#1 Edited by JonathanAshleyMoore (281 posts) -

<p lang="en-US">I was bought a Wii U in December of 2012 by my family and given the console on Christmas Day, however, to my friends' astonishment, no-one had bought me any games, neither had I bought any myself. I had money and I had the option, I just didn't have the need. When my friends asked "But why did you buy it in the first place then?" I replied in confidence "Because I know Nintendo is eventually gonna come through in the life-cycle of the system, I buy the console for Nintendo games, not third-party" and yes the sentiment still stands. When I play a Nintendo system, I'm looking forward to which land Mario is going to explore next, which Zelda world I will be inhabiting, what characters I will be getting to know. This console to me, is what every other Nintendo console has been and always will be: a vehicle to show what games Nintendo can make with their new hardware.</p>

<p lang="en-US"><i>It still stands... just not as confidently...</i></p>

<p lang="en-US">Nintendo being a no-go-zone for software, especially triple-A content, is practically second-nature to consumers, as well as third parties. The Wii being a generation behind its competition didn't help, but for Nintendo fans, this didn't matter much. Sure, you're not gonna get the next <em>Call of Duty</em> or <em>Assassin's Creed</em>, but when you had the Disney-esque world of <em>Super Mario Galaxy</em> or the cross <em>Twilight Princess/Wind Waker</em> graphical presentation of <em>Skyward Sword</em>, did you really care? You were, as you always have been, engrossed in Nintendo. So, knowing what you do about the company you've invested so much of your time and money into, you bet on them again. If you're heavily into video games as an art form, you're probably going to get other systems regardless, but the Wii U is a no brainer, why? Because you want to play the new Nintendo games. "Play. The. Games" Reggie said at this years E3, unofficially making it Nintendo's slogan for the expo. Only one problem there, Reg: <b>There are none</b>.</p>

<p lang="en-US">Let me give you a run down of all the (new) Nintendo Wii U exclusives as of now that may possibly be worth your time. <i>Possibly</i>.</p>

<p lang="en-US"><em><b>New Super Mario Bros. U</b></em>: If you're not entirely bored of Nintendo's blatant over-use of the <em>New Super Mario Bros.</em> series, then this might appeal to you. Despite the fact that the levels are as un-inventive as ever and the graphical presentation at this point is like taking a tire-iron to the head, Mario is as controllable as previous outings and if you're new to the series, this could in fact, be great.</p>

<p lang="en-US"><em><b>ZombieU</b></em>: A janky, mechanically un-finished mess of a game coupled with the whole over-used "Zombie" thing. Despite the shortcomings, the thrill of trying to survive is pretty great.</p>

<p lang="en-US"><em><b>Nintendo Land</b></em>: This is the Wii U's <em>Wii Sports</em>, essentially. It is as good.</p>

<p lang="en-US"><em><b>LEGO City Undercover</b></em>: Perhaps the most promising of the so far mentioned, <em>LEGO City Undercover</em> takes you into the world of Chase Mccain as he hunts down criminals in this <em>Grand Theft Auto</em> influenced world. With the many gameplay mechanics, such as wall jumps, pole swinging and using disguises to gain new abilities previously unusable, this game ends up using sharp satire, humor and gameplay to win over players.</p>

<p lang="en-US"><em><b>Game &amp; Wario</b></em>: Basically a mini-game compilation, minus the fun of the previous <em>Warioware</em> game for the Nintendo Wii.</p>

<p lang="en-US"><a href="http://images.gizorama.com/2013/07/650x.jpg"><img class="alignright size-medium wp-image-12339" alt="650x" src="http://images.gizorama.com/2013/07/650x-295x201.jpg" width="295" height="201" /></a>Five. There are five. Considering the grim critical assessment of <em>Wario</em> and <em>ZombieU</em>, also consider that <em>Nintendo Land</em> is essentially a tech-demo and I think it's fair to conclude that something has gone wrong here. As if it wasn't bad enough, Electronic Arts came out and said that they have absolutely <b>nothing</b> in development for the Wii U at this years E3. Things went from bad to worse. What happened here? Where did <em>Pikmin 3</em> go? Was it not supposed to have released at launch? What about a new <em>Metroid</em>? <em>Starfox</em>? Anything?</p>

