the vile, bad seeds that fill comment sections on websites(not always), the monsters at back of dark alleys looking for prey and many keep it inside and suffer silently. Men are so looked down upon by certain people in the media they feel we need to get sexual satisfaction from comic books and video games, because they think we're pathetic. I personally find that insulting.

In conclusion if we just accept the fact that slander; objectification, classism, political byass, racism, bigotry, and all other negative tropes intentional or not will exist forever. If we accept that they can be found in all mediums against all sides if you look in the right place. And if we stop for a second, open up a history book and remind ourselves about what real bigotry, hatred and ignorance once was. We'd live in better less sensitive world.

#1 Posted by CouldntThinkofaUsername (1 posts) -

As of late there has been a lot of talk about sexism and bigotry in media. The video game and comic industry in particular. The problem I have is that people complaining about this ignore the fact that bigotry for better or worse is everywhere throughout all mediums. Women are often objectified, but men are treated as expendable and stupid. Many tv shows, commercials and movies feature stupid clueless men who can't do anything or are portrayed as sexually aggressive neanderthals. Women, while often viewed as sex objects are also in turn made more capable than their male counterparts and use their sex appeal to take advantage of the "stupid" "sex obsessed" "loser" men. Men also have body image issues as well, we often have to see good looking, charming shirtless ab loaded men, on magazines and in movies, just as women have to deal with seeing lovely "perfect" starlets in the same formats. We have to deal with being compared to Don Draper or The Twilght dudes, the Heimsworth brothers etc. However when a man says something about feeling insecure they face ridicule.

Arkham City is a prime example of a developer making a quality product that was largely overshadowed by it's controversy, Catwoman had many male gaze moments and was frequently called a bitch, Talia Al-Ghul and Harley Quinn received similar treatment. However critics ignore the fact that many male prisoners and cops in the game where brutally tortured, beaten up and murdered by the games end. Meanwhile Catwoman was every bit as capable as Batman and even saves his life, she also beats the hell out of anyone who crosses her path, even tier 1 Bat Villain Two Face. These same critics ignore the positive portrayal of the women in the game because it went against their agenda. Lastly male characters like Bruce Wayne, Jack Ryder and political prisoners are degraded and belittled every but the same as the lady characters because they're viewed as weak and non threats, not because of they're gender.

While women are often sexualized in the media, men are often vilified in media. Men are predominately the faceless bad guy goon; the pervert, the rapist, the ego maniac who wants to destroy the world, etc. even when a woman is portrayed as a villain they're often either the old and evil mother, or "The Bitch" in a romantic drama/comedy or film set in a school. Otherwise they are usually a grey area villain who can easily turn to the side of good. Critics often complain that the oversexualizing of women in media promotes unhealthy self image for women, but in real life women literally have all the power in establishing relationships. Men don't worry about the things women's make-up and hair commercials sell themselves on. In reality it's the man who has to "be perfect", be charming be attractive be cool, be flawless in hopes that the woman you're talking to does not reject you. It's men who the media force the idea of being promiscuous on. They sell a notion of "If you don't have lots of sexual partners you're a loser" or "Being a virgin and a male is a bad thing". Romantic novels strongly objectify men just as much as video media can objectify women, yet if a man where to express concern about this it falls upon mocking ears.

There is a reason why there is a significantly high suicide rate for men than there is for women. There's a reason why so many sad lonely angry men exist in the world and find a home on the internet, because while society sexualizes women, they put the different equally unfair sigmas and pressure on men, who in turn can never complain for better or for worse about it. Men need to be perfect and thus can never express depression, insecurity about their bodies, and other emotional tropes labeled towards women, however because they have no outlet to express this without mockery and thus added humiliation some turn to the internet and become the vile, bad seeds that fill comment sections on websites(not always), the monsters at back of dark alleys looking for prey and many keep it inside and suffer silently. Men are so looked down upon by certain people in the media they feel we need to get sexual satisfaction from comic books and video games, because they think we're pathetic. I personally find that insulting.

