Why don't we play games anymore?

Every time I see someone talking about games, they never talk about playing them. Sure, they'll talk about the level designs and gameplay mechanics and perspective and difficulty, but they never talk about playing them anymore.

WHOA!  WHOOOOOOOOOOA!!!

That gamers are pretentious fops.

Playing is a way of experiencing, so it's just a less childish way of saying that. Get over it.

True.

"Playing is a way of experiencing, so it's just a less childish way of saying that. Get over it."

We do play games. /lock

"HandsomeDead said:

"Playing is a way of experiencing, so it's just a less childish way of saying that. Get over it."

So now you're saying that playing games is for children."

"Arkthemaniac said:

"HandsomeDead said:

"Playing is a way of experiencing, so it's just a less childish way of saying that. Get over it."

So now you're saying that playing games is for children."

I'm saying the word play is associated with childish things by society and people don't want to sound like they do childish things."

i say that 'i play games'

dude this thread is lame.

=andy=

"i say that 'i play games'

dude this thread is lame.

=andy="

I play and experience games... nothing wrong with either choice, really.

"HandsomeDead said:

"Arkthemaniac said:

"HandsomeDead said:

"Playing is a way of experiencing, so it's just a less childish way of saying that. Get over it."

So now you're saying that playing games is for children."

I'm saying the word play is associated with childish things by society and people don't want to sound like they do childish things."

So it's an image thing, like I said."

Eh? People talking about specific things within a game makes them pretentious?

"deadpoool said:

"i say that 'i play games'

dude this thread is lame.

=andy="

You're not on my black list, then, but there are others."

"Jesus Christ, shove a fist down my throat "

I think Ark is simply trying to open any thread or comment on any thread possible to just whine and complain, then pretend to trap people in a corner with their answers.

It really depends how you look at it. You can just play a game, not thinking about graphics, level design, anything. 

I kind of get what you mean, but it seems to be Reviewers that seem to forget that you actually play the game and instead sit on the side lines and scrutinize every section of the game without adding the fun of playing it.

Not that every reviewer does that but alot of them seem to exclude fun. Gamers do teh same thing.

Its like we've gotten to a point where every game thats out there we spend more time dissecting it and comparing it to the last AAA title to actually have fun.


If that wasnt what you were getting at you were just saying that theres alot of elitest douche bags that "experience" games and they're just idiots that think they're above just playing them. Probably the same idiots that wear black turtle necks, drink frappachinos, and believe that games are art.
Not that games are not art but you dont have to be one of the idiots that only see Inde movies to prove it.

"I kind of get what you mean, but it seems to be Reviewers that seem to forget that you actually play the game and instead sit on the side lines and scrutinize every section of the game without adding the fun of playing it.

Not that every reviewer does that but alot of them seem to exclude fun. Gamers do teh same thing.

Its like we've gotten to a point where every game thats out there we spend more time dissecting it and comparing it to the last AAA title to actually have fun.


If that wasnt what you were getting at you were just saying that theres alot of elitest douche bags that "experience" games and they're just idiots that think they're above just playing them. Probably the same idiots that wear black turtle necks, drink frappachinos, and believe that games are art.
Not that games are not art but you dont have to be one of the idiots that only see Inde movies to prove it."

"Prime20 said:

"I kind of get what you mean, but it seems to be Reviewers that seem to forget that you actually play the game and instead sit on the side lines and scrutinize every section of the game without adding the fun of playing it.

Not that every reviewer does that but alot of them seem to exclude fun. Gamers do teh same thing.

Its like we've gotten to a point where every game thats out there we spend more time dissecting it and comparing it to the last AAA title to actually have fun.


If that wasnt what you were getting at you were just saying that theres alot of elitest douche bags that "experience" games and they're just idiots that think they're above just playing them. Probably the same idiots that wear black turtle necks, drink frappachinos, and believe that games are art.
Not that games are not art but you dont have to be one of the idiots that only see Inde movies to prove it."

As a former reviewer, I can say that reviewing games made me hate video games by the time I was done writing.  God of War would've been a million times more fun to me (even though it was still fun) if I wasn't having to say "oh, there's some minor clipping issues here" and "oh, that was a bug I think".  Same with Halo 2 (texturing issues mostly).