<p lang="en-US">Looking on the other side, where the grass is much greener, the Nintendo 3DS is thriving in the handheld market, due primarily to its abundance of software. With <em>Ocarina of Time 3D</em>, <em>Super Mario 3D Land</em>, <em>Luigi's Mansion: Dark Moon</em>, <em>Paper Mario Sticker Star</em>, <em>Pushmo</em> and <em>Fire Emblem Awakening</em> under its belt, there is every reason to buy a 3DS. What does this have to do with the Wii U? Well, it actually serves to remind us that the reason people buy a system (most of the time) isn't anything more complicated than they want to play games. Good games. When you take this away, you've lost your reliability from the exact people you are supposed to be pleasing and satisfying. If I walk into a cake shop and they only have bland, uninteresting cakes or even worse, no cakes, I am not going to buy from that company. There is nothing different here.</p>

<p lang="en-US"><a href="http://images.gizorama.com/2013/07/nabbit.jpg"><img class="alignleft size-medium wp-image-12338" alt="nabbit" src="http://images.gizorama.com/2013/07/nabbit-295x190.jpg" width="295" height="190" /></a>You kids might not understand this, but when I was a child, Nintendo stood for something magical. It might be an over-used analogy at this point, but Nintendo was the Disney of the video games industry (and for more reasons than they both never put their prices down... like, ever). Nintendo was a world of wonder that you could dive into, in fact, the whole family could and once more, it was the best offering the video games industry had. Nintendo at this point has their hearts set on making the Nintendo 3DS an amazing piece of gear to own but the Wii U seems to be left in the dust and it's nobodies fault but Nintendo's.</p>

I'll leave you with this: Nintendo said prior to the release of the Wii U that they did not like the direction the Nintendo Wii had taken later in its life-cycle and feels it neglected to supply demand to Nintendo's loyal, hardcore audience. They also said the Wii U would be a different situation... and to an extent, I get what they're saying. The Wii U's gameplay options are more refined, more DS-related in control, more standard in its use of wacky, out there motion and touch controls. The Nintendo Wii U and its gamepad actually ARE pretty great ideas for a console, but it's cut off at the source on the grounds that Nintendo has completely failed to supply the system with life support on ANY level. Nintendo needs to figure out what it wants to be. Does Nintendo want to permanently move into handheld territory? Fantastic choice. Does Nintendo want to supply other systems with its games? Great, the more the merrier for everyone, Nintendo doesn't lose console money. Does Nintendo want to continue making consoles? Then they need to start acting like it.

#2 Posted by falserelic (4941 posts) -

All I got to say is Nintendo is in deep shit....

#3 Edited by Hailinel (22695 posts) -

I don't think I need to tell you this now, but HTML formatting doesn't work in the text editor.

#4 Posted by Buble (69 posts) -

Nintendo really did themselves no favour, in my opinion, by straddling the fence in terms of hardware. They would have been much better served by dedicating the machine in a way that allows for really interesting/unique art styles and supplementing that with great game play. I mean they are doing that on the 3Ds with what sounds like an amazing line-up of games coming out I can't think why they wouldn't try to replicate that on a larger scale instead of trying to compete with Sony/MS with ports of Batman. It seems like a really stupid strategy and it's not making anyone in the audience happy from what I can glean.

I mean they could easily still throw an Earthbound, proper console Pokemon and/or a Pokeskylanders and move the system on those alone. The fact they are not, which appears to be from sheer stubbornness, eats up a great deal of the good will + sympathy I have towards them. They should get out of the console market after the Wii-U if this is the weak shit they are going to deliver.

#5 Edited by LackingSaint (1691 posts) -

Well from my perspective where I live, the problem is they decided to give it a name that made it sound like a peripheral, then barely bothered to advertise it in the UK. Nothing better than creating brand confusion and then not clarifying it.

#6 Posted by Make_Me_Mad (2947 posts) -

What happened is that it came out, it has some okay games, the stuff worth having will come out later/next year, and you fucked up your post.

#7 Posted by YukoAsho (1948 posts) -

What happened is that it came out, it has some okay games, the stuff worth having will come out later/next year, and you fucked up your post.

This, pretty much.

