Star Wars: The Old Republic VS. WoW

I know its a bit early yet, but what are you're predictions and impressions from the information available now?
  Please keep it to facts and well thought out ideas, no "WoW IZ TEH BEST 4ND NO GAME WILL EVER BEET IT"   
 
My personal opinion changes from time to time.  Based on some of the feedback I've gotten from people on wow, it seems as if there are a good number of people who are loyal to that game, but I can't imagine that a game with Bioware at the helm, and with such a powerfull license, can't at least put up a showing similar to what WoW has.  What do you think?

I have mixed feelings on it. The reason why WoW is good is because they keep adding and changing things around to appease the new audience. With Bioware running this Star Wars MMO, it sounds like they know what their doing because of their previous Knights of the Old Republics. From what we all know, Bioware knows how to make a really good single player game. We're looking at a multiplayer game coming into the picture. This is Biowares first time on an MMO. We don't know what they're going to throw at us until somebody can tell us how the beta is. Not only that, the previous Star Wars MMO failed big time. 
 
I know it's hard to understand what I'm saying, but I want this game to succeed. I really do. Let's just hope that it will stand against WoW and hopefully get enough subscribers to stay alive.

Well, I'm much more excited about Cataclysm because it's basically World of Warcraft 2. But I imagine that's probably because it's much more close to release than The Old Republic. I'm sure I'll be on the TOR hype train when it gets a little closer and there's more information available. 

I've heard that a lot of WoW players will be checking the game out. I have hope for it to be good.

We know nothing about the star wars MMO. All we have seen as of late are CGI trailers which have nothing to do with gameplay. 

You know, everytime i see OP's icon i think of Dick_Viper.
 
You are not the Viper.
 
I am dissapoint.

" @The_Laughing_Man: There's been two or three fairly long gameplay demo's though.  I didn't like WoW because I found the gameplay to be incredibly boring. It's also the same with the majority of MMO's that I have tried. The only one that sucked me in was Guild Wars, not sure why. Even though TOR has the same gameplay has WoW I think I am quite a bit more interested because of the setting, I'm a huge sci-fi nerd. "

I think both will be great games for their own audiences.

Well, let me start by saying that I am going to dive with both feet in with TOR. I loved the 2 other games, as well as any other Bioware game that I have ever played. Bioware has yet to let me down with a game.  
 
As well, I played WoW for about 3-4 years on an on-and-off basis. When I was on, I was pretty hardcore about it, with server-leading PvE raid progression and decent enough PvP arena ratings. 
 
But back to the topic. TOR is not a WoW killer. There is no such thing as a WoW killer, nor will there ever be. The only thing that can "kill" WoW is natural time. I can honestly say that WoW is the pinnacle of MMORPG's, and I do not believe that there is a "next step" that can kill it (like how WoW "killed" Everquest, for instance). I do however think that the game will be incredible, and will divide the fanbase of MMO players.  
 
With other MMO releases, Blizzard has schrewdly placed a new expansion or a large patch right after the previous game's launch, drawing the crowd of players back from the other game that has just come out. In the MMO world, I feel that many, many players do not want to start from scratch, and would rather play with a character that they have already built. In this regard, WoW has had a huge advantage over any other released MMO. Most players get to say, level 20 in the new MMO, and then say "Screw this. I want to play with my level 80 Mage that I poured 100's of hours into.", and then go back. 
 
However, Cataclysm is coming out before TOR launches in the Spring/Summer of 2011. Maybe Bioware can come out running with their game, just when the polish starts to ware on Cataclysm. 
 
Maybe we will see some MMO wars, which is probably a great thing for the players. 2 companies trying to win us over? Count me in.

I'm excited for Star Wars Old Republic, getting it day one, but I can't say it's better or worse because its not out yet. 

I am so looking foreword to The Old Republic way more that I ever did for WoW.

" We know nothing about the star wars MMO. All we have seen as of late are CGI trailers which have nothing to do with gameplay.  "

... It looks pretty much exactly the same. All of what I've seen so far indicates that it's WoW with less classes, voice overs, and lightsabers. 
 
To be fair, as much as I like KoTOR and BioWare, I basically am getting the feeling that if you played WoW and got bored, you've basically been around the block in TOR as well.

Eh, its not going to be a new Star Wars Galaxies (before it went bad) and that sorta disappoints me. My big fear is that they are drawing way too heavily on the Clone Wars style of Star Wars in terms of art and model design, and I don't like that because it ruins what made KOTOR so unique and I fucking hate anything prequel related.

" ... It looks pretty much exactly the same. All of what I've seen so far indicates that it's WoW with less classes, voice overs, and lightsabers.  To be fair, as much as I like KoTOR and BioWare, I basically am getting the feeling that if you played WoW and got bored, you've basically been around the block in TOR as well. "

" @The_Laughing_Man:   Not true, there is gameplay to be found, though admittedly in smaller doses than most of us would probably like.   From the gameplay demonstrations I've seen, it looks fairly similar to WoW.  Besides that point however, I know it's to early to have a real meaty conversation about it, but whats it going to hurt to try? "

I played WoW for a week and I hated it. I think TOR will do well.