In conclusion if we just accept the fact that slander; objectification, classism, political byass, racism, bigotry, and all other negative tropes intentional or not will exist forever. If we accept that they can be found in all mediums against all sides if you look in the right place. And if we stop for a second, open up a history book and remind ourselves about what real bigotry, hatred and ignorance once was. We'd live in better less sensitive world.

#2 Edited by EveretteScott (1452 posts) -

I agree with you. "slander; objectification, classism, political byass, racism, bigotry" etc go against both genders. Neither one is singled out and it needs to be acknowledged.

Whenever someone brings up Misandry, they automatically get put down like Misandry isn't real or 'actually that bad'. Or even personally attacked that just because they feel men have to deal with these things as well they must be against women. That's just part of the problem. There's nothing wrong with lobbying for one side over he other do to personal standings, but ignoring or diminishing another is much worse.

#3 Posted by JuggernautSwagger (7 posts) -

It is hard to look at both sides of an issue when the media only ever represents one side or the other. FoxNews only caters to the right and CNN caters left etc.

#4 Posted by SexualBubblegumX (542 posts) -

*Stands up and starts a slow clap*

#5 Posted by TheHumanDove (2523 posts) -

I hated the ending of mass effect 3 too

#6 Posted by GnaTSoL (792 posts) -

Wow amazing..... But have you noticed no one in opposition has replied? It's because you've created such valid points that they can't make a counter-argument! The truth is in their faces and they don't know what to do with it.

#7 Posted by ShiftyMagician (2129 posts) -

It was a good read and I pretty much agree with what's being said here.

#8 Posted by sBlacksmith (77 posts) -

In Brazil we have a different word for this, called 'machismo' (machism.).. which is both about male superiority as it is about repression of 'inferior' males that don't fit that very specific mold.

I find that Sexism, Misogyny, Chauvinist don't exactly portray the same picture as well..

Males that don't drink, enjoy sports, have short hair or shaved heads, take ANY opportunity given to have sex, have sex before 15 years of age, etc.. are all considered unmanly and repressed by both males and females. Mothers constantly bug sons about any 'unmanly' trace and encourage them to do 'manly' things such as fucking housekeeper's and their daughters (often hired for such purpose in first place.) etc..

I guess it's just as frequent in US as here, jocks and all, in a different form.

http://www.wikigender.org/index.php/Machismo

#9 Posted by TheDudeOfGaming (6078 posts) -

Great read, but I do think we have it easier because we can get shit faced and not be judged because of it and...
  

  Now that's venting. 
#10 Posted by Oldirtybearon (4672 posts) -
#11 Posted by bio595 (307 posts) -

Like freedom ain't free, equality ain't equal.

#12 Posted by Morrow (1829 posts) -

@CouldntThinkofaUsername:

The problem is that the sexualisation of women can lead to real violence/rape. Yes, it can also lead to the same regarding men. But a man has a more equal chance to fight another man than a woman has.

#13 Posted by Grimace (376 posts) -

Can somebody send the OP to Arthur Gies, Patrick Klepek and every other member of the gaming press who's had their hysteria pitchfork out for one reason or another over the past week?

#14 Posted by mandude (2669 posts) -

@Morrow said:

@CouldntThinkofaUsername: The problem is that the sexualisation of women can lead to real violence/rape. Yes, it can also lead to the same regarding men. But a man has a more equal chance to fight another man than a woman has.

The kinds of men that get picked on generally don't have an equal chance.

#15 Posted by pornstorestiffi (4909 posts) -

@Grimace said:

Can somebody send the OP to Arthur Gies, Patrick Klepek and every other member of the gaming press who's had their hysteria pitchfork out for one reason or another over the past week?

Would be good to shut up Arthur for a while, that man can get on my nerves.

#16 Posted by Metzo_Paino (318 posts) -

I don't agree with every point, for instance in Batman every woman is hyper sexualised which is the problem. It's fine to have some hyper sexualised characters like Catwoman if there are also other representations of women, while the male side in Arkham City has many different types, butch brutes, weedy intellectuals, confident lead etc. But I suppose there is an argument that everything in Batman is hyper sexualised because everyone's jumping around in latex and stuff.