Though to be fair to Nintendo, they gave third parties a large time window to shine, and other than ZombiU, 3rd parties answered with nothing but ports, with dreadfully few of them being worth the time on Wii U.

Still, Nintendo should have had more post-launch hardware support. This is Vita levels of fail.

@lackingsaint: Then there's this.

#8 Posted by FrankNelson (19 posts) -

I love my Wii U, but I think their biggest problem is the failure to advertise the system to consumers. On the few occasions that they do, they always include a damn Wii remote in the ad or presentation and I feel that it adds to the confusion not to mention the name similarities. They need to show the gamepad and make games that use the tablet in more ways than just a second screen. They are not doing that.

One thing that Nintendo does well is the handheld game system. Honestly I think their next system should be some sort of handheld that could also run on larger screens like Nvidia's Shield. Personally my 3DS XL is more comfortable to hold and use then the Wii U tablet.

#9 Edited by Darji (5295 posts) -

I love my Wii U, but I think their biggest problem is the failure to advertise the system to consumers. On the few occasions that they do, they always include a damn Wii remote in the ad or presentation and I feel that it adds to the confusion not to mention the name similarities. They need to show the gamepad and make games that use the tablet in more ways than just a second screen. They are not doing that.

One thing that Nintendo does well is the handheld game system. Honestly I think their next system should be some sort of handheld that could also run on larger screens like Nvidia's Shield. Personally my 3DS XL is more comfortable to hold and use then the Wii U tablet.

The Wii U is basically a 3DS already. Nintendo does nothing else than these 2 screens devices. And the fact that you can play games like smash brothers on both systems is evidence enough for that. They thought what worked with handhelds will also work with consoles but they were dead wrong here. Besides the 3Ds is only selling well in Japan in the west it is selling under expectations of Nintendo.

#10 Edited by joshwent (1775 posts) -

I'd say their failure here was the same that it's been in all of their modern consoles... Internet ignorance. We're in a CoD weary world, where greater numbers of gamers than ever are open to new experiences. The WiiU's hardware could offer amazing things and fulfill that need, but we'll never see it because (as you rightly said in your post) third party devs have no incentive to make a game for it.

If only they could understand the possibilities of a connected system, they could have made a path for devs to self publish like Sony (and maybe even Microsoft) are doing. Lower the barrier to entry to practically nothing, and you'd watch the awesome, creative games start to pour in. After all, couldn't it be better to to a great game on a system with no new games, than one on a console with hundreds? Small teams could flourish, create incentive for more people to buy a WiiU for those exclusive titles, and then bigger publishers would be comfortable once the install base grew.

It's a snowball effect for device success that's been proven many times. There were NO huge apps on the App Store when it launched, but it was easy for anyone to make stuff that was exclusive to an iOS device, the install base blew up, and now there's a fucking Deus Ex game for phones!

Alas, for whatever baffling reason they just can't grasp the possibilities of an open Internet experience, and they're suffering for it.

#11 Posted by Xeiphyer (5589 posts) -

<p lang="en-US"><em><b>Sorry bro, HTML doesn't work on GB, maybe look at your article for 1 second when you post/repost/crosspost.</b></em>

#12 Posted by Nictel (2312 posts) -

@yukoasho said:

@make_me_mad said:

What happened is that it came out, it has some okay games, the stuff worth having will come out later/next year, and you fucked up your post.

This, pretty much.

Though to be fair to Nintendo, they gave third parties a large time window to shine, and other than ZombiU, 3rd parties answered with nothing but ports, with dreadfully few of them being worth the time on Wii U.

Still, Nintendo should have had more post-launch hardware support. This is Vita levels of fail.

@lackingsaint: Then there's this.

Except that is not how it works, you can't ask third parties to sell the console for you. Moreover, ZombiU did poorly sales wise. The WiiU isn't worth the time or money for third parties right now. The WiiU is the equivalent of building a giant mall in the middle of a wasteland and tell entrepreneurs, if you open up shop here I am sure customers will come here... Eventually.. Oh and call the mall 'Tell Sell Now'.

They need more games, which won't come from major publishers right now. So the either need to do it themselves or open up the console for small developers.

