#101 Posted by George_Hukas (1317 posts) -

Does anyone else make content on this site?

#102 Posted by DedBeet (284 posts) -

@George_Hukas said:

Does anyone else make content on this site?

I'm wondering if the comments sections of articles is starting to count as content. If so, we all do :)

#103 Posted by Shimakaze (166 posts) -

@Neon25: One of the best posts ever on this site.

#104 Posted by MikeW1980UK (69 posts) -

The reason Rocketgirl and Cart Life get passes with Paddy is that their indie, and in his eyes indie can do no wrong. If a game has 50 or more people working on it, then he nit-picks at anything he can.

I stopped listening to any opinion he has and I feel better for it.

I do like Worth Reading and most of his Quick Looks.

#105 Posted by HeghmohQib (184 posts) -

Anyone else notice Downton Abby was the Clock Tower mansion?

#106 Posted by ThePaleKing (613 posts) -

@MikeW1980UK said:

The reason Rocketgirl and Cart Life get passes with Paddy is that their indie, and in his eyes indie can do no wrong. If a game has 50 or more people working on it, then he nit-picks at anything he can.

I stopped listening to any opinion he has and I feel better for it.

I do like Worth Reading and most of his Quick Looks.

Cart Life is sexist?

#107 Posted by hintonblogs (5 posts) -

@MikeW1980UK: Yeah because Patrick has never liked a studio release (Lets ignore the ZombiU article up on the site right now). Bending over backwards to insinuate that someone's opinion is genuinely swayed by the amount of people that worked on a game is honestly one of the stupidest things I've ever heard.

#108 Edited by MikeW1980UK (69 posts) -

@ThePaleKing: Cart Life has a score screen with full frontal female nudity for no reason. I don't know if the male story has a similar thing, but it's completely pointless.

@hintonblogs: Look at the title of the ZombiU article, The Game That Should Have Been Terrible. If it wasn't an Ubisoft game, would he have called the story that if it was "indie"? Also, in most videos he does like to point out little problems in games.

#109 Posted by hintonblogs (5 posts) -

@MikeW1980UK: Really, you don't think it's to do more with the fact that it's a launch title for a new console, has a terrible name and was originally announced as Killer Freaks From Outer Space? Of course it was a game that was supposed to be terrible.

He likes to point out little problems in games? The mental gymnastics you're going through to justify this idea is astounding.

#110 Posted by MikeW1980UK (69 posts) -

@hintonblogs: Just because something has a bad name and is a launch game doesn't mean its destined to be bad. Super Mario World, SSX, Halo. All launch, all good. Someone said on another topic in that they wished the crew would stop judging a game based on name only.

Don't get me wrong, I don't hate the man. I certainly don't want him to leave GB, unlike some on this site. I just don't agree on his indie is faultless view I get from him.

#111 Posted by Humanity (9062 posts) -

@Neon25 said:

@mdnthrvst said:

If you are alleging that men are seriously discriminated against based on their sex in ANY society ever, I'd love to hear your evidence, if only for a good laugh.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=18c_1242448918 - A veteran Edmonton taxi driver is speaking publicly about a civil lawsuit he filed last year against four young women who falsely accused him of sexual assault after travelling in his car three years ago. Fortunely he had RECORDED THE VIDEO INSIDE HIS CAB, otherwise he would have been rotting in prison just because women claimed they were raped, without any proof whatsoever.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=182_1346689914- Without the video, he's in jail for 20 years, allegations of rape plus witnesses. Such is the power of the testimony of a woman in a rape case - no matter how neurotic she is. Thank God, or rather, thank technology, for video cameras.

http://www.redding.com/news/2012/jun/29/burney-woman-pleads-no-contest-in-teen-sex-case/ - A 24-year-old Burney woman pleaded no contest Thursday in Shasta County Superior Court to having sex with a 15-year-old boy. In exchange for her plea, Shell Amelia Harper agreed to a sentence of 180 days in jail and three years' probation. She won't be required to register as a sex offender, but will face four years in prison if she violates the terms of her probation, her defense attorney said Friday.

Now imagine what would happen if it was a 24-year-old guy with a 15 years old girl?

A group of 3 girls strip an 11-year-old boy on the street, laugh at him, post the video on the internet. The mother doesn't want to press charges, because it was "a prank".