Anyway, I don't agree with every point, but you put your points across well, just like I don't agree with every point of the woman from feminist frequency, but she also puts her opinions across well. This type of stuff is whats needed for positive discussion and not mindless mud slinging.

#17 Posted by Galiant (2193 posts) -
@Morrow

@CouldntThinkofaUsername:

The problem is that the sexualisation of women can lead to real violence/rape. Yes, it can also lead to the same regarding men. But a man has a more equal chance to fight another man than a woman has.

That's your argument? Men are better at fighting other men than women, so they can better defend themselves against rape caused by sexualization(!) and that's somehow the entire issue here?

I can't even begin to tell you how stupid I think that sounds. I'm a programmer, I don't work out, and I've never been in a fight. What do you think my chances are of being able to defend myself from rape compared to yours??

I'm not trying to defend sexualization here, but where the hell did you find evidence that sexualuzation in media leads to violence and rape? I am exposed to sexualization in media on a daily basis, and I'm yet to beat up or rape anyone.

Help me out here. I want to understand where you're coming from with this.
#18 Posted by Morrow (1829 posts) -

@Galiant said:

@Morrow

@CouldntThinkofaUsername:

The problem is that the sexualisation of women can lead to real violence/rape. Yes, it can also lead to the same regarding men. But a man has a more equal chance to fight another man than a woman has.

That's your argument? Men are better at fighting other men than women, so they can better defend themselves against rape caused by sexualization(!) and that's somehow the entire issue here? I can't even begin to tell you how stupid I think that sounds. I'm a programmer, I don't work out, and I've never been in a fight. What do you think my chances are of being able to defend myself from rape compared to yours?? I'm not trying to defend sexualization here, but where the hell did you find evidence that sexualuzation in media leads to violence and rape? I am exposed to sexualization in media on a daily basis, and I'm yet to beat up or rape anyone. Help me out here. I want to understand where you're coming from with this.

No, that's not "my argument", I just felt like pointing it out. It's an example.

And yes, I do think that individuals who are exposed to certain circumstances can develop a bluntness towards it. For example, I read about men who have been exposed to pornography on a daily basis and developed erectile dysfunctions when being with "real" women. Same goes for violence, there are numerous studies about how people who are regularly exposed to violence, both in real life or through the media, are desensitized to violence. Which can lead to a higher risk of actually being violent. It's a possibility.

And I'm sure even if you're not sporty, you could defend yourself at least better against a man than I could. Men are born with a higher amount of muscle, so in most cases, they're naturally stronger.

#19 Posted by Vodun (2370 posts) -

And yet when a woman (for example) is identified in a multiplayer game, she is instantly chastised for playing games intended for guys or getting sexual invitations...So far I've never felt like I was treated differently solely based on what was dangling between my legs. I get that if I'm playing badly. A woman gets shit no matter what she does, even worse if she does better than the little boys she's playing with.

Just the fact that you identify specific types of men in your post, but "women" is a single group shows a lot of the problems here. Men are different and varied, but all women are the same.

We have a major problem where a lot of men are still given a base instinct that they're better than women. I don't know how to solve it, and neither do these game "journalists". But you have to be a fucking moron not to see that it still exists.

#20 Posted by Morrow (1829 posts) -

@Vodun said:

And yet when a woman (for example) is identified in a multiplayer game, she is instantly chastised for playing games intended for guys or getting sexual invitations...So far I've never felt like I was treated differently solely based on what was dangling between my legs. I get that if I'm playing badly. A woman gets shit no matter what she does, even worse if she does better than the little boys she's playing with.

Just the fact that you identify specific types of men in your post, but "women" is a single group shows a lot of the problems here. Men are different and varied, but all women are the same.

We have a major problem where a lot of men are still given a base instinct that they're better than women. I don't know how to solve it, and neither do these game "journalists". But you have to be a fucking moron not to see that it still exists.

Very well said.

#21 Posted by MideonNViscera (2257 posts) -

Sexism will always exist as long as men keep witnessing women go absolutely batshit crazy over nothing.

#22 Posted by Vodun (2370 posts) -

@MideonNViscera said:

Racism will always exist as long as whites keep witnessing blacks go absolutely batshit crazy over nothing.