#13 Posted by WinterSnowblind (7612 posts) -

@darji said:

@franknelson said:

I love my Wii U, but I think their biggest problem is the failure to advertise the system to consumers. On the few occasions that they do, they always include a damn Wii remote in the ad or presentation and I feel that it adds to the confusion not to mention the name similarities. They need to show the gamepad and make games that use the tablet in more ways than just a second screen. They are not doing that.

One thing that Nintendo does well is the handheld game system. Honestly I think their next system should be some sort of handheld that could also run on larger screens like Nvidia's Shield. Personally my 3DS XL is more comfortable to hold and use then the Wii U tablet.

The Wii U is basically a 3DS already. Nintendo does nothing else than these 2 screens devices. And the fact that you can play games like smash brothers on both systems is evidence enough for that. They thought what worked with handhelds will also work with consoles but they were dead wrong here. Besides the 3Ds is only selling well in Japan in the west it is selling under expectations of Nintendo.

I don't think we need to go into this again, but worldwide sales of the 3DS are very strong, even if they're under Nintendo's own lofty expectations. It's had a killer library of games released this year and with the first ever 3D Pokemon game coming out in a couple of months, I can guarantee that it'll be the best selling system by the end of this year.

As for the Wii U.. Nintendo really need to just step up what they're doing. They've made a lot of dumb mistakes with it and are taking too long to rectify them. I still don't think it's going to be the ship sinking disaster some people are already calling it, but I really don't know how they're going to try and compete against the next-gen systems. I honestly think they should have continued in the direction they went for with the Wii. Make a cheaper, less powerful system that focus on smaller indie games and first party titles that can act as a "companion" system. Most gamers didn't need to own a 360 and a PS3, but a 360 or PS3 and a Wii as well was a great combination.

#14 Posted by Marokai (2630 posts) -

It astounds me how Nintendo has managed to fuck up almost everything with this system. System level account stuff is completely backwards. The best selling game on the system and ostensibly the grandest Nintendo game for the system so far is.. New Super Mario Bros. U. It launched with weird technical (sloowwwww menus) and internet connection issues; to this day, my Wii U will randomly lock up and crash. The fact that there isn't a larger amount of storage than 32GB is criminal. The load times on a lot of games are crazy, and there's no possible installations to speed them up.

On top of all of that, there are incredibly few games to really play for it, and it costs three hundred and fifty fucking dollars.

Even from a hardware design perspective the entire thing is bananas. I know that the gamepad is a large expense, but what sort of system architect put a system together this far behind the technical curve on so many things, and they're selling it for a loss at $350. If they decided to go ahead on a price cut, which this system desperately needs (and fuck, I'm stupid for getting one of these things so early) they'd be taking a bath on every unit sold, and Nintendo is already in the red. They should've never gone with the proprietary hardware (THEY ARE STILL USING A MODIFIED GAMECUBE CPU ARCHITECTURE WTFWTFWTF) that they did. The age of that stuff is over.

The fucked up shit with this console can be stacked to the moon, and worse yet, there seems to be no realistic avenue for them to climb out of the hole right now. Sony and Microsoft are taking all the spotlight, and unless the Wii U drops in price dramatically (which would dash any hopes of Nintendo making any kind of profit for years) it's simply not realistic to expect them to break through. They launched one year ahead of their competitors to try and get attention and adopters sooner, but they bungled everything about it so badly that now it's impossible to get attention beyond their faithful followers, which seem to not be doing the heavy lifting everyone thought they would.

And yeah, their marketing has been a total shitshow. Again, everytime they've taken a crack at something, they've done a horrible job. They shouldn't have called this the Wii U, it should've had a totally different name, they should've spent fuckloads more on advertising this in all territories, compared to the pitiful amount of marketing they've done thusfar, and they should've showcased the console at first, not the controller, which just confused everyone into thinking it was a Wii add-on.

What went wrong with the Wii U? Almost fucking everything. It's crazy to even try and wrap your mind around. If Nintendo can turn the system into a success I will be stunned. And it should be stated, I really, really, really want them to turn this around.

#15 Posted by probablytuna (3441 posts) -

Nintendo's arrogance/ignorance, that's what happened.

#16 Posted by zels (204 posts) -

With the Wii they've created a product that was great for casual gamers and shit for everyone else, creating a bias against Nintendo among the non-casuals. With the WiiU they've gone 50-50 for each market and ended up pleasing neiter - the controller isn't simple enough to attract casual gamers and the hardware/software lineup isn't going to allay the doubts of those who weren't thrilled about the Wii.

