#151 Posted by WMWA (1159 posts) -

Oh man, that volition pouring out the 40 vid bummed me out. =(

#152 Posted by WMWA (1159 posts) -
@Milkman
@jimmyfenix said:
I really like these articles alot! , in my opinion the artcles such as 1reasonwhy and the dead island statue dont really fit with the core giantbomb audience , i know you feel strongly about these things patrick but in my opinion it just doesnt fit
There's a difference between not fitting with you and not fitting with this "core audience" that you invented.  
 
Keep writing them, Patrick.
Word
#153 Posted by GioVANNI (1280 posts) -
@Neon25: This is a great post.
#154 Edited by mdnthrvst (261 posts) -

@Carousel said:

@mdnthrvst said:

For the record, in case you care, I'm a dude.

Then why are you speaking on the behalf of women?

Also, try to imagine that book if it were implying women can be trained like dogs.

I guarantee you'd start whining about "patriarchal oppression" even if the author came out and said it was tongue-in-cheek.

Because I'm a dude, I understand what it's like to be a dude, and I'm baffled at how other dudes can pretend that they have a claim upon being victimized by sexism. Unless you're interested in taking care of a child on your own, there is never a situation where men are discriminated against by their sex. Sure, you can be an under-educated, poorly motivated loser that no one respects, but that's not because of your dick. I'm not representing women, I'm representing men as they exist in the real world and outside of your victim-complex fantasyland where winning an argument is paramount above considering the issues rationally. I always get my voice heard fairly, no one has second thoughts about respecting me, and it's like this way because six thousand years of culture has made it this way.

Also, about books with joke titles, I can't stand ANYONE dense enough to make a big deal out of silly nonsense. A New Yorker cover in 2008 featured Obama as a caricature of a terrorist to mock the stereotypes in conservative media, and everyone liberal AND conservative took it as "racist" by the New Yorker because people need to fucking lighten up and learn how to take a joke

Oh, and there ARE books out there about how to train women like dogs, they're called BDSM manuals, and no one has a problem with them because they relate to consensual sexual behavior. The pop-culture trope of women hoodwinking or gaining the upper hand on a dumb guy isn't a manifestation of sexism, it's a reaction against sexism of the Don Draper school.

#155 Posted by mdnthrvst (261 posts) -

@Humanity said:

@mdnthrvst: Of course sexism is targeted by a large margin at women and not the other way around. There is no case in trying to disprove this. Just like racism is not something that white people really have to deal with on an average basis. That doesn't mean that sexist acts aren't committed both ways. I agree that someone getting unfairly accused of rape is really shitty, and it is sexist because very often the case automatically becomes one of guilty until proven innocent rather than the other way around. The act of those three girls bullying the boy is not sexist in of itself - it's the inaction against it because it's understood that the boy can handle that situation while a female couldn't that is sexist.

You literally HAVE to fish for examples. I'm not saying there are deeply entrenched sexist problems aimed at men, and I'm not perpetrating that it's an even split. I was simply responding to the comment that "this is just women being assholes no sexism here" which is not true. When you bend the system to your advantage because of your gender then that is a clear example of sexism. It doesn't happen super often, and I'm not going to fear for my life on the street, but it's there and it's ridiculous to say that men are somehow immune to the issue.

Then why is the first thing that anyone does in a conversation about sexism against women raise these trivial and uncommon examples of sexism against men?

Why is changing to conversation to your own less-prominent and unlikely problems necessary? Wasn't this a discussion about women and objectification in the games industry?

How many male booth babes - booth dudes? - stand around convention floors in tightly-packed briefs? How many Catherine anime pillowcases or Dead Island zombie-titties feature dudes?

#156 Posted by MMann (64 posts) -

@mdnthrvst said:

How many male booth babes - booth dudes? - stand around convention floors in tightly-packed briefs? How many Catherine anime pillowcases or Dead Island zombie-titties feature dudes?

Not enough.

#157 Posted by bko (132 posts) -

@jimmyfenix said:

I really like these articles alot! , in my opinion the artcles such as 1reasonwhy and the dead island statue dont really fit with the core giantbomb audience , i know you feel strongly about these things patrick but in my opinion it just doesnt fit

No one cares. Start your own website if you want to be protected from stories that require a little maturity.

#158 Posted by MMann (