I changed three words, is your comment still ok? No? But when it was aimed at women it was...odd that.

#23 Posted by Morrow (1829 posts) -

@MideonNViscera said:

Sexism will always exist as long as men keep witnessing women go absolutely batshit crazy over nothing.

That's your justification for sexism? Because some women overreact sometimes?

Gosh, I really need to stay out of those sexism threads. Or else I might lose hope in men completely.

#24 Posted by mandude (2669 posts) -

@MideonNViscera said:

Sexism will always exist as long as men keep witnessing women go absolutely batshit crazy over nothing.

Hahahaha. This is sexism.

#25 Posted by Hugh_Jazz (341 posts) -

@mandude said:

@MideonNViscera said:

Sexism will always exist as long as men keep witnessing women go absolutely batshit crazy over nothing.

Hahahaha. This is sexism.

Recursion at its finest.

#26 Edited by Moreau_MD (402 posts) -

The OP is trying to use the 'egalitarian' argument that has popped up quite a bit over the last few days. I.e men get shit just as much as women do.

There are two problems with this argument. The first is that it is myopic, only focusing on the portrayal of women/men in the media, the second is that it hasn't been properly contextualised. The fact remains that women still don't have anywhere near the same employment opportunities as men, for example. A perfect instance of this can actually be found in the media itself. My aunt became the first female television director in all of Western Australia ten years ago (yep ten, not thirty or even twenty, only ten). Since that time she has had to deal with mysogony of the worst sort- from the usual cat calls among the male staff, to being actively ignored by camera men, lighting specialists etc simply because she was a woman. This is happening right now and its happening in many other places of work all across the supposedly 'civilized' western world. You may try and counter this by saying men have to deal with shit in the work place plenty too. This is true, but not because they're men. Being a woman in todays society carries a whole load of extra baggage with it in certain instances. As long as we continue to objectify, overly sexualize, and glorify acts of rape in the media- this baggage will continue to pile up pricesely because (as said) we will continue to become desensitised to it. This means that we won't just continue to ignore the problem but continue to perpetrate to a greater degree as well as it is perceived to be more and more meaningless. The glass ceiling is still very much in place.

Contextually speaking, the OP has also failed to recognise that, historically, women have been viewed as second class citizens for over two millennia. The enlightenment and a few decades of peace and love isn't going to change that over night- we still have a long way to go and all this recent vileness in video-games and the media (see Kanye's latest 'monster' music video) is only hurting the process. In fact, I'd go as far as saying it's very much a step backwards. Compare genuinely awesome and strong women in punk rock to flakes like Keisha and Rhianna now (both essentially soft-core porn stars). Compare 90's MTV's 'Daria' to Jeresy Shore's 'Snookie' now. Hell, even compare the old Lara Croft to the new (yes, she may have had a larger bust back then, but she was very much the cool chick in control of the situation)- now she's a glorified abuse simulator where I as 'the big strong male player' get to come in and save this 'little girl' from herself (don't think that's how it's meant to be taken? Listen to the game's creator, sickening stuff really). Women's rights/ empowerment has gone to shit in the last ten years and simply sticking our heads in the sand and saying it's all on 'overreaction' is basically just weak-mindedness.

#27 Posted by TruthTellah (8723 posts) -

@CouldntThinkofaUsername: I think others have already responded to your thoughts well enough; I just wanted to note something on your mentioning of suicide rates between men and women. You seem to misunderstand what data is out there and its connection to how unhappy men are vs women. Historically, men are more likely to commit suicide than women, but women actually have a higher chance of attempting suicide than men. In recent years, men die four times as often as women do when attempting suicide, but women are over three times more likely to attempt suicide than men. You see far more women who attempt suicide, but since they often choose less violent means than men do, they end up statistically having less actual suicides than men.

So, it isn't a matter of men disproportionately being sadder in the world and thus having more suicides. It's a matter of men commonly using more violent means of suicide than women, leading to a disproportionate amount of actual completed suicides. For attempted suicides, and thus related to general sadness or troubled minds, women still outnumber men overall. Thus, this would actually suggest that women are more often unhappy with their lives than men. Though, I would say the only truly clear conclusion we can make from current suicide data is just that men regularly choose more violent means for suicide, thus leading to more successful suicides per year.