On top of that are all the points that @marokai has pointed out.

#17 Posted by Nikoran (164 posts) -

It's just Nintendo's tendency to ship out a console with shitty hardware and expect it to do alright. Sure, there are first and second party games coming out for the system, but where is the third party support? Nowhere to be found because nobody wants to touch the damned thing.

They are being pretty arrogant in my honest opinion. They seem to think that their system can survive without third party games but the sad thing is, it won't.

I however can't wait for X and Bayonetta 2.

#18 Posted by Wraxend (539 posts) -

@lackingsaint said:

Well from my perspective where I live, the problem is they decided to give it a name that made it sound like a peripheral, then barely bothered to advertise it in the UK. Nothing better than creating brand confusion and then not clarifying it.

Just saw the other day WiiU sponsoring Le Tour de France over on ITV4, talk about shit marketing.

#19 Edited by vegetashonor (540 posts) -

PLAAAAAY THE GAAAAAAAMES!!!

#20 Edited by Superfriend (1457 posts) -

This is like the Gamecube, only back then we at least had some interesting first party games.

Now, you have rehashes of Wii/GC games in HD and a single minigame collection.

This is what a generation of freaking casual software does. Nintendo is a shadow of its former self- and I don´t think they will come around this time. Yeah sure, there will be 2 or 3 games on Wii U that are amazing.. but over the lifespan of a system, that is far too little. Nintendo kinda spreads itself too thin between the WiiU and the 3DS and it seems as if they are still operating like it´s 1993 out there.

Edit: </p> or something!

#21 Edited by ProfessorEss (7123 posts) -

@superfriend said:

This is what a generation of freaking casual software does. Nintendo is a shadow of its former self- and I don´t think they will come around this time.

Yeah. Regardless of how things go financially for them my main concern is that after 10 years of concentrating on interesting ways to use weird input devices that Nintendo will have all but forgotten how to do that awesome core gameplay that they were always famous for.

@marokai: Yeah you nailed a lot of it. I still can't believe how they wasted the year that they had all to themselves, I'm blown away by the terrible marketing, and it is crazy to think that this thing could end up eating so much of Nintendo's Wii money. I also think Nintendo has to abandon this idea that they can sell consoles based on the promise of "a Zelda and a Mario in the next 2-3 years".

Nintendo's audience is shrinking and they're doing a terrible job at attracting new people.

#22 Posted by AmatureIdiot (980 posts) -

One thing I found absolutely insane about the WiiU is the fact there was no Wii Sports at launch. How does a company like Nintendo, who have finely crafted the art of sequels, throw away the series that basically defined the Wii. Surely there is a large contingent of people who still have fond memories of the game, and will buy a console for it, like they did for the Wii. I don't know how they can make the console a success with games like Pikmin 3 and Super Smash Bros which are laser focused on fanboys.

#23 Posted by Marokai (2630 posts) -

@professoress said:

@marokai: Yeah you nailed a lot of it. I still can't believe how they wasted the year that they had all to themselves, I'm blown away by the terrible marketing, and it is crazy to think that this thing could end up eating so much of Nintendo's Wii money. I also think Nintendo has to abandon this idea that they can sell consoles based on the promise of "a Zelda and a Mario in the next 2-3 years".

Nintendo's audience is shrinking and they're doing a terrible job at attracting new people.

I think the last line roughly sums up what's going on with Nintendo right now. They're not really doing anything to grow their audience, and by now I feel like it's easy to do a retrospective on the Wii as something of a happy accident.

Bringing up Zelda actually got me interested in seeing what the sales numbers of those games are like over time, because I honestly question how much Zelda really matters anymore to a Nintendo console owner, and the numbers aren't really that impressive when you think of how much of a following that series is perceived as having. Skyward Sword is on record as having sold ~4 million (and I'm rounding up, here), on a console that, by the time of it's release, had over 90 million units sold. In contrast, Twilight Princess is the second best selling game in the series. That should not be the case.