The boy is crying and screaming during the whole thing, and during one moment his throat is held by a girl's knee to stop him from screaming.

Imagine an opposite situation.

Imagine an 11 year old girl striped naked in public by three boys, video posted online by one of the boys.

In what fantasy world would this be considered a prank? Who can even picture them not being charged with sexual assault, attempted rape, probably put down as pedophiles dealing in child pornography, etc.

When a boy is humiliated, sexually assaulted and traumatized it's bullying, when a girl has her feelings hurt it's a sign of the patriarchal system that all women have to live with each day.

Fuck. That.

Anyone who sees something like this and isn't furious should be shown for the horrid person they are. The girls should be tried with sexual assault (at least) the mother should be tried with neglect for not pressing charges after seeing this and the 1) boy 2) girls 3) mother should get some kind of help with their respective problems.

How is this not sexual assault? Their shouldn't be an option when it comes to pressing charges or not. A crime was committed and they need to see the consequences for their actions. I am so utterly disgusted and disappointed by the mother.

Imagine if "man" was replaced by "woman" on the cover.

Is that enough?

Just quoting this so everyone can read it as a good show of the other side of the argument.

#112 Posted by Ramone (2962 posts) -

@patrickklepek said:

@Pr1mus said:

@buft said:

@Pr1mus said:

Rocketgirl...

He has to do it on purpose.

i thought that too

Yeah and the more i think about it the more i hate it. If it's on purpose that's just gross. If it's not that just show how much of an hypocrite about this stuff he is.

I'm gonna be called a hater i guess but oh well.

C'mon. There's a big difference here. Rocketgirl is just straight ridiculous and stupid.

I've been with you for a lot of stuff Pat, but Rocketgirl is arguably worse than Dead Island in a lot of ways.

#113 Posted by LikeaSsur (1513 posts) -

@Neon25 said:

@mdnthrvst said:

If you are alleging that men are seriously discriminated against based on their sex in ANY society ever, I'd love to hear your evidence, if only for a good laugh.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=18c_1242448918 - A veteran Edmonton taxi driver is speaking publicly about a civil lawsuit he filed last year against four young women who falsely accused him of sexual assault after travelling in his car three years ago. Fortunely he had RECORDED THE VIDEO INSIDE HIS CAB, otherwise he would have been rotting in prison just because women claimed they were raped, without any proof whatsoever.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=182_1346689914- Without the video, he's in jail for 20 years, allegations of rape plus witnesses. Such is the power of the testimony of a woman in a rape case - no matter how neurotic she is. Thank God, or rather, thank technology, for video cameras.

http://www.redding.com/news/2012/jun/29/burney-woman-pleads-no-contest-in-teen-sex-case/ - A 24-year-old Burney woman pleaded no contest Thursday in Shasta County Superior Court to having sex with a 15-year-old boy. In exchange for her plea, Shell Amelia Harper agreed to a sentence of 180 days in jail and three years' probation. She won't be required to register as a sex offender, but will face four years in prison if she violates the terms of her probation, her defense attorney said Friday.

Now imagine what would happen if it was a 24-year-old guy with a 15 years old girl?

A group of 3 girls strip an 11-year-old boy on the street, laugh at him, post the video on the internet. The mother doesn't want to press charges, because it was "a prank".

The boy is crying and screaming during the whole thing, and during one moment his throat is held by a girl's knee to stop him from screaming.

Imagine an opposite situation.

Imagine an 11 year old girl striped naked in public by three boys, video posted online by one of the boys.

In what fantasy world would this be considered a prank? Who can even picture them not being charged with sexual assault, attempted rape, probably put down as pedophiles dealing in child pornography, etc.

When a boy is humiliated, sexually assaulted and traumatized it's bullying, when a girl has her feelings hurt it's a sign of the patriarchal system that all women have to live with each day.

Fuck. That.

Anyone who sees something like this and isn't furious should be shown for the horrid person they are. The girls should be tried with sexual assault (at least) the mother should be tried with neglect for not pressing charges after seeing this and the 1) boy 2) girls 3) mother should get some kind of help with their respective problems.

How is this not sexual assault? Their shouldn't be an option when it comes to pressing charges or not. A crime was committed and they need to see the consequences for their actions. I am so utterly disgusted and disappointed by the mother.