I think, as a society, we've come to the point now where tech is so high that we have to pick apart things like that in order to justify the quality of a game.  I can say that I had immense amounts of fun playing Destruction Derby Arenas (and I absolutely did!!!), but regardless, the game is flawed in a million different ways.

Therefore, talking about playing/experiencing/fucking games as a gamer and as a reviewer are two totally different things.

When I read a review nowadays, I don't look for "oh, the graphics are choppy and texturing and blah blah blah".  I just look to see if there are any bugs or glitches that make it unplayable, and see if there is an idea of the general amount of fun the person had with it.  If they are too technical, I switch to a different review.

It's one of the reasons why I always dug the guys on GB, because any time you've ever seen them review a game, they always talk about whether it's fun or not.  Fuck, I'm sure Banjo Kazooie: Nuts & Bolts isn't the perfect game, but I'll be damned if it doesn't end up being fun.

Basically, all that is me saying:  reviewing games ruins fun after a while - playing games can become tiring because you get burned so many times by companies that you need the reviews to help guide you along.

It's a vicious fucking cycle.

"

"The word "experience" represents that cycle, at least to me. That's what I meant. You play games for fun, while you experience them for other reasons. Pretentious reasons. That's what I was getting at."

"Arkthemaniac said:

"The word "experience" represents that cycle, at least to me. That's what I meant. You play games for fun, while you experience them for other reasons. Pretentious reasons. That's what I was getting at."

But you are talking about semantics that don't even matter.  What the fuck does it matter what you call it?  Playing a game and experiencing a game, whether you like it or not, are the same damn thing.  If things like this are what bother you and "really sends (you) off", then you need to get out more and stop worrying so much about something stupid like this.  We can sit and psychoanalyze the meaning and purpose and all that shit, but it's just going to end up sounding like a list of topics that you rant on about when you are stoned and believe you are the most intelligent thing on the planet.  =  /"

Wow...lame fucking thread. Come on.

"Wow...lame fucking thread. Come on."

"Cube said:

"Wow...lame fucking thread. Come on."

It's better to not bump threads you don't like."

"Arkthemaniac said:

"HandsomeDead said:

"Playing is a way of experiencing, so it's just a less childish way of saying that. Get over it."

So now you're saying that playing games is for children."

I'm saying the word play is associated with childish things by society and people don't want to sound like they do childish things."

"Prime20 said:

"I kind of get what you mean, but it seems to be Reviewers that seem to forget that you actually play the game and instead sit on the side lines and scrutinize every section of the game without adding the fun of playing it.

Not that every reviewer does that but alot of them seem to exclude fun. Gamers do teh same thing.

Its like we've gotten to a point where every game thats out there we spend more time dissecting it and comparing it to the last AAA title to actually have fun.


If that wasnt what you were getting at you were just saying that theres alot of elitest douche bags that "experience" games and they're just idiots that think they're above just playing them. Probably the same idiots that wear black turtle necks, drink frappachinos, and believe that games are art.
Not that games are not art but you dont have to be one of the idiots that only see Inde movies to prove it."

As a former reviewer, I can say that reviewing games made me hate video games by the time I was done writing.  God of War would've been a million times more fun to me (even though it was still fun) if I wasn't having to say "oh, there's some minor clipping issues here" and "oh, that was a bug I think".  Same with Halo 2 (texturing issues mostly).

I think, as a society, we've come to the point now where tech is so high that we have to pick apart things like that in order to justify the quality of a game.  I can say that I had immense amounts of fun playing Destruction Derby Arenas (and I absolutely did!!!), but regardless, the game is flawed in a million different ways.

Therefore, talking about playing/experiencing/fucking games as a gamer and as a reviewer are two totally different things.

When I read a review nowadays, I don't look for "oh, the graphics are choppy and texturing and blah blah blah".  I just look to see if there are any bugs or glitches that make it unplayable, and see if there is an idea of the general amount of fun the person had with it.  If they are too technical, I switch to a different review.

It's one of the reasons why I always dug the guys on GB, because any time you've ever seen them review a game, they always talk about whether it's fun or not.  Fuck, I'm sure Banjo Kazooie: Nuts & Bolts isn't the perfect game, but I'll be damned if it doesn't end up being fun.

