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#1 Edited by whatisdelicious (1194 posts) -

Hey duders, I don't know if anybody else already did this, but I was just watching the Xbox One livestream archive on Twitch and I thought the part where @vinny was listing what each color looked like to him was pretty fascinating. I always love hearing about what stuff looks like to him and Jeff. So I thought it'd be fun to change the color scale according to the colors Vinny mentioned (yes, I totally had to look up what "ochre" looks like, haha).

Here's a larger still of how Vinny sees them:

And here's a larger still of the original for reference:

Nothing scientific, just a quick and dirty Photoshop. Just thought it'd be fun to see. Anyway, back to watching the livestream for me.

#2 Posted by RazielCuts (2909 posts) -

I feel like looking at the comparisons too long is going to make me colourblind.

#3 Posted by Hailinel (23680 posts) -

Makes me wonder what he sees when he sees Mario and Luigi.

#4 Edited by Kung_Fu_Viking (697 posts) -

Now we need to do colour replacements on a variety of scenes using this colour palette as a guide and we will be able to see the world in Vinny-Vision.

#5 Edited by Colourful_Hippie (4328 posts) -

Vinn-Vision should be a VinnCo product.

#6 Edited by ArtelinaRose (1831 posts) -

Life would be way cooler if I viewed the world in neons like Vinny does.

#7 Posted by bigjeffrey (4710 posts) -

I want vinny vision

#8 Posted by kadaju86 (17 posts) -

This just makes me curious what colors Vinny sees on the Vinny-Vision one :P

#9 Edited by Sanj (2341 posts) -

There's a fascinating theory where essentially everybody sees colours differently. Colour doesn't actually exist in the outside world, it's created in our heads. Our brains convert the electromagnetic spectrum into colour. Basically, colour is an illusion. And since there's no way for anyone to observe what a colour looks like inside the mind of someone else, nor is anyone able to describe what a colour looks like to them, it's possible that my red is different from your red, for example.

We know for a fact that it's possible for people to see colours differently, such as with Jeff and Vinny. However, we can discuss the differences of their sight because people with their condition can't see things most of us can. But it's possible that there are ways of seeing colours differently without altering your performance in a colour blindness test.

E.g. Someone who sees this:



like this:



would still pass the test.

#10 Posted by ViciousReiven (815 posts) -

I really want someone to take that color chart and create a photo filter out of it, I might do it myself if I can figure out a way.

#11 Posted by Azteck (7450 posts) -

@sanj: That sounds really interesting actually. Never thought of it that way

#12 Edited by Sanj (2341 posts) -

@azteck said:

@sanj: That sounds really interesting actually. Never thought of it that way

I know, right? It could explain why some people hate orange...I love orange.

Oh and I have to credit Vsauce. I paraphrased a chunk of what they said from their YouTube video on this topic

#13 Posted by Humanity (8714 posts) -

I always find it really interesting when Vinny or Jeff start talking about colors. To me something that is very obvious, is so different for them.

#14 Posted by Kovie (198 posts) -

I can't speak with too much confidence, but from what I understand when Vinny called out red and orange, he was taking a somewhat educated guess. So the colors he called out aren't necessarily how he perceives them.

#15 Edited by whatisdelicious (1194 posts) -

@sanj said:

There's a fascinating theory where essentially everybody sees colours differently. Colour doesn't actually exist in the outside world, it's created in our heads. Our brains convert the electromagnetic spectrum into colour. Basically, colour is an illusion. And since there's no way for anyone to observe what a colour looks like inside the mind of someone else, nor is anyone able to describe what a colour looks like to them, it's possible that my red is different from your red, for example.

Oh man, I always have such a tough time trying to explain that concept to people, but it's always this weird concept that's been on my mind. That's such a better way. I think about that a lot. We'd even be looking at your examples in totally different ways. Color and perception stuff is seriously so fascinating to me.

This is maybe weirder, but I've always liked trying to imagine a color I've never seen before. Like, if I asked you to do that right now, you'd probably just say that's dumb and impossible, but let's do a thought experiment: Imagine you've grown up in a controlled environment where I've kept red from you. You've seen every other color. So if I told you to imagine green or blue or yellow, you could totally do it. Like right now I'm just imagining grass, the sky, and a taxi for each respectively. But if I told you to imagine red, you wouldn't be able to do it because you've never seen red, right? It'd be totally insane for you to try and imagine that. No point of reference. But then I can just show you a stop sign or a traffic light or even the "Post Reply" button below, and it'd blow your mind.