The "Never!" press conference, more than anything else Nintendo has said, pitched the idea that their philosophy in the last generation has been to get their hooks into people who don't play games very often by showing them interesting, low-concept experiences, and then slowly acclimating them into being a gamer, albeit of a different type. The Wii U was a test to see if that idea worked, to see if the gamers they grabbed during the incredible success of the Wii had stuck around. All signs currently point to no, and I imagine that's really distressing to Nintendo, because what do you do now? Throughout it all, when you discount the amount of people who basically only bought the Wii because it became a cultural phenomenon, the core Nintendo audience doesn't seem to have grown much, if at all. That's really bad.

#24 Posted by Excast (687 posts) -

They tried to rely on another gimmick allowing them to get by with an underpowered console. And unlike motion gaming, the Wii U gamepad thingy is not designed for the same kind of mass market appeal. So now they are stuck going into the next console generation with a machine that struggles to play ports of current generation games.

I have no idea where the Wii U is 4 or 5 years from now, but I can't see it being very pretty. Does anyone see PS4 or XBone games being ported to it? I don't. Does anyone see big publishers investing a lot of time or energy into it? I don't. I guess it will be another pipeline for 4 or 5 decent Nintendo titles a year and not much else.

#25 Edited by Zlimness (504 posts) -

The problem with the Wii U, is that nothing fucking happens. Nothing is coming out on the console. Where's Bioshock Infinite, Tomb Raider, Devil May Cry? Big-budget, multi-platform games that people might actually want to play and publishers want to put into as many hands as possible in 2013. Where's upcoming games like GTA V, Saints Row IV, Lords of Shadows 2?

It just boggles the mind that Nintendo haven't taken action to get anything on the platform right now. They have Ubisoft's support, but probably not for long. When Ubi's last games designed for this generation have been released (AC IV, Watch Dogs, Blacklist), that support is gone. When the next generation rolls up, all the major developers will be designing games for the x86 architecture that runs on the same semicustom APU from AMD. Unless Sony and Microsoft makes exclusive deals, we can expect all games to come out for PC, Xbox One and PS4 and it's the same version. No ports. Considering the high cost of these games, developers are not going to spend resources making an entirely different Wii U version.

In 2014, Nintendo are on their own, again. With nothing interesting planned for the next year (Except Bayonetta 2), I don't see a reason to get a Wii U earlier than 2015. That's assuming Nintendo have anything planned for 2015. And from what I've seen so far, I don't think they have.

#26 Edited by believer258 (11035 posts) -

To sum up all of the arguments thus far:

  • There are few, if any, games worth buying the system for, and the future is looking better but not by much.
  • It lacks raw power and is using old, old technology that should have been dropped when the Wii came out, and the system is still selling at a loss and for a higher price than people are willing to pay for it.
  • The system is terribly designed from top to bottom - slow menus, bad internet, small amount of internal storage in this age of 500+ gigabyte hard drives, and your purchases are still tied to your console.
  • Lack of third party support due to the low power and low market penetration.
  • They tried to please the casuals and the core gamers, and neither is satisfied.
  • Brand confusion - people think, or at least thought for some time, that it's a peripheral for the Wii.

Any one of those are good reasons to not buy the console, and the Wii U has all of them. And, hell, I feel like I've missed some things too. I'd really like to see Nintendo succeed but with this they are just digging their own graves. It might be best for the company to discontinue the Wii U and concentrate on the 3DS, but they aren't going to do that. Or maybe focus on putting console games on the other platforms - but they aren't going to do that either.

#27 Posted by MocBucket62 (1039 posts) -

Nintendo is just not making that much of a push to attract push for hardcore or even causal gamers, and their marketing for it has been pretty dismal. The 3DS has a much more compelling library of first and third party games than the Wii U and that is a major problem needs to address.

#28 Edited by Seppli (9727 posts) -

I was quite intrigued by Wii U at the beginning. The dualscreen/touchscreen possibilities sounded exciting. In theory, they still are. It hasn't translated into anything I feel I need to play yet. The window of opportunity is pretty much closed by now. The *real* next generation is almost here. My time is limited, I'll likely not allot any of my time and money on Nintendo products in the foreseeable future.

As far as I'm concerned, I'll just say: 'Better Luck Next Time.'

#29 Posted by Toxeia (721 posts) -

Funky Barn. *drops mic*

#30 Posted by Vuud (1424 posts) -

'tendo done goofed.