#28 Posted by algertman (852 posts) -

Remember, most feminist don't want equality. They want absolute dominance over men.

Also, when did the gaming press become so pussy whipped? They same type of stuff they are crying about now they've supported for years.

#29 Posted by SuperTaylor (8 posts) -
@algertman No.
#30 Posted by Mirked (8 posts) -

"Overly sexualized" is a term used by people uncomfortable being human. Even if you aren't into what is considered to be sexy to the main stream, you do have something that you consider sexually attractive. I often find that the people who crusade against this particular cause are control freaks. They want to tell people they can or can not do. They want to stifle others sexuality or creativity and bring it down to their level. This is why the feminist movement doesn't garner much respect anymore. From top to bottom it's filled with people like this. They treat women worse then they claim men do, and will actively seek to chastise women who don't share all of their opinions on the matter.

Fact of the matter is, I don't go to e3, but if some attractive women want to dress up in skimpy clothing for money it's their choice. No one made them, so let it be. Same with porn stars, artists, writers, and Hollywood for both sexes. We are a sexual species through and through. If you see something sexualized that makes you uncomfortable in the media it's best to move on. Sex, it's almost as old as life itself, accept it.

#31 Posted by Grimace (376 posts) -

@Mirked said:

Fact of the matter is, I don't go to e3, but if some attractive women want to dress up in skimpy clothing for money it's their choice. No one made them, so let it be. Same with porn stars, artists, writers, and Hollywood for both sexes. We are a sexual species through and through. If you see something sexualized that makes you uncomfortable in the media it's best to move on. Sex, it's almost as old as life itself, accept it.

This. It's as if the gaming press expect us to believe that these "booth babes" (I hate this term) were hoodwinked into working E3 - like they woke up one day in a bath full of ice with a Wii U shirt on and an E3 pass around their neck. They're adults and they can make their own decisions.

#32 Posted by wjb (1653 posts) -

@Vodun said:

And yet when a woman (for example) is identified in a multiplayer game, she is instantly chastised for playing games intended for guys or getting sexual invitations...So far I've never felt like I was treated differently solely based on what was dangling between my legs. I get that if I'm playing badly. A woman gets shit no matter what she does, even worse if she does better than the little boys she's playing with.

Just the fact that you identify specific types of men in your post, but "women" is a single group shows a lot of the problems here. Men are different and varied, but all women are the same.

We have a major problem where a lot of men are still given a base instinct that they're better than women. I don't know how to solve it, and neither do these game "journalists". But you have to be a fucking moron not to see that it still exists.

Well said.

I always never know what to say in these threads because I get the feeling I'm speaking to inexperienced teenage boys or males with buried resentment towards women (or the "special treatment" women receive. I don't know what the means, exactly? Like "ladies night" at bars, I guess? Ordering first at restaurants?). I've said this in another thread, but I'm an adult white, heterosexual male. I feel like I have nothing to really complain about (at least compared to others), and I'm totally okay with that. I'm not understanding the rampant displays of victimization of the male gender here. I understand that they feel like their lifestyle is being "threatened" by evil feminists, but I think males have done quite well for themselves since...ever. Awesome show, great job, guys!

The rape comparisons put me off, as well. I'm not saying a woman cannot rape a man, nor am I saying it isn't an issue when it does happen, but it isn't exactly in the same ballpark as male-on-female rape/violence. I'm sorry. No matter what sources someone has, I'm not buying the idea that there are hordes of sex-crazed Amazonian women all over the world sexually assaulting weak and effete-looking men on an equal basis.

#33 Posted by drag (1223 posts) -

@Grimace said:

@Mirked said:

Fact of the matter is, I don't go to e3, but if some attractive women want to dress up in skimpy clothing for money it's their choice. No one made them, so let it be. Same with porn stars, artists, writers, and Hollywood for both sexes. We are a sexual species through and through. If you see something sexualized that makes you uncomfortable in the media it's best to move on. Sex, it's almost as old as life itself, accept it.