So I'd just lie there in my bed, trying to imagine a color I've never seen before.

@kovie said:

I can't speak with too much confidence, but from what I understand when Vinny called out red and orange, he was taking a somewhat educated guess. So the colors he called out aren't necessarily how he perceives them.

Yeah, I was just ballparking and trying to just go with whatever words he used to describe them. I tried to keep colors the same if he basically got it or only make a subtle change. Like that one in the bottom-right he described as brown, so I just barely changed it to be a little more brown, and in the .gif it's almost impossible to tell I even changed it.

I think he was just trying to describe it and that's the closest word, so he might see it the same as you or I, but I just wanted to stick to whatever words he used. It won't be 100% accurate, but it's pretty interesting nonetheless.

#16 Posted by ttthrasher (49 posts) -
#17 Posted by ShaggE (6294 posts) -

@sanj: That theory always drives me nuts trying to wrap my head around it. Especially since it'll probably never be proven or disproven.

... Gah, I typed this ten minutes ago, then got lost in thought trying to conceive the implications again, haha.

#18 Posted by Pr1mus (3778 posts) -

So what happens when Vinny looks at that image showing us what he sees?

We need to go deeper.

#19 Edited by Hailinel (23680 posts) -

@pr1mus said:

So what happens when Vinny looks at that image showing us what he sees?

We need to go deeper.

Vinception.

#20 Posted by Ramone (2954 posts) -

@sanj: I really don't think that theory holds any water at all. Most people can agree which colours go with each other, which colours are more subtle and which ones are more garish, which colours represent certain emotions or thoughts. People who aren't colourblind see colours the exact same way, that's how their names came about.

#21 Posted by Superkenon (1353 posts) -

@ramone said:

@sanj: I really don't think that theory holds any water at all. Most people can agree which colours go with each other, which colours are more subtle and which ones are more garish, which colours represent certain emotions or thoughts. People who aren't colourblind see colours the exact same way, that's how their names came about.

Colors most widely considered "garish" have more to do with brightness and 'saturation level' (for a lack of a better word coming to me) than anything else, or whether the color combinations are inversions of each other and whatnot. All these things would be common truths even if the hues people saw differed.

Besides, I'd disagree that 'most people' agree on colors anyway. Favorite color is, like, the most subjective thing ever.

#22 Posted by Xanadu (264 posts) -

@superkenon: he wasn't talking about peoples favorite color. He said most ppl can agree which colors go next to each other in a chart or which colors represent happy and sad or other emotions.

#23 Edited by Scrawnto (2433 posts) -

Colorblindness is super weird. Unlike Jeff and Vinny, who have red-weak vision, I have green-weak vision. Just last night, I discovered that Maleficent from Sleeping Beauty had green skin, and it blew my mind. It's crazy how you can just not notice something like that for decades.

#24 Edited by Sanj (2341 posts) -

@whatisdelicious: That's fascinating. It's crazy to think that there are actual colours that exist that our brains can't process. Humans have 3 colour-receptive cones; green, blue and red, which allow us to see those colours and all the colours derived from them. Butterflies, however, have 5 colour receptive cones, so they can see 2 additional colours. Madness!

#25 Posted by Dark (360 posts) -

@scrawnto said:

Colorblindness is super weird. Unlike Jeff and Vinny, who have red-weak vision, I have green-weak vision. Just last night, I discovered that Maleficent from Sleeping Beauty had green skin, and it blew my mind. It's crazy how you can just not notice something like that for decades.

Wait her skin is green? MY GOD my colorblindness ruins everything

#26 Edited by tourgen (4426 posts) -

The variety and range of human vision is fairly amazing. I think most people don't really understand this because we only ever experience one vision "setting" for most of our lives (until your lenses slowly start to turn brown and deteriorate with age).

#27 Posted by RazielCuts (2909 posts) -

@dark said:

@scrawnto said:

Colorblindness is super weird. Unlike Jeff and Vinny, who have red-weak vision, I have green-weak vision. Just last night, I discovered that Maleficent from Sleeping Beauty had green skin, and it blew my mind. It's crazy how you can just not notice something like that for decades.