Basically, all that is me saying:  reviewing games ruins fun after a while - playing games can become tiring because you get burned so many times by companies that you need the reviews to help guide you along.

It's a vicious fucking cycle.

"

I play games for the experience.

"I play games for the experience."

"I play games for the experience."

Who cares?

"Jayge said:

"I play games for the experience."

Very well put. The bottom line of gaming has always been fun. That is the goal, but it's a goal we try to reach in different ways. I wouldn't call an arcade game 'an experience'. We have different words because we want to convey slightly different (but basically the same) meaning. Play just isn't adequate. It has a lot to do with immersion, which is an important factor in today's games. We "experiance" games in a way that you couldn't experience arcade games.


Also, calling a large group of people pretentious for basically semantic reasons is a bit pretentious. :P"

I think other users have managed to answer this thread. Semantics is not really a thing to argue about, as if there is some problem with experiencing something. I experience games while playing them, and maybe there is an actual topic to talk about in what experience something means, but this thread doesn't have much weighting towards that.

Oh, and I have talked about experiencing music and films before too, so it's not just a gaming thing.

HOw can we play games taht are not even out yet. a derp a derp

Another completely fucking useless post by Arkthemaniac. Get laid, there's a experience for you.

"I play games for the experience."

people will experience video games the same way some people will really connect to a piece of literature or art.

I play games, i might "experience" the cutscenes in a game tho

I thought this thread was gonna be about how we just spend all of our precious time on forums talking about games, dissing them, praising them, hyping them, etc. Instead of actually playing any games anymore we just discuss them online.

I couldn't have been more wrong. >_>

As a former reviewer, I can say that reviewing games made me hate video games by the time I was done writing.  God of War would've been a million times more fun to me (even though it was still fun) if I wasn't having to say "oh, there's some minor clipping issues here" and "oh, that was a bug I think".  Same with Halo 2 (texturing issues mostly).

I think, as a society, we've come to the point now where tech is so high that we have to pick apart things like that in order to justify the quality of a game.  I can say that I had immense amounts of fun playing Destruction Derby Arenas (and I absolutely did!!!), but regardless, the game is flawed in a million different ways.

Therefore, talking about playing/experiencing/fucking games as a gamer and as a reviewer are two totally different things.

When I read a review nowadays, I don't look for "oh, the graphics are choppy and texturing and blah blah blah".  I just look to see if there are any bugs or glitches that make it unplayable, and see if there is an idea of the general amount of fun the person had with it.  If they are too technical, I switch to a different review.

It's one of the reasons why I always dug the guys on GB, because any time you've ever seen them review a game, they always talk about whether it's fun or not.  Fuck, I'm sure Banjo Kazooie: Nuts & Bolts isn't the perfect game, but I'll be damned if it doesn't end up being fun.

Basically, all that is me saying:  reviewing games ruins fun after a while - playing games can become tiring because you get burned so many times by companies that you need the reviews to help guide you along.

It's a vicious fucking cycle.

"

"That gamers are pretentious fops."

Woh! people still play games? Being on a gaming website i would never have guessed.

I experience games so I may play them.

I dont consider myself a gamer, but they do bring amazing, sometime breathtaking experiences. That's the reason i play them.

"Every time I see someone talking about games, they never talk about playing them. Sure, they'll talk about the level designs and gameplay mechanics and perspective and difficulty, but they never talk about playing them anymore.

Now, it's all about "experiencing" games.

Jesus Christ, shove a fist down my throat with this stuff. Why do we not say "play" games? You "watch" movies. You don't "experience" them. You "hear" music. You don't "experience" it. Why do games have to be different? Whenever someone talks about the experience, I think of them as a pretentious fop who needs justification for pouring in countless hours and funds into games other than the immediate reward. He needs them to be "appreciated."

It really sends me off.

"

You are reading WAY too much into Video Games, Please stop.

There Video Games, we play them, and most of the time we enjoy them, end of.

-- God Bless.

videogames... ARE an experience in their own right

"Arkthemaniac said:

"HandsomeDead said:

"Playing is a way of experiencing, so it's just a less childish way of saying that. Get over it."

So now you're saying that playing games is for children."

I'm saying the word play is associated with childish things by society and people don't want to sound like they do childish things."