Imagine if "man" was replaced by "woman" on the cover.

Is that enough?

#114 Posted by granderojo (1778 posts) -

Real talk Adult Swim is the best publisher in 2012. Both in quality and quantity they've done a splendid job. Also glad to see Perish still doing dirt. Perish for as otaku as that dude is, he's sort of Jeff's doppleganger, there's an encyclopedic knowledge of old game he has is only matched by Jeff's.

#115 Posted by Conciliator (69 posts) -

I couldn't finish watching the BoneTown trailer. Ugggghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

#116 Posted by Sergio (2080 posts) -

@patrickklepek said:

@Pr1mus said:

@buft said:

@Pr1mus said:

Rocketgirl...

He has to do it on purpose.

i thought that too

Yeah and the more i think about it the more i hate it. If it's on purpose that's just gross. If it's not that just show how much of an hypocrite about this stuff he is.

I'm gonna be called a hater i guess but oh well.

C'mon. There's a big difference here. Rocketgirl is just straight ridiculous and stupid.

Seriously? Are you basically trolling within your own articles now?

#117 Posted by bvilleneuve (265 posts) -

Rocketgirl falls directly into my "I hate it when it feels like video games are trying to make me masturbate to them" category. It looks like a cool, varied action game, but I don't need or want to see a bunch of tits and ass in order to pay attention to a game, and at some point it starts to actively detract.

#118 Posted by prestonhedges (1965 posts) -

@patrickklepek said:

@Pr1mus said:

@buft said:

@Pr1mus said:

Rocketgirl...

He has to do it on purpose.

i thought that too

Yeah and the more i think about it the more i hate it. If it's on purpose that's just gross. If it's not that just show how much of an hypocrite about this stuff he is.

I'm gonna be called a hater i guess but oh well.

C'mon. There's a big difference here. Rocketgirl is just straight ridiculous and stupid.

This is too funny.

#119 Posted by hintonblogs (5 posts) -

If people genuinely can't tell the difference between the over-the-top aspects of Rocketgirl and the lowest common denominator pandering of the Dead Island bust then I don't know what to say. Here's a tip: They're not the same.

And as informative as Neon's post is, I'm not really seeing much there other than people being shitty to one another and nothing coming of it. Other than the book, which is idiotic but which I also gather is meant to be somewhat tongue in cheek (or at least I hope so).

#120 Posted by prestonhedges (1965 posts) -

@hintonblogs said:

If people genuinely can't tell the difference between the over-the-top aspects of Rocketgirl and the lowest common denominator pandering of the Dead Island bust then I don't know what to say. Here's a tip: They're not the same.

Just because the statue was over-the-top, insanely, stupidly sexist, it doesn't mean this game isn't also sexist.

#121 Posted by Sergio (2080 posts) -

@hintonblogs said:

I'd have thought the difference between Rocketgirl and the Dead Island bust is fairly obvious:

Rocketgirl is so over the top that it couldn't in any way, shape or form be taken seriously. It's shrouded in complete ridiculousness. If it was a more subdued game that didn't have that crazy gameplay then you could certainly make a point for it being 'sexist', but at no point does the game seemingly want you to take it seriously.

On the other hand I keep seeing people trying to defend the Dead Island bust as some kind of tongue-in-cheek thing but that doesn't work. Nothing about the way it's presented suggests that, because indeed nothing about the game is tongue-in-cheek. If say Dead Island was the Saints Row of zombie killing then you could absolutely make that case. But it isn't. It's an all too serious (Remember the tone of those trailers) game that's used an ill-advised lowest common denominator appeal to get people to pre-order their product.

Tone is the key here, not so much the content. You can't just point to things and say sexist or not without trying to establish the context in which they're used.

I agree that one should try to analyze each one with their context in mind, but I completely disagree with your analysis.

I showed a colleague the image from Patrick's original blog post. Her initial response was, "Eww... gross. That's gory." That was my initial response as well, and the reason why I find the bust tasteless. She looked at it for a while without saying anything, until I prompted her if it was sexist. She thought for a while then responded, "Yes, it's a bit sexist." "Why?" I asked. It was because the woman was bearing a bikini and, ignoring the gore, was an idealized body. It would have boiled down to if there are boobs involved, it's sexist, but she said she would have also not liked it if it was an idealized man's body. I then told her the context behind the statue. How it attempts to parody Roman busts. How it tries to leverage tropes established by horror movies. I didn't insinuate that it was successful at either of these because I wanted her unbiased opinion once she knew what the context was meant to be. She came away thinking it wasn't sexist as long as you knew the context.

