#51 Posted by Levio (1786 posts) -

You could make the argument that Rocketgirl is parody and thus is meant to make fun of this trope rather than revel in it. I believe this is what Patrick is thinking but hasn't put it into words. He should really say so if this is the case.

#52 Posted by mdnthrvst (269 posts) -

@WindFall259 said:

@martyarf said:

This is why, as glad as I am that you're at least attempting to highlight issues in the games industry, ultimately you fall flat. A little knowledge is a dangerous thing, and you should not be acting as gatekeeper over what is and isn't sexist - that is for women to decide.

...What?

Sexism goes both ways. You only want all the women in the world to decide what's sexist and what isn't for men too? That's just bad news man. Now, abortion: that's something for women to decide. Sexism as a whole? No.

If you are alleging that men are seriously discriminated against based on their sex in ANY society ever, I'd love to hear your evidence, if only for a good laugh.

#53 Edited by durden77 (303 posts) -

Rocketgirl. You are kidding me.

I'd like to see those same eight women's responses to Rocketgirl. Hell, there's actually a pretty legit game behind that stupid blown out of proportion Dead Island statue that, as far as I know, isn't concentrated on sexism.

On the other hand, why would anyone have any passing interest in Rocketgirl other than the fact that it uses scantily dressed ladies riding dicks to garner attention? Excuse me, rockets.

How is that not female exploitation at it's finest?

#54 Posted by PimblyCharles (1642 posts) -

Great WR this week. Thanks Patrick

#55 Edited by ripelivejam (4871 posts) -

i think patrick was more drawn to the japanese-like insanity of rocketgirl, though it is pretty obvious in its T&A. i can see the appeal in it beyond just BOOBZ. kinda has a sudo51 flair to it maybe?

#56 Posted by crusader8463 (14429 posts) -

@Levio said:

You could make the argument that Rocketgirl is parody and thus is meant to make fun of this trope rather than revel in it. I believe this is what Patrick is thinking but hasn't put it into words. He should really say so if this is the case.

And so is the boob statue. It's a parody on the whole trashy horror/zombie movie stuff from the 70's/80's/early 90's that the game also is based on. He goofed and people are calling him on it. There is no way this doesn't come out as being completely hypocritical.

#57 Edited by mrfluke (5345 posts) -

@crusader8463 said:

Wow, really surprised after the shitstorm with Dead Island the last thing I would have expected was Pat thinking a game like Rocket Girl to be ok. Guess it's fine as long as he finds it funny, but a moral outrage and a plight that needs to be stopped if he doesn't. You don't get to have your cake and eat it too. Or in this case I guess he does.

The game for anyone that's curious.

just that picture alone, the chick is rubbing up on a phalic shaped missle, you see a lot up her skirt, she has her hand around the missile suggestively, all the characters in the game have crazy proportions that usually drew the ire from feminists ............how does that not rile patrick and feminists up, how is this not considered "sexist"?! but something like rumble roses, dead or alive, and the chicks from 999 and vlr are considered "sexist" because they have big videogame breasts?!........

Patrick really should come clean with what he defines as offensive sexism. cause i just dont understand anymore.and i dont buy the point that rocketgirl is completely different or rather that rocketgirl doesnt count as sexist

#58 Posted by Trilogy (2690 posts) -

At first, I thought you guys were being overly combative with Patrick about rocket girl. And then I clicked on the link.

Fuck.

#59 Posted by umdesch4 (771 posts) -

@ReverendHunt said:

Not Pac-Man makes my eyes hurt just watching it @.@

You think that's bad? I just tried playing it. Ow, my aching brain! At least it's worth a laugh...

#60 Edited by Treemoss (18 posts) -

Patrick: Complains with "just shut up already" about Leeland Yee linking video games to violence but at the same time writes several articles about how video games are sexist, and then links to a game with women in bikinis riding phallus shaped objects as a good game he wants to promote on Greenlight. Wat.

#61 Posted by FengShuiGod (1492 posts) -

Rocketgirl? Wow.

Also, "which anyone could have predicted that a mile away." It's like Patrick can't get through an article without at least one nonsensical sentence.

#62 Posted by dreffen (37 posts) -

@Treemoss said:

Patrick: Complains with "just shut up already" about Leeland Yee linking video games to violence but at the same time writes several articles about how video games are sexist.

Giant Bomb user complains about A Thing, tries to link them somehow.

#63 Posted by RetroVirus (1492 posts) -

I love what you do Patrick, keep up the great work!

#64 Posted by GrantHeaslip (1606 posts) -

@patrickklepek said:

@Pr1mus said:

@buft said:

@Pr1mus said:

Rocketgirl...