Wait her skin is green? MY GOD my colorblindness ruins everything

There's a film happening and it looks t-e-r-r-i-b-l-e.

#28 Posted by UpsideDownAce (54 posts) -

@pr1mus: I remember Jeff talking about looking at the color spectrum of people who are colorblind and people who have "normal" vision saying that the colorblind spectrum didn't look the same as the "normal" spectrum. He said the colorblind spectrum looked different than what he normally sees.

#29 Posted by DeadpanCakes (776 posts) -

Reminds me of when they all took colorblindness tests in one UPF.

The situations that arise from Vinny and Jeff being colorblind never ceases to amuse me.

#30 Posted by EXTomar (4446 posts) -

My gut is telling me this can be solved by a Vinnco Product of some sort.

#31 Posted by Nodima (1057 posts) -

It is true, however, that pink does not actually exist, despite being one of the more prominent colors in human expression.

http://newsfeed.time.com/2012/03/07/does-the-color-pink-exist-scientists-arent-sure/

"I know, of course, that all colors are just waves of light, so every color we “see,” we see with our brains. But what

this video

says is that there is no such thing as a band of wavelengths that mix red and violet, and therefore, pink is not a real wavelength of light. That’s why pink is an invention. It’s not a name we give to something out there. Pink isn’t out there.

Read more:

Does the Color Pink Exist? Scientists Aren't Sure | TIME.com

http://newsfeed.time.com/2012/03/07/does-the-color-pink-exist-scientists-arent-sure/#ixzz2lWTKLGCU"

#32 Posted by Scrawnto (2433 posts) -

@nodima: I guess I'd say that it's not a pure color, but to say it doesn't exist might be overstating things. You can make the same arguments against white. White is equally a matter of perception, where all three types of our color receptors are being stimulated the right amount to seem equal. There are plenty of things that are inventions that exist. That said, anything that doesn't have the same color receptors as you (including a colorblind person like Jeff or Vinny) isn't going to see pink like you do, if at all.

#33 Edited by joshwent (2051 posts) -

This is maybe weirder, but I've always liked trying to imagine a color I've never seen before. Like, if I asked you to do that right now, you'd probably just say that's dumb and impossible, but let's do a thought experiment: Imagine you've grown up in a controlled environment where I've kept red from you. You've seen every other color. So if I told you to imagine green or blue or yellow, you could totally do it. Like right now I'm just imagining grass, the sky, and a taxi for each respectively. But if I told you to imagine red, you wouldn't be able to do it because you've never seen red, right? It'd be totally insane for you to try and imagine that. No point of reference. But then I can just show you a stop sign or a traffic light or even the "Post Reply" button below, and it'd blow your mind.

Potentially stranger still is whole societies that grouped colors we now perceive to be separate, into one word.

#34 Posted by GreggD (4475 posts) -

Life would be way cooler if I viewed the world in neons like Vinny does.

His whole life is Vice City and Hotline Miami. I'm gonna buy Vinny a pastel and ice cream suit for Christmas.

#35 Edited by TrafalgarLaw (1026 posts) -

If you really want to go down a rabbit hole, you should read up on synesthesia. It's a kinda of a short-circuit in your neuronal networks that connect two unrelated perceptions/senses to each other. Like feeling a color when hearing an audio cue, like a (door)bell. Or assigning a color to each individual numbers. Both my sibling have it, I feel left out :(

#36 Posted by Noblenerf (301 posts) -

@whatisdelicious: Roughly what part of the livestream did "Vinny-vision" ocurr in?

Reminds me of when they all took colorblindness tests in one UPF.

The situations that arise from Vinny and Jeff being colorblind never ceases to amuse me.

That and the sound frequency test were really neat parts of UPF. I think it happened in a May broadcast.

#37 Posted by ArtisanBreads (3720 posts) -

Gray is like teal? Wow.

#38 Posted by EchoEcho (813 posts) -

I took a color blindness test a while back, prompted by the guys taking one during a livestream. At the end of the test, after determining the type of color blindness I actually suffer from, it presented two images of the exact same scene, and which -- to me, at least -- looked perfectly identical. Then my girlfriend walked over and pointed out each and every color difference between the two images (which to her were super obvious). Turns out, there was hardly anything in the second image that was the same color as its counterpart in the first image. It was kind of depressing.