There is no context with Rocketgirl. It isn't trying to parody anything. It's just slapping T&A to a known game type. That in itself isn't a parody of that game style. I haven't played the game, so I don't know if there's some deep backstory or some profound analogy going on that would explain the visuals they decided to go with. Arguing that it's so over the top that it cannot be sexist is a lazy argument that could have been made regarding the statuette or games such as Gal Gun.

This comes off as hypocritical.

#122 Posted by SatelliteOfLove (1369 posts) -

Telebunny's articles are just quality period. Parish is one of the few journalists in the biz that still understands game design as it once was judged by.

#123 Posted by SeroTyler (14 posts) -

@patrickklepek said:

@Pr1mus said:

@buft said:

@Pr1mus said:

Rocketgirl...

He has to do it on purpose.

i thought that too

Yeah and the more i think about it the more i hate it. If it's on purpose that's just gross. If it's not that just show how much of an hypocrite about this stuff he is.

I'm gonna be called a hater i guess but oh well.

C'mon. There's a big difference here. Rocketgirl is just straight ridiculous and stupid.

I hope someone sends you that Fez Lego set, so you can step on it.

#124 Posted by mrfluke (5131 posts) -

@gladspooky said:

@hintonblogs said:

If people genuinely can't tell the difference between the over-the-top aspects of Rocketgirl and the lowest common denominator pandering of the Dead Island bust then I don't know what to say. Here's a tip: They're not the same.

Just because the statue was over-the-top, insanely, stupidly sexist, it doesn't mean this game isn't also sexist.

exactly, alll im going to say is just look at that picture and tell me thats in no way pandering in the vein of that dumb statue especially with that being the buy screen and the start screen.

fuck it im not going to keep on going back and forth about this. i dont buy the argument that this is no way "sexist". and that this whole "what is sexist and what is not considered sexist" that has been going on this week is amazingly subjective.and amazingly overblown

#125 Posted by Carousel (418 posts) -

@DedBeet said:

@Carousel said:

Patrick "It's Only Offensive if I Say it is" Klepek.

Thank you for being my moral guardian.

I think someone is lacking some perspective. We're all pretty unique, wouldn't you agree? So, with billions of unique people, there are likely to be millions to billions of unique opinions, that makes sense, right? Now, suppose you work at a website and your job is to provide some editorial content. Yes, I know that Patrick was introduced to us as a News guy but, since he has contributed quite a bit of editorial content, I think it's safe to assume it's part of his job description. Now, say that is your job, I'd imagine sometimes you'd feel moved to write about things you find offensive since you may believe that awareness of an issue needs to raised. Now, it's important to remember that you're posting something you find offensive. You. Not everyone because there's no way to do that due to the millions/billions unique opinions we discussed earlier. And, assuming you have an audience the size of the GB community, I think it's safe to assume some won't find the issue offensive or, worse, feel that you're trying to manipulate them into finding a subject offensive. Now, in writing your article, were you trying to be their "moral guardian" or were you just doing your job and providing content for a site that people are free to read or ignore?

If creating editorial content on a website was my job I'd at least make some sort of effort to not be an absolute hypocrite.

#126 Posted by Ghost_Cat (1430 posts) -

Soooo this is a pretty sensitive community, eh?

#127 Posted by Milkman (16679 posts) -

Ignoring the ridiculous men's rights garbage that has already invaded these comments, I think there probably is a discussion to be made about whether Rocket Girl can be considered sexist. Personally, I think that you have to take into account the complete tonal difference between this game and the Dead Island statue. Rocket Girl is absurd, ridiculous, and over-the-top. There's humor to be had and in the end, it probably is more of a parody of this kind of thing (though I can't really say with absolute certainty because I obviously haven't played it.) There's no humor in the Dead Island statue. No one looks at that and laughs and goes "oh, that's so silly!" (Well, maybe you do but not in the same way you laugh at Rocket Girl.)  
 