He has to do it on purpose.

i thought that too

Yeah and the more i think about it the more i hate it. If it's on purpose that's just gross. If it's not that just show how much of an hypocrite about this stuff he is.

I'm gonna be called a hater i guess but oh well.

C'mon. There's a big difference here. Rocketgirl is just straight ridiculous and stupid.

And that statue was meant to be taken seriously?

I can see the distinction — they’re not the same kind of stupid — but I very much doubt the many of the women whose responses you just published would be okay with Rocketgirl. Obviously you don’t need to share their opinions, and constantly worrying about appearing hypocritical is a paralyzing, boring way to live, but do you not see how you’re practically begging for people to jump on this?

#65 Posted by brownsfantb (401 posts) -

Patrick, I was with you on the Dead Island statue and the article about it this week but man, putting Rocket Girl on here is just bad taste. It's as blatantly obvious with its T&A as that bikini statue was. Not a great way to build credibility.

#66 Posted by KoolAid (1034 posts) -

Everytime a worth reading comes out, I'm happy that Patrick is a part of this site.

#67 Posted by happymeowmeow (216 posts) -

That Dowton Abbey snes video was great.

Does a real game about Butlers exist, somewhere? If not, one HAS TO BE MADE. Is there a word for the art of Butlering ? Butlery ?

#68 Edited by GunstarRed (5475 posts) -

Played the demo they put out of Freedom Planet a while ago, It didn't feel like the good Sonic game we have been waiting for. It handled really poorly and had horrendous level design. It does look like they have done a ton of stuff to it since then though.

#69 Posted by ptys (1992 posts) -

Love Worth Reading, but think having a numeric date in the title makes it look like a generic blog post, as opposed to a proper article. (You should workshop that.)

#70 Posted by GioVANNI (1293 posts) -

That Westerado flash game is pretty fucking awesome.

#71 Posted by RE_Player1 (7526 posts) -

Thanks for lining that Freedom Planet kickstarter. Read about the page and decided to back it. Interesting throwback and for $10 why not?

#73 Posted by coaxmetal (1657 posts) -

" which anyone could have predicted that a mile away". Come on man. Have someone else read this.

#74 Posted by Shaymarx (113 posts) -

Rocket Girl is exploitative, having played the XBLIG trial, although you wouldn't need to to make an accurate guess it really is not worth anyone's time unless you are a fan of exploitative "art". It is no less offensive than the not to be availible in the USA Riptide Bust. I too would like to know what boundaries Patrick felt we're crossed with the bust but not with rocket girl or Dead Island Riptide the actual game or its other pieces of marketing. Much Love

#75 Posted by m2cks (594 posts) -

You've travelled to Cybertown and back last Summer. This Summer, we've got a bone to pick with you... CYBERTOWN 2: BONETOWN. Summer 2013

#76 Posted by Shaymarx (113 posts) -

BTW: Rocket Girl as a game is little more than a clone/ripoff of Tecno Kitten Adventure. The difference being if I recall correctly is that stages in Rocket Girl have an end and thus the game has structured progression which I have not witnessed due to not wanting to purchase the game.

#77 Posted by Flappy (2354 posts) -

Sweet sugar! Yet another Worth Reading tainted by nonsensical debates in the comments section. Maybe I'm too relaxed or something, but some of you seem to pick apart any and everything just for the sake of firing shots at Patrick. Take a deep breath and stop taking things so seriously. You'll live longer.

At this rate, these sexism talks (If we can even call them that at this point) will be the downfall of this community. Eh, it's a tossup between that and the forced memes.

#78 Posted by punkxblaze (2990 posts) -

Saints Row homie looks kind of like a haggard Ben Affleck. And by that, I mean he just kind of looks like Ben Affleck.

#79 Posted by Little_Socrates (5715 posts) -

As a big fan of Not Tetris 2, Not Pacman is bullshit.

That Vigil letter was pretty emotional, though.

#80 Posted by Smokey_Earhole (474 posts) -

"Thankfully, my ability to outsource a rough draft of my interview transcripts (I always double check ‘em)"

Lolololol

#81 Posted by Levio (1786 posts) -

@dreffen said:

@Treemoss said:

Patrick: Complains with "just shut up already" about Leeland Yee linking video games to violence but at the same time writes several articles about how video games are sexist.

Giant Bomb user complains about A Thing, tries to link them somehow.

Did you just write a post about your own post? That is actually kind of awesome.

#82 Posted by dreffen (37 posts) -

@Levio said:

@dreffen said:

@Treemoss said:

Patrick: Complains with "just shut up already" about Leeland Yee linking video games to violence but at the same time writes several articles about how video games are sexist.

Giant Bomb user complains about A Thing, tries to link them somehow.

Did you just write a post about your own post? That is actually kind of awesome.