#39 Edited by whatisdelicious (1194 posts) -

@noblenerf: It was within the first few minutes of the stream, right after loading up Jeff's menu for the first time. Here's a link to the start of the color discussion.

Also, yeah, sound frequency tests are crazy too. I bought a plasma TV earlier this year that gave off this awful ringing noise the moment it turned on, but only I could hear it. My roommate and my friends that I brought over to listen all thought I was just crazy, so I made us take a sound frequency test and it just turns out that they can't hear nearly as high of frequencies as me. It's super weird when I'd turn on the TV or play the higher frequency noises and I'd hear it clear as day and they wouldn't react at all. But so I had to send the TV back and swap it out for an LCD TV that didn't hurt my ears.

#40 Posted by Bollard (5202 posts) -

@sanj said:

There's a fascinating theory where essentially everybody sees colours differently. Colour doesn't actually exist in the outside world, it's created in our heads. Our brains convert the electromagnetic spectrum into colour. Basically, colour is an illusion. And since there's no way for anyone to observe what a colour looks like inside the mind of someone else, nor is anyone able to describe what a colour looks like to them, it's possible that my red is different from your red, for example.

I have never read about that theory, but always wondered if that was a thing!

#41 Posted by GaspoweR (2752 posts) -

@echoecho: Now, I'm curious as to what color test you took. Can you perhaps still recall what it is and link it or just mention the title? :D

#42 Edited by EchoEcho (813 posts) -
#43 Posted by von_wemberg (158 posts) -

@kadaju86: Yeah, that's what I want to know now as well...

Online
#44 Posted by Noblenerf (301 posts) -

@whatisdelicious: Thanks for the link! Some of what Patrick and Brad said makes me think they have their own versions of Vinny-vision...

#45 Posted by GaspoweR (2752 posts) -
#46 Posted by believer258 (11563 posts) -

@dark said:

@scrawnto said:

Colorblindness is super weird. Unlike Jeff and Vinny, who have red-weak vision, I have green-weak vision. Just last night, I discovered that Maleficent from Sleeping Beauty had green skin, and it blew my mind. It's crazy how you can just not notice something like that for decades.

Wait her skin is green? MY GOD my colorblindness ruins everything

What color did you think her skin was?

Anyway, I've long since wondered if I would trade my not-great vision for colorblind vision with a lot of clarity. Do far away things actually appear clear to people? Can you make out faces from across a big room? I can see vibrant colors perfectly, and I have no problem determining what objects far away are doing. I just can't make out detail from far away.

#47 Posted by MonkeyKing1969 (2528 posts) -

You also have to take into account not only what Vinny sees, but also his inability to actually know what some of the words he was using meant. That makes Vinny's Color wheel a semantic argument as well. When he said Mauve does he really know what color that is supposed to be?

#48 Posted by Scrawnto (2433 posts) -

@dark said:

@scrawnto said:

Colorblindness is super weird. Unlike Jeff and Vinny, who have red-weak vision, I have green-weak vision. Just last night, I discovered that Maleficent from Sleeping Beauty had green skin, and it blew my mind. It's crazy how you can just not notice something like that for decades.

Wait her skin is green? MY GOD my colorblindness ruins everything

What color did you think her skin was?

Anyway, I've long since wondered if I would trade my not-great vision for colorblind vision with a lot of clarity. Do far away things actually appear clear to people? Can you make out faces from across a big room? I can see vibrant colors perfectly, and I have no problem determining what objects far away are doing. I just can't make out detail from far away.

It pretty much looks like normal skin color to me. For that matter, I still don't know whether someone "looking a little green" when they're ill is a figure of speech or an actual description of color.

Also, as a person with not-great vision and colorblindness, I would totally take the normal color vision. At least I can wear glasses for the other problem.

#49 Posted by Scrawnto (2433 posts) -

You also have to take into account not only what Vinny sees, but also his inability to actually know what some of the words he was using meant. That makes Vinny's Color wheel a semantic argument as well. When he said Mauve does he really know what color that is supposed to be?

Mauve, magenta, fuchsia, and maroon all might as well be made up words, as far as I'm concerned.

#50 Edited by Jagman (1 posts) -

@sanj: Isn't the theory that people may perceive different colors as (for example) red or green bunk because the rods and cones in our eyes respond to specific wavelengths of colors? Since a specific shade of red has a specific wavelength, that red is the same for every eye that has functioning rods and cones.