Beyond that, this site is going to get really fucking lame (lamer than it already has been the last few days) if every comment section of every article that Patrick writes is going to be a bunch of people trying to nail him or whatever and call him out on something sexist. Also, don't try to feign some kind of outrage just to try to stick it to Patrick. If your response to the Dead Island torso is "Shut up, I don't care", you can't then turn around and tell me how sexist and offensive Rocket Girl is. 

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#128 Edited by Carousel (418 posts) -

@Milkman:

Patrick is showing obvious hypocrisy and you STILL defend him.

I'd think you of all people would be up in arms about this.

And dismissing post as "men's rights garbage"?!

You must have no empathy in you if you're not at all outraged about what happened to those people, especially the little boy.

#129 Posted by alibson (165 posts) -

@Carousel said:

@Milkman:

Patrick is showing obvious hypocrisy and you STILL defend him.

I'd think you of all people would be up in arms about this.

And dismissing Neon25's post as "men's rights garbage"?!

You must have no empathy in you if you're not at all outraged about what happened to those people, especially the little boy.

Patrick's fan club is like a religion now.

#130 Posted by Fungiefips (76 posts) -

@alibson said:

@Carousel said:

@Milkman:

Patrick is showing obvious hypocrisy and you STILL defend him.

I'd think you of all people would be up in arms about this.

And dismissing Neon25's post as "men's rights garbage"?!

You must have no empathy in you if you're not at all outraged about what happened to those people, especially the little boy.

Patrick's fan club is like a religion now.

It's the easy way to feel morally superior right now on GB. Anyone that dislike Klepek's content is a troll, terrible human being, and most likely misogynistic. If you criticize any facet of his work, you're just as bad as the fuckwit who said he was glad his father died. That's the real reason the comments have turned into a warzone on everything he posts.

#131 Posted by Milkman (16679 posts) -
@Carousel: Couple things. 
  
I'm not defending anyone. All I did was give my personal opinion. Like I said in the very first sentence, there is a discussion to be had about whether this is sexist or not. I didn't say that Rocket Girl wasn't sexist or that anyone who thinks it is sexist is wrong. What you fail to understand is that it's possible to take a middle ground with these discussions. Somewhere between "This is sexist filth and I'm apalled!" and "This isn't sexist and anyone who think it's sexist is a idiot." What is perceived as sexist to one person may not be perceived as sexist by another, as we CLEARLY saw after the torso debacle. The important part is seeing both sides of the coin. The side of the coin I'm not interested in is the people who going to pretend to be outraged just so they can try to call Patrick out because that's lame and it hurts the quality of the articles that Patrick can write because he'll be constantly worried about how his words can be twisted to call out him on being a hypocritical.   
 

You must have no empathy in you if you're not at all outraged about what happened to those people, especially the little boy.

Second, really? You have a future in news media with this excellent words twisting going on here. I didn't say that any of things that he posted were okay or excusable. But it has nothing to do with the topic at hand and only exists to completely derail the conversation. So, I won't even get into it.
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#132 Posted by mrfluke (5131 posts) -

@Fungiefips said:

@alibson said:

@Carousel said:

@Milkman:

Patrick is showing obvious hypocrisy and you STILL defend him.

I'd think you of all people would be up in arms about this.

And dismissing Neon25's post as "men's rights garbage"?!

You must have no empathy in you if you're not at all outraged about what happened to those people, especially the little boy.

Patrick's fan club is like a religion now.

It's the easy way to feel morally superior right now on GB. Anyone that dislike Klepek's content is a troll, terrible human being, and most likely misogynistic. If you criticize any facet of his work, you're just as bad as the fuckwit who said he was glad his father died. That's the real reason the comments have turned into a warzone on everything he posts.

double standards yo

#133 Posted by Carousel (418 posts) -

@Milkman said:

But it has nothing to do with the topic at hand and only exists to completely derail the conversation. So, I won't even get into it.

It was a reply to a post that insinuated that men can't be discriminated against.

Regardless of its relevance to the article, you can't just shrug the argument off as "MRA bullshit"

Also don't you usually say that men can't dictate what is and is not sexist?

I recall Patrick saying the same thing.

But that's exactly what he's doing...

#134 Edited by Milkman (16679 posts) -
@Carousel: And you completely ignore the rest of the post to specifically talk about the part that I said would derail the conversation. Ugh, okay... 