It works on all levels!

#83 Posted by dr_mantas (2057 posts) -

Sorry for starting the forum thread about your story before it was published, Patrick.

Hope it didn't fuel the fires too much.

#84 Posted by golguin (4050 posts) -

I would like Patrick to dig deeper into the animation priority type of games with Dark Souls. His appreciation for ZombieU shows he's prepared for the task.

#85 Posted by Nictel (2440 posts) -

I wonder if Jason Rubin knows its really offensive to show the bottom of your shoe in a lot of cultures.

#86 Posted by Winternet (8055 posts) -

Leland Yee, old friend, how have you been?

#87 Edited by hintonblogs (5 posts) -

I'd have thought the difference between Rocketgirl and the Dead Island bust is fairly obvious:

Rocketgirl is so over the top that it couldn't in any way, shape or form be taken seriously. It's shrouded in complete ridiculousness. If it was a more subdued game that didn't have that crazy gameplay then you could certainly make a point for it being 'sexist', but at no point does the game seemingly want you to take it seriously.

On the other hand I keep seeing people trying to defend the Dead Island bust as some kind of tongue-in-cheek thing but that doesn't work. Nothing about the way it's presented suggests that, because indeed nothing about the game is tongue-in-cheek. If say Dead Island was the Saints Row of zombie killing then you could absolutely make that case. But it isn't. It's an all too serious (Remember the tone of those trailers) game that's used an ill-advised lowest common denominator appeal to get people to pre-order their product.

Tone is the key here, not so much the content. You can't just point to things and say sexist or not without trying to establish the context in which they're used.

#88 Posted by JoeyRavn (4983 posts) -

Every week it's the same: Patrick's extremist pro-reading campaign. What is this? Giant Bomb or THE LIBRARY OF CONGRESS?

#89 Posted by BonzoPongo (111 posts) -

@patrickklepek Rocketgirl is perpetuating the stereotype that it is trying to rally against. It's the equivalent of growing an ironic mustache.

#90 Posted by alibson (165 posts) -

You guys should check your privilege, it's Patrick's website, he decides what's sexist and what isn't.

#91 Posted by Parsnip (1116 posts) -

At least there's a weekly Guns of Navarro now.

#92 Posted by ConnorHallTheMighty (37 posts) -

I think all these politicians targetting video games and violence are doing it because they know it's a sensitive topic. Flexing their already over-privileged, over-abused power. They want to make sure they get us to "behave," so we don't actually rise up and throw those corrupt bastards taking advantage of us out of office. They're getting us to blame the crime committer, when really we should be blaming the politician trying to outlaw it

#93 Posted by Dezztroy (864 posts) -

@mdnthrvst said:

@WindFall259 said:

@martyarf said:

This is why, as glad as I am that you're at least attempting to highlight issues in the games industry, ultimately you fall flat. A little knowledge is a dangerous thing, and you should not be acting as gatekeeper over what is and isn't sexist - that is for women to decide.

...What?

Sexism goes both ways. You only want all the women in the world to decide what's sexist and what isn't for men too? That's just bad news man. Now, abortion: that's something for women to decide. Sexism as a whole? No.

If you are alleging that men are seriously discriminated against based on their sex in ANY society ever, I'd love to hear your evidence, if only for a good laugh.

Suggesting that men are immune to sexism and never have to worry about it makes you extremely sexist.

No, I'm not saying men have it worse than women.

#94 Posted by oueddy (59 posts) -

Reading these comments and the other shitstorms of comments make me depressed, I'm going to stop reading the comments and just enjoy the content this site produces. Hopefully one day the mess of clearly emasculated and hard done by young men here will grow up and we can all get along.

#95 Edited by Neon25 (40 posts) -

@mdnthrvst said:

If you are alleging that men are seriously discriminated against based on their sex in ANY society ever, I'd love to hear your evidence, if only for a good laugh.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=18c_1242448918 - A veteran Edmonton taxi driver is speaking publicly about a civil lawsuit he filed last year against four young women who falsely accused him of sexual assault after travelling in his car three years ago. Fortunely he had RECORDED THE VIDEO INSIDE HIS CAB, otherwise he would have been rotting in prison just because women claimed they were raped, without any proof whatsoever.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=182_1346689914- Without the video, he's in jail for 20 years, allegations of rape plus witnesses. Such is the power of the testimony of a woman in a rape case - no matter how neurotic she is. Thank God, or rather, thank technology, for video cameras.

http://www.redding.com/news/2012/jun/29/burney-woman-pleads-no-contest-in-teen-sex-case/ - A 24-year-old Burney woman pleaded no contest Thursday in Shasta County Superior Court to having sex with a 15-year-old boy. In exchange for her plea, Shell Amelia Harper agreed to a sentence of 180 days in jail and three years' probation. She won't be required to register as a sex offender, but will face four years in prison if she violates the terms of her probation, her defense attorney said Friday.

