Sony after more PSP GTA.

http://multiplayerblog.mtv.com/2009/02/27/more-psp-gta/

An interview with MTV:

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After two successful “

But Sony isn’t ready to let portable “GTA” out of its grasp.

“No one should sleep on that franchise,” 

Koller said he couldn’t recall when he found out that “GTA” was going to the DS after the PSP “

Regarding “Chinatown Wars,” Koller doesn’t see it squarely matching with the DS fanbase, which the classifies as predominantly under 12 years of age. “It’s an interesting launch on DS,” Koller said. It raises some eyebrows in a lot of areas. It’ll be interesting to see how that sells.”

“Grand Theft Auto: Chinatown Wars” ships on March 17. No new PSP “GTA” s are announced.

Rockstar Games declined to comment for this story.

I have both PSP games and they were horribly ordinary.  I am digging the graphical style of the DS version and I am fully expecting to actually enjoy a GTA game for the first time.

However, assuming the quote to be true, John Koller is your classic dickhead who tries to be mature by making ridiculous statements about the demographic of the DS in order to appear to be cool.  The DS has market appeal across the whole age spectrum.  Apart from that, the biggest market for GTA is teenage boys anyway.  Wanker.

That statement is very dickheadish, and it's become standard procedure from Sony reps in recent years.

GTA: Chinatown Wars looks surprising awesome, and on the evidence of hands on time that some have had with it, the game sounds great.

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Anyways, What more can RockStar do after the last GTA game for the PSP? There is no way San Andreas can ever work on the PSP.

Lol. Funny guy. So which is it then, one moment we hear that only 12 year olds have Nintendo systems, the next that only soccer moms do, the next that it's for old people to play golf, etc. I hope the game sells as good as other in-depth titles on the DS just to have his idiocy triumphantly shot down.

"The DS has market appeal across the whole age spectrum.  Apart from that, the biggest market for GTA is teenage boys anyway.  Wanker. "

Regarding “Chinatown Wars,” Koller doesn’t see it squarely matching with the DS fanbase, which the classifies as predominantly under 12 years of age. “It’s an interesting launch on DS,” Koller said. It raises some eyebrows in a lot of areas. It’ll be interesting to see how that sells.”

However, assuming the quote to be true, John Koller is your classic dickhead who tries to be mature by making ridiculous statements about the demographic of the DS in order to appear to be cool.  The DS has market appeal across the whole age spectrum.  Apart from that, the biggest market for GTA is teenage boys anyway.  Wanker.

I just read this a few minutes ago and found it quite ridiculous. Just another way for Sony to lose respect from me, though I know they don't really care about what I think since I'm just some dude on the internet :P ...I'm above the age of 12 and love my DS way more than my PSP. I haven't really played my PSP in months, but I play my DS at least once a week. Also, Chinatown Wars is looking surprisingly awesome and I really can't wait to try it out. I'm actually a fan of the old PC games, as well as the newer iterations.

LCS and VCS were both great games. Any new GTA would be able to take advantage of all the new hardware improvements that Sony has given the PSP since the games were released. I hope they do make another one. Chinatown wars sounds/looks like ass.

Edit: and for all of you bitching self-righteously about not being 12 years old and owning a DS: that's wonderful, but that doesn't change the fact that the core demographic is generally less than 12 years old. Get over it.

Lol. Judging by your attitude it seems PSP owners are 12 year olds too, I must be the minority since I am (and act) older. Get over yourself and notice how many of the people complaining own Sony machines and all are older than your fictional demographic which many clueless people would simply attach on all of gaming rather than on a particular system, as is the common misconception and you simply gave it a twist :)

Also, what hardware improvements have they made to the PSP, that a new GTA could take advantage of and the old GTA games didn't? I don't recall them doing anything that can improve games and even if they did it would mean owners of older models couldn't play it so, eh, enlighten me please.

"Lol. Judging by your attitude it seems PSP owners are 12 year olds too, I must be the minority since I am and act older. Get over yourself and notice how many of the people complaining own Sony machines :)

Also, what hardware improvements have they made to the PSP, that a new GTA could take advantage of and the old GTA games didn't? I don't recall them doing anything that can improve games and even if they did it would mean owners of older models couldn't play it so, eh, enlighten me please.
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"notice how many of the people complaining own Sony machines and all are older than your fictional demographic which many clueless people would simply attach on all of gaming rather than on a particular system, as is the common misconception and you simply gave it a twist :)"

To take advantage of extra ram would be to make it incompatible (or underperforming) for a hefty number of PSP units out there though, why did they add the ram anyway? Or was it what they wanted in the first place and that's the reason the God of War demo gets the occasional hefty slowdown on my 2000 model? And no, you don't really code for the amount of ram, but you certainly design your actual content around it.