It was a reply to a post that insinuated that men can't be discriminated against.

Well, I don't agree with that either and that too has nothing to do with the topic.

Regardless of its relevance to the article, you can't just shrug the argument off as "MRA bullshit"

Well, I called it garbage, not bullshit. But either way, sure maybe that was the wrong word. Probably should have just ignored it all together, sorry. 

Also don't you usually say that men can't dictate what is and is not sexist?

Nope. Never said that. I did say that I enjoyed the last article about the Dead Island statue because it gave a female perspective and only getting a male perspective on something that directly effects women is useless. But like I said and have said many times, sexism is perceived differently by everyone, men or women.  
 
As for Patrick saying that, I don't know. I don't remember him ever saying that but if he did, okay. I don't really care. I'm only speaking for myself.  
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#135 Posted by cooljammer00 (1647 posts) -

Westerado bugged out on me, but I can see how it could be fun.

#136 Posted by Dan_CiTi (3261 posts) -

Whoa Owlboy is still a game?

#137 Posted by mrfluke (5131 posts) -

@Milkman said:

@Carousel: Couple things.

I'm not defending anyone. All I did was give my personal opinion. Like I said in the very first sentence, there is a discussion to be had about whether this is sexist or not. I didn't say that Rocket Girl wasn't sexist or that anyone who thinks it is sexist is wrong. What you fail to understand is that it's possible to take a middle ground with these discussions. Somewhere between "This is sexist filth and I'm apalled!" and "This isn't sexist and anyone who think it's sexist is a idiot." What is perceived as sexist to one person may not be perceived as sexist by another, as we CLEARLY saw after the torso debacle. The important part is seeing both sides of the coin. The side of the coin I'm not interested in is the people who going to pretend to be outraged just so they can try to call Patrick out because that's lame and it hurts the quality of the articles that Patrick can write because he'll be constantly worried about how his words can be twisted to call out him on being a hypocritical.

no ones pretending here u know (correction, i dont speak for everyone and i dont know everyones intentions so to the very least im not pretending),

i understand what you mean by seeing both sides. but i dont think you can say that if your saying your not interested in seeing the side where people are calling him out (generalizing the other side as "just pretending to be outraged, not really what i call seeing both sides, again, i dont know everyones intentions, but im going out on a limb here and say that really, not everyones just using this just to dig patrick, we're just calling him out on how we think he has double standards.) .

your right that there is a middle ground that could be had. but MY impression of what causes the rage is that patricks style of writing has him come off as an "self-righteous authority source" like "my opinion is THE OPINION OF ALL" and DOES NOT even look at the other side of the debate or even brings up any neutral points, which stirs up internet rage, (i was deep in that 2000 comments war that was going on, a good bit of the criticism was the fact that patricks argument was not balanced which i agree)

but then you could make the argument of well that whole statue thing was technically an opinion piece and at the end of the day its only his opinion whether you agree with it or not. which the fact that giantbomb is a personality driven site, it will be expected to have the legions telling him that they dont agree.

definitely a controversial line. one thing i hope happens is i hope on the new site that there's distinctions made between "opinion/discussion piece" and "news piece",

if opinions keep mixing with news, then these comments are going to get straight up toxic, cause the way i see it, the hate for patrick seems to be ever increasing,

people pick on kotaku so much, but totilo (patick's mentor, i believe) did a Q and A with his audience yesterday i believe and essentially acknowledge that their approach to stuff could be better while at the same time saying he has no intention of stopping what he does. i respect that way of trying to balance things

#138 Posted by Flixxx (9 posts) -

@patrickklepek: I had to read that part about Rocketgirl several times, because I couldn't believe that you actually wrote this, Patrick. I was so on your side with all the articles before, but this really confuses me. Come on, dude! That must be some kind of typo or something. :(

#139 Posted by Humanity (9062 posts) -

@hintonblogs said:

If people genuinely can't tell the difference between the over-the-top aspects of Rocketgirl and the lowest common denominator pandering of the Dead Island bust then I don't know what to say. Here's a tip: They're not the same.

And as informative as Neon's post is, I'm not really seeing much there other than people being shitty to one another and nothing coming of it. Other than the book, which is idiotic but which I also gather is meant to be somewhat tongue in cheek (or at least I hope so).