" @The_Laughing_Man:   Yup, we know a little, but not enough to pass judgement.  My inner fangirl goes mental about Star Wars, Bioware, The Old Republic setting tho, so combined that's all the more reason for me to support SWTOR. I'd say tho, let WoW rule the orcs and knights (and spacegoats) setting, let SWTOR rule the future! "

Bioware made this?  The same Bioware that made Mass Effect and Dragon's Age?  Those were the glitchest games out there.  The end for my ME2 and Origins was ruined because something glitched.  In ME2 the audio stopped and shepherd disappeared. No way am I playing a MMO RPG made or run by those incompetent last gen devs.  
 
WoW is what is because of Blizzard.  Period.   They dont rush, they perfect. 
 
Nothing can and will compete with WoW.  Until someone makes a next gen MMO-RPG.  Bioware is just trying to bank on the fanbase established by their other failed mmo. 
 
But if your looking for the new flavour of the month, then by all means join in.  Just don't expect it to ever be what WoW is or ever was.  Expect Hellgate london, expect WAR, expect another attempt to sell subscriptions by reselling a title.  This will not be the game that was. 
 
 Man... I bet Lucas doesn't even let them use the good lore.  I bet they use the shitty new stories from that cartoon.  Makes me feel bad for Star Wars fans because they have to settle on this.  Just like LOTRs fans did.  
 

From what I've seen so far, TOR is looking to be a big disappointment to me.
I was hoping for a change in the usual MMO mechanics, but it seems like it's just another typical MMO with a different theme.
 
But, we'll see. The judgement is not yet final.

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Bioware needs to stop making the MMO and just make their little CGI movie its apparent they wanna make. 

1Z G01NZ T0 B TH3 SH1TZ!!!! TOR FTW!!!! BEZT MMO 1N WO3LD!!!! 

" Bioware needs to stop making the MMO and just make their little CGI movie its apparent they wanna make.  "

Bioware doesn't even make their CGI trailers. They are outsourced to another company.

 So many gamers bitch these days about things before actually researching them. I find it really annoying. (Not necessarily talking to you The_Laughing_Man) I think there is a thread on the Bioware forums that details a lot of stuff that will be in TOR. I will try and find it.

Here it is 

" @The_Laughing_Man said:

" Bioware needs to stop making the MMO and just make their little CGI movie its apparent they wanna make.  "

Bioware doesn't even make their CGI trailers. They are outsourced to another company.

 So many gamers bitch these days about things before actually researching them. I find it really annoying. (Not necessarily talking to you The_Laughing_Man) I think there is a thread on the Bioware forums that details a lot of stuff that will be in TOR. I will try and find it.

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" @Otzlowe said:

" ... It looks pretty much exactly the same. All of what I've seen so far indicates that it's WoW with less classes, voice overs, and lightsabers.  To be fair, as much as I like KoTOR and BioWare, I basically am getting the feeling that if you played WoW and got bored, you've basically been around the block in TOR as well. "

You also have to remember that they are releasing class information, combat information, and such very slowly.  I mean the video that's floating around now of the 5 man grouping is the first REAL example we have seen of that game.  Also, Dallas Dickerson hinted at their being more classes revealed at a later time.  I deffinetly see where you are coming from, but just the differences between this game and WoW that have been revealed are significant.  (IE More story, companion charactors, fully voiced.)   It does look like WoW, but I would also say it looks like KOTOR, which was awesome. "

As I have said in like 50 different threads, every single mmo ships buggy and unfinished, this was true for WoW aswell. But at the time there was no competition (EQ2 lol) so people stuck with it, but now you are expecting costumers to stick with a unfinished product while paying monthly for it no less, instead of just playing a game that is highly polished and functional for the same price. 

" As I have said in like 50 different threads, every single mmo ships buggy and unfinished, this was true for WoW aswell. But at the time there was no competition (EQ2 lol) so people stuck with it, but now you are expecting costumers to stick with a unfinished product while paying monthly for it no less, instead of just playing a game that is highly polished and functional for the same price.  "

Alright guys...honestly...this is really not something to start arguing about.   My personal idea on the matter is that WoW will continue going strong, but TOR will deffinetly have a following.  I don't think that's a crazy prediction

Better thread title: Kotor 3 vs. The Old Republic. 
 
I still cannot believe this is gonna be an mmo.

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Better thread title: Kotor 3 vs. The Old Republic. 
 
I still cannot believe this is gonna be an mmo.

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" @demontium said:

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Better thread title: Kotor 3 vs. The Old Republic. 
 
I still cannot believe this is gonna be an mmo.

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Needs more Jedi Knight. "

I am very excite for TOR.