For your edit: So, it's the first time you hear that a particular group of people consider gaming as a whole childish, instead of just the DS like you do? I question your ability to think at all then, not just rationally.

"To take advantage of extra ram would be to make it incompatible (or underperforming) for a hefty number of PSP units out there though, why did they add the ram anyway? Or was it what they wanted in the first place and that's the reason the God of War demo gets the occasional hefty slowdown on my 2000 model? And no, you don't really code for the amount of ram, but you certainly design your actual content around it.
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Well, a google search for "God of War PSP slowdown" (without quotes) shows it's there for more than just me but anyway, it seems to only be a problem with the demo so perhaps it's the fact it's running from the memory stick and UMD format remedies that (which is weird, loading from the card should be faster). Anyway, it seems unrelated I suppose.

Still, if they did exploit the extra ram to the fullest with a new PSP GTA (or any game) it would certainly cause issues for owners of the older models. Perhaps owners of the newer models are fine with it but the PSP had a ton of sales before them too. Upgrading system capabilities in the middle of its lifetime isn't sound business sense. Better screens and things like that are fine but when newer titles start catering to the new models and have issues with older ones it's getting to the absurd side. One of the sales points of consoles is that you don't have to upgrade them before the new platforms are out (the same reason I'm a bit pissed about the DSi, the current DS is perfectly capable of using downloaded content, yet DSiWare won't be available for it, but at least standard DS titles will work on both), why mess with that?

"Jayge said:

Edit: and for all of you bitching self-righteously about not being 12 years old and owning a DS: that's wonderful, but that doesn't change the fact that the core demographic is generally less than 12 years old. Get over it.
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I am just curious to know if you have the market research so I can understand that.

In general terms, Japan is an older population and every launch seems to have mostly adults lined up to buy a new DS.  

Considering that there are 99 million DS out there, are you saying that at least 45 million of them are owned by 12 year olds (and less)?

Of the 45 million PSP out there, how many do you think actually buy games versus those who use it as a media device or pirate everything/homebrew?

If you look at the list of DS games that sold over 1 million, exactly how many of them are for 12 year olds?

List of best-selling Nintendo DS video games

I can only see 2 very specific ones, High School Musical and Tamagotchi.  Are all the other games targeted at 12 year olds?  Are you using a broad concept of what age group appeals or just your own?  Most of the list seem to be classic Nintendo/Square Enix RPG and platformers - aren't they games with a broad demographic?

I need more information to understand your reasoning.

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Um, no to all of that.

"Um, no to all of that.

Isn't the general rule that the requirement is upon the claimant to substantiate their position.  You say that most are 12 year olds.  It is your responsibility to back that claim, not mine to disprove it.  Perception is not fact.  Widely held belief is not fact.  When you find the research, please share it.

Do you really believe that no adults play classic Nintendo/Square Enix franchises, in particular platformers?  Is it the colours that make them kiddy in your opinion?  What exactly makes an adult game?

I don't think I was or am indignant about what Koehler said.  I just think he is a dickhead and he is talking shit.

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So, anything kids can play, and is on a Nintendo platform, is kiddy and means only kids play it, with a few exceptions like everybody here that will say otherwise, and everybody elsewhere that will say otherwise, because online forums are obviously only hardcore gamers which don't fit the mainstream demographic. While if you didn't have a Nintendo platform in the FFIV era, or you are one of the people enjoying remakes and ports, you must still be a kid!

Dude, thanks for the enlightment, you've also finally revealed why the Wii is so insanely popular with this! It must be all the kids wanting the the VC games because today's kids totally don't care about graphics and are nostalgic for the good old days they never experienced! Hurrah, mystery solved.

Or perhaps you need to get off your high horse and realise that even games like GTA which you love so much are actually insanely popular with early teen boys that are barely gamers, and the fact they're "forbidden" to them makes no difference to their ability to aquire them in most countries and areas. If anything, it's a little more mature of the average not-quite-gamer person to be able to enjoy games that aren't about that kind of shallow violence, and take the time to learn to play old school JRPGs. Of course, I agree in that JRPGs are also very casual types of games, but casual doesn't mean kiddy anyway (and GTA is also casual, perhaps not as much with GTAIV, which is perhaps one of the reasons it's one of the most returned games according to teh internets).

Edit: Also, you just crticised him for not accepting just your opinion as a real argument and himself needing more than a disagreement, when the disagreement and your differing opinion was all you had in the first place, and you didn't respond to any of his initial questions with anything that isn't your personal opinion taken to the extreme (40 of the 44 titles in the list are primarily for kids without any market evidence using only your opinion with loose reasoning that can easily go the other way) considering the titles he gave as examples. The fact you agree with Sony, who have obvious interests in putting Nintendo's efforts down in any way, doesn't make your opinion more valid than his.