If the prospect of getting 20+ years in jail as a result of someone using their gender in an incriminating fashion against you is "nothing coming of it" then maybe you should reevaluate what a lifetime in prison constitutes on your scale of worthwhile trouble. RocketGirl is a trash Jetpack Joyride clone whose only distinguishing factor is that you're a big breasted female, straddling a rocket and wearing nothing but a string bikini. The amount of sexual implications in this entire situation is mind boggling and none of it is all too flattering for females. Quite frankly I'd be way more embarrassed if someone caught me playing RocketGirl on a computer than if they came over to my house and I had the Dead Island bust on my entertainment center shelf. But I can see how RocketGirl is completely different and TOTALLY O-K rather than a bust of a female torso in a bikini - because that bust had been mutilated and it was done with the express intention of belittling women and enticing male-dominant fantasies of rape and abuse towards them, rather than you know, just fitting in with that whole game-about-murdering-zombies motif.

#140 Posted by mdnthrvst (266 posts) -

@Humanity: I'll tell you what I told the guy who posted that nonsense, none of which is indicative of sexism, by the way.

You're fishing for examples of crazy people being assholes to compare against a systemic, deeply entrenched societal problem. Men do not have a systemic, deeply entrenched disadvantage in their careers, sexual expression, or any number of manifestations of sexism.

Women can be assholes to men, men can be assholes to women, that has nothing to do with sexism - three little girls making fun of a little boy is tragic and stupid, but also isolated, not indicative of anything larger than itself. And you're a particularly dense sort of person if you take a tongue-in-cheek, jocular book title to be a serious example of women oppressing or subjugating or discriminating or whatever the fuck you want to think it is with your fantasy-land persecution complex.

And yes, women can point to innocent men and cry "rapist", because 54 percent of all rapes/sexual assaults committed against women go unreported.

It's ABSOLUTELY shitty when it happens, but if you try to tell me that having your emotional well-being destroyed, and fearing the risk of this whenever you travel alone outdoors, isn't worse by orders of magnitude, then we have nothing further to discuss. People can be horrible without raising the spectre of sexism to try to claim some sort of false equivalency in an argument.

For the record, in case you care, I'm a dude.

#141 Edited by Carousel (418 posts) -

@mdnthrvst said:

For the record, in case you care, I'm a dude.

Then why are you speaking on the behalf of women?

Also, try to imagine that book if it were implying women can be trained like dogs.

I guarantee you'd start whining about "patriarchal oppression" even if the author came out and said it was tongue-in-cheek.

#142 Posted by amir90 (2154 posts) -

Despite your hypocrisy regarding sexism Patrick, I still enjoy your "Worth reading articles".

#143 Posted by Humanity (9062 posts) -

@mdnthrvst: Of course sexism is targeted by a large margin at women and not the other way around. There is no case in trying to disprove this. Just like racism is not something that white people really have to deal with on an average basis. That doesn't mean that sexist acts aren't committed both ways. I agree that someone getting unfairly accused of rape is really shitty, and it is sexist because very often the case automatically becomes one of guilty until proven innocent rather than the other way around. The act of those three girls bullying the boy is not sexist in of itself - it's the inaction against it because it's understood that the boy can handle that situation while a female couldn't that is sexist.

You literally HAVE to fish for examples. I'm not saying there are deeply entrenched sexist problems aimed at men, and I'm not perpetrating that it's an even split. I was simply responding to the comment that "this is just women being assholes no sexism here" which is not true. When you bend the system to your advantage because of your gender then that is a clear example of sexism. It doesn't happen super often, and I'm not going to fear for my life on the street, but it's there and it's ridiculous to say that men are somehow immune to the issue.

#144 Edited by MMann (64 posts) -

@patrickklepek: It is ridiculous and stupid. So is that torso.

It's okay to be against sexism and still enjoy problematic media. There is no innate hypocrisy in saying that characters in skimpy costumes, or that cheesecake camera angles, shouldn't be the standard while also enjoying your time playing Lollipop Chainsaw or Mass Effect.

As long as you are willing to acknowledge, address, and be aware of the faults in a piece of media you can enjoy it no matter how much it conflicts with your beliefs. That isn't hypocrisy or even compromise, it's just being a fan of something without troubling aspects.