#31 Posted by ADAMWD (499 posts) -

Wii U has definitely been the console that has taken the least amount of time between being purchased and being unplugged, gathering dust.

#32 Posted by VaddixBell (207 posts) -

Nintendo isn't ready to relinquish any power to the western branches of Nintendo. What happens then is they've built a box with systems with no meaningful online system. That's one thing that Nintendo needed to improve between Wii - Wii U and they didn't. Sony from PS3-PS4 have (this is based on conversations heard in podcasts) had American and European branches of Sony having a significant influence on the design of the console.

The big failure though, which Jeff acknowledged a long time ago, they built this box too late. Interest has dwindled because of the length of the generation but because Sony and MS built these great install bases so a decrease in sales is still enough. But in 2 years, when a lot of devs are building games only for PS4/XBONE, Nintendo won't get the 3rd party games they need. They won't get games that will be huge sellers like Destiny, Titanfall and other (potentially) great 3rd party games like The Division. They'll get Fifa and Madden but they'll be much inferior versions.

I think it's just a poor thought out console that will get amazing 1st party games because that's what Nintendo always does. But failures in design and planning have made it a poor console.

#33 Posted by WMoyer83 (585 posts) -

Nintendo Don't Care.

#34 Posted by Humanity (7938 posts) -

Not much happened, thats the problem.

#35 Posted by Korwin (2720 posts) -

They built a 7 year old console late last year with a funny controller, that's what happened. People in general aren't that interested in playing the kinds of games that level of hardware can offer, we've already done that to death with the 360 and the PS3. Everything that can be done within the limits of that spec has more or less already been done (outside of the indie space anyway), asking me to buy in for another 6 years of current gen game design with a fancy controller just isn't that appealing.

#36 Edited by Tireyo (6382 posts) -

I thought Nintendo was a bit careless and overconfident. I'm just hoping that something good will work in their favor, because I have a WiiU. It's just a matter of time I guess. They have to get some good games out there.

#37 Posted by ArbitraryWater (10992 posts) -

I have resigned myself to getting a Wii U at some point in its life-cycle, but Nintendo is making it really easy for me to wait for any sort of price drop.

#38 Edited by DarthOrange (3495 posts) -
#39 Posted by Slag (3334 posts) -
#40 Posted by Rick_Fingers (524 posts) -

In my opinion, Nintendo have been clueless about consoles and where they were headed since the GameCube, but managed to luck into the Wii.

However, rather than learning any lessons from the success of the Wii or the greater overall success of their competitors,they instead failed to make the Wii a viable system for 3rd parties and then released the WiiU with all the same mistakes and a bunch of new ones.

The release of the new consoles and the colossal difference in gaming experiences and appearances will be the final nail in the coffin of the WiiU, regardless of first party releases.

I'd expect that Nintendo will be scrambling to make a new console and forget the WiiU within the next couple of years. I expect whatever that new system is will fail and that will be the end of Nintendo in the console market.

#41 Posted by C_Rakestraw (803 posts) -

@slag said:

@darthorange said:

You forgot Jett Tailfin :P

That's a system seller right there.

This and Funky Barn: the only two games worth a damn on the Wii U.

#42 Posted by benpicko (1923 posts) -

@xeiphyer said:

<p lang="en-US"><em><b>Sorry bro, HTML doesn't work on GB, maybe look at your article for 1 second when you post/repost/crosspost.</b></em>

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#43 Edited by YukoAsho (1948 posts) -

You apparently flood the market with Mario titles. Seems to be what they're set to do.

It's weird. I do love Nintendo, but I think everyone with even a drop of common sense is resigned at this point to them being but a fraction of the overall gaming market. The Wii U is over-designed and full of stuff no one really wants, a sign of Nintendo's desperation to recapture the lightning in a bottle that was the Wii.

Or is it still not politically correct to call the Wii a fad?

That said, I expect Nintendo to make money off the Wii at the end of it all. The 3DS started as a money sink and is now destroying the Vita. That said, the Wii U will be firmly the least selling console of this generation. Not that Nintendo can't make money in this position, but they have to figure out what to do to expand their market in a more permanent way.

#44 Edited by PandaBear (1264 posts) -