This. It's as if the gaming press expect us to believe that these "booth babes" (I hate this term) were hoodwinked into working E3 - like they woke up one day in a bath full of ice with a Wii U shirt on and an E3 pass around their neck. They're adults and they can make their own decisions.

literally no-one has ever suggested this?

#34 Posted by JonyJC (9 posts) -

This website is starting to police for feminism and will soon start to suck, I'm not saying objectifying women is right or that babe booths aren't dumb, they are and as a man I feel insulted and ashamed, but this is a video game website not a sociopolitical blog.

#35 Posted by Mirked (8 posts) -

@will_leisure said:

I always never know what to say in these threads because I get the feeling I'm speaking to inexperienced teenage boys or males with buried resentment towards women (or the "special treatment" women receive. I don't know what the means, exactly? Like "ladies night" at bars, I guess? Ordering first at restaurants?). I've said this in another thread, but I'm an adult white, heterosexual male. I feel like I have nothing to really complain about (at least compared to others), and I'm totally okay with that. I'm not understanding the rampant displays of victimization of the male gender here. I understand that they feel like their lifestyle is being "threatened" by evil feminists, but I think males have done quite well for themselves since...ever. Awesome show, great job, guys!

This is one example of the kinds of gender inequality that men face. Another example would be in domestic disputes. If a man calls the cops because his wife/partner is beating him he is seen as a sissy, or also the fact that the man will be the one going to jail and not the woman, usually. Fact is that it does exist on both sides, but not in the same ways. Arguing who has it worse just degrades the issue. Denying it exists for men entirely is just ignorance.

#36 Posted by MideonNViscera (2257 posts) -

@Vodun said:

@MideonNViscera said:

Racism will always exist as long as whites keep witnessing blacks go absolutely batshit crazy over nothing.

I changed three words, is your comment still ok? No? But when it was aimed at women it was...odd that.

That'd make sense if black people were fucking crazy. In reality, you're a dipshit haha

#37 Posted by Aronman789 (2676 posts) -

If we're ever going to get over this "equality" thing, we need to deal with the problems on both sides, and I can't see either gender roles evaporating unless we have some sort of severe culture revolution.

Let's go burn down all the media outlets! Who's with me?

#38 Posted by MideonNViscera (2257 posts) -

@Morrow said:

@MideonNViscera said:

Sexism will always exist as long as men keep witnessing women go absolutely batshit crazy over nothing.

That's your justification for sexism? Because some women overreact sometimes?

Gosh, I really need to stay out of those sexism threads. Or else I might lose hope in men completely.

It's the only form of sexism I'm guilty of, so yeah. I dunno why some countries keep women locked up and beat them or whatever, but I do know why I don't generally listen to women haha

#39 Posted by drag (1223 posts) -

@EveretteScott: people shouting 'misandry' deserve to be made fun of. the only problem is that those making fun of them will rarely explain why, and so those raising the issue of men's right typically assume it's because people don't care about issues affecting men. when in actuality it's because they are pinning the cause of these problems on ridiculous ideas.

misandry itself - firstly on the subject of 'not existing', essentially it doesn't. but! everyone shouts. but! there's loads of women who hate men! ... okay, sure, there are women that hate men. but in discussions of these issues at large, we are talking out against endemic, accepted and ingrained behaviours of our society. misandry simply does not exist on this level - and, hold on a second - 'but what about the men', i know. here:

secondly - on the issue of using misandry as the cause of any (most i guess) issues men have, is in itself typically misguided and totally inaccurate. this is the greatest shame of all because in reality we are all fighting against the same thing - misogyny and accepted patriarchal norms. misogyny firstly defines and then excludes - defines characteristics as masculine and that these characteristics are desirable, even correct. correct especially in men. defines characteristics as feminine, that these are inferior - and as such, not only are women carrying these characteristics inferior, but men displaying them are as well.

and so, men who don't behave in a 'manly' way are belittled and often discriminated against. that's the real damage behind people blaming misandry for stuff - it creates gender division, it says 'here's men's problems over here caused by misandry, and there's women's problems over there caused by misogyny' like we're in some pitched battle. when in reality - we are all in the same battle against a common enemy. we are all defined by and expected to act in a certain way by the culture & society we live in, and are punished for straying from what has become considered correct or normal.