Rocketgirl can be sexist but also fun, you can enjoy it even if you wish they didn't shove so much sideboob in your face if you think the game-play is worth it. As long as you're willing to say 'These things about it are flawed and I don't agree with them, but I enjoyed it despite that' it isn't hypocrisy.

Hypocrisy IS though saying that some over the top things are good, but others are bad, based on how much you enjoy them. You can't draw a line in the sand on just being "over the top" unless you can also back that up with another reason for why it is enjoyable.

It's no less gross than that weird Japanese FPS with the upskirts that Jeff played on the Creeper Cam that one happy hour, because that was pretty insane and over the top ridiculous too. Rapelay was super crazy and insane, who could have possibly taken a game like that serious? That doesn't make them any less gross.

Rocketgirl is just Techno Kitten Adventure's gameplay, but stuffed with shitty, "sexy", barely animated, DAZ models instead of a flying kitten. It is little more than cheesecake and sex being used to try and sell tired ass Flash gameplay and mechanics and I'm kinda let down that you can't seem to accept why some people might find it weird that you can't see how it's not different from the Riptide shit.

#145 Edited by MrCaptain (364 posts) -

If your offended by rocketgirl you are weak, so goddamn weak.

Also, more on topic, The Destiny artwork looks so amazing, I hope this game turn out great.

#146 Posted by brownsfantb (392 posts) -

@hintonblogs said:

I'd have thought the difference between Rocketgirl and the Dead Island bust is fairly obvious:

Rocketgirl is so over the top that it couldn't in any way, shape or form be taken seriously. It's shrouded in complete ridiculousness. If it was a more subdued game that didn't have that crazy gameplay then you could certainly make a point for it being 'sexist', but at no point does the game seemingly want you to take it seriously.

On the other hand I keep seeing people trying to defend the Dead Island bust as some kind of tongue-in-cheek thing but that doesn't work. Nothing about the way it's presented suggests that, because indeed nothing about the game is tongue-in-cheek. If say Dead Island was the Saints Row of zombie killing then you could absolutely make that case. But it isn't. It's an all too serious (Remember the tone of those trailers) game that's used an ill-advised lowest common denominator appeal to get people to pre-order their product.

Tone is the key here, not so much the content. You can't just point to things and say sexist or not without trying to establish the context in which they're used.

I don't necessarily agree with that. Both Rocketgirl and that bust were created with the mindset of selling more copies with a little T&A. Also, that bust is just as ridiculous as what goes on in RocketGirl. And Dead Island does not have a more "serious" tone. Sure that original cinematic trailer was pretty serious, but the game was literally nothing like that.

#147 Posted by Humanity (9062 posts) -

Just posting some large screens as examples of how WACKY RocketGirl is:

Would you honestly not feel embarrassed if a female co-worker at your job walked by and saw you playing this on your break?

#148 Posted by MMann (64 posts) -

@Carousel said:

Then why are you speaking on the behalf of women?

It's called empathy, you shitface

(I promise not to compliment you in this thread, Carousel <3, I know you don't like it)

No, but seriously, sometimes the sexy girl stuff just gets really, really tired and boring and sorta gross even if you aren't a girl. I personally want to see more buff men's torsos (nonmutilated mind you), or buff dudes in loincloths, to balance it out because that is more the sort of thing I want as eyecandy.

Not everyone is just white knighting, some people are either genuinely offended by the constant barrage of this stuff or as bored of it as some people are of Nintendo releasing what equate to full priced map packs for the ever staling NEW Super Mario Bros games.

Also: sexism is bad, and some people (especially those who are parts of different groups who get shit on all the time) don't like seeing that same sort of stuff happening to other groups.

#149 Posted by brownsfantb (392 posts) -

So for the people who think Rocketgirl is fine because it's too "over-the-top" to actually be sexist, would that Dead Island bust been fine if it was a torso with like 12 pairs of boobs on it? Because then it would be too "crazy" or "ridiculous" to be sexist?

#150 Posted by MMann (64 posts) -

@brownsfantb said:

So for the people who think Rocketgirl is fine because it's too "over-the-top" to actually be sexist, would that Dead Island bust been fine if it was a torso with like 12 pairs of boobs on it? Because then it would be too "crazy" or "ridiculous" to be sexist?

That torso wouldn't have been fine with 24 boobs.

It would have been fiiiiiine~