Now imagine what would happen if it was a 24-year-old guy with a 15 years old girl?

A group of 3 girls strip an 11-year-old boy on the street, laugh at him, post the video on the internet. The mother doesn't want to press charges, because it was "a prank".

The boy is crying and screaming during the whole thing, and during one moment his throat is held by a girl's knee to stop him from screaming.

Imagine an opposite situation.

Imagine an 11 year old girl striped naked in public by three boys, video posted online by one of the boys.

In what fantasy world would this be considered a prank? Who can even picture them not being charged with sexual assault, attempted rape, probably put down as pedophiles dealing in child pornography, etc.

When a boy is humiliated, sexually assaulted and traumatized it's bullying, when a girl has her feelings hurt it's a sign of the patriarchal system that all women have to live with each day.

Fuck. That.

Anyone who sees something like this and isn't furious should be shown for the horrid person they are. The girls should be tried with sexual assault (at least) the mother should be tried with neglect for not pressing charges after seeing this and the 1) boy 2) girls 3) mother should get some kind of help with their respective problems.

How is this not sexual assault? There shouldn't be an option when it comes to pressing charges or not. A crime was committed and they need to see the consequences for their actions. I am so utterly disgusted and disappointed by the mother.

Imagine if "man" was replaced by "woman" on the cover.

Is that enough?

#96 Posted by Carousel (418 posts) -

Patrick "It's Only Offensive if I Say it is" Klepek.

Thank you for being my moral guardian.

#97 Posted by Andy_117 (169 posts) -

@Dezztroy said:

@mdnthrvst said:

@WindFall259 said:

@martyarf said:

This is why, as glad as I am that you're at least attempting to highlight issues in the games industry, ultimately you fall flat. A little knowledge is a dangerous thing, and you should not be acting as gatekeeper over what is and isn't sexist - that is for women to decide.

...What?

Sexism goes both ways. You only want all the women in the world to decide what's sexist and what isn't for men too? That's just bad news man. Now, abortion: that's something for women to decide. Sexism as a whole? No.

If you are alleging that men are seriously discriminated against based on their sex in ANY society ever, I'd love to hear your evidence, if only for a good laugh.

Suggesting that men are immune to sexism and never have to worry about it makes you extremely sexist.

No, I'm not saying men have it worse than women.

Hell, men are discriminated on based on their sex by other men, just was women are discriminated on by other women.

The sexism problem extends to women for more than men in the gaming industry - arguably most team-based creative industries, and technology industries. But sexism is indeed a problem for everyone. I mean, the number of feminists that discriminate against transgendered people is truly horrific. Sexism is a huge, big problem, and while men hold more power in a lot of places, discrimination happens.

HOWEVER. I would not go so far as to say raising awareness about sexism against one gender goes to silence sexism to the other. Some issues are more pressing than others to some people. It doesn't mean they're disregarded; and indeed, women probably, overall, have it worse than men. But it does happen and it is a problem. Really, if your idea of advocating equal rights is to silence people, then you're doing it wrong.

#98 Posted by dropabombonit (1492 posts) -

That Destroy All Humans stream was fascinating, so much stuff I never knew about the game. I remember really enjoying that game when it came out despite its flaws

#99 Edited by ProfessorEss (7523 posts) -
@Neon25: Holy moly, and can you imagine if that picture on the cover was a woman with a tail on her knees begging like a dog?! 
#100 Posted by DedBeet (338 posts) -

@Carousel said:

Patrick "It's Only Offensive if I Say it is" Klepek.

Thank you for being my moral guardian.

I think someone is lacking some perspective. We're all pretty unique, wouldn't you agree? So, with billions of unique people, there are likely to be millions to billions of unique opinions, that makes sense, right? Now, suppose you work at a website and your job is to provide some editorial content. Yes, I know that Patrick was introduced to us as a News guy but, since he has contributed quite a bit of editorial content, I think it's safe to assume it's part of his job description. Now, say that is your job, I'd imagine sometimes you'd feel moved to write about things you find offensive since you may believe that awareness of an issue needs to raised. Now, it's important to remember that you're posting something you find offensive. You. Not everyone because there's no way to do that due to the millions/billions unique opinions we discussed earlier. And, assuming you have an audience the size of the GB community, I think it's safe to assume some won't find the issue offensive or, worse, feel that you're trying to manipulate them into finding a subject offensive. Now, in writing your article, were you trying to be their "moral guardian" or were you just doing your job and providing content for a site that people are free to read or ignore?