#40 Posted by Dagbiker (6957 posts) -

I agree, Mass Effect 3 sucked balls.

#41 Posted by Morrow (1829 posts) -

@MideonNViscera said:

It's the only form of sexism I'm guilty of, so yeah. I dunno why some countries keep women locked up and beat them or whatever, but I do know why I don't generally listen to women haha

So why?

#42 Posted by algertman (852 posts) -

@MideonNViscera said:

Sexism will always exist as long as men keep witnessing women go absolutely batshit crazy over nothing.

Sexism will always exist as long as men are genetically superior to women.

#43 Posted by Clonedzero (4199 posts) -

why so many threads on this subject? everyday theres a new one.

#44 Posted by Clonedzero (4199 posts) -

@JonyJC said:

This website is starting to police for feminism and will soon start to suck, I'm not saying objectifying women is right or that babe booths aren't dumb, they are and as a man I feel insulted and ashamed, but this is a video game website not a sociopolitical blog.

exactly, i mean shit. everyday its someone over analyzing shit in video games say "see, tombraider really IS sexist"

who cares if it is? get over it. jesus.

#45 Edited by algertman (852 posts) -

@Moreau_MD said:

@algertman said:

@MideonNViscera said:

Sexism will always exist as long as men keep witnessing women go absolutely batshit crazy over nothing.

Sexism will always exist as long as men are genetically superior to women.

Troll harder troll.

I'm such a troll I gave the Tropes kickstarter money. It was also before she made her goal and way before the gaming press decided to white knight it.

So fuck off.

#46 Posted by Moreau_MD (402 posts) -

@algertman said:

@Moreau_MD said:

@algertman said:

@MideonNViscera said:

Sexism will always exist as long as men keep witnessing women go absolutely batshit crazy over nothing.

Sexism will always exist as long as men are genetically superior to women.

Troll harder troll.

I'm such a troll I gave the Tropes kickstarter money. It was also before she made her goal and way before the gaming press decided to white knight it.

So fuck off.

So you were being serious when you said 'men are genetically superior to women.'

That's just fucking dumb.

#47 Posted by Mirked (8 posts) -

@Moreau_MD: What you should take away from this is that he is not worth replying to. He is either a troll or so ignorant of reality that you shouldn't waste your time.

#48 Posted by Moreau_MD (402 posts) -

@Mirked said:

@Moreau_MD: What you should take away from this is that he is not worth replying to. He is either a troll or so ignorant of reality that you shouldn't waste your time.

Well, obviously. But I'm bored and a little curious as to the mindset of a guy like that.

#49 Posted by Irvandus (2875 posts) -

I expected this to be some dumb rant but this was actually a really good read, I tip my hat to you sir.

#50 Posted by flindip (533 posts) -

@drag said:

and so, men who don't behave in a 'manly' way are belittled and often discriminated against. that's the real damage behind people blaming misandry for stuff - it creates gender division, it says 'here's men's problems over here caused by misandry, and there's women's problems over there caused by misogyny' like we're in some pitched battle. when in reality - we are all in the same battle against a common enemy. we are all defined by and expected to act in a certain way by the culture & society we live in, and are punished for straying from what has become considered correct or normal.

Here is my rub:

Gender roles, and Gender division are NOT, imo, etherial social constructs. They are rooted in biological leanings(Psychologically, and physiologically). Men, generally, are going to act a certain way naturally and Women, generally, are going to act a certain way naturally. Outliners exist but they are exceptions not the rule. Social constructs, imo, are merely the expressions of those differences.

My issues with certain schools of thought of Feminism(not all of it) is that we can socially engineer the sexes into a genderless automaton. Some Feminists believe that the division between the sexes are completely artificial. That to me is horse shit.

There used to be a school of thought in child psychology that gender roles could be reversed:

Behold, this fucking horror show:

Lets just say, in the world of psychology, its not really a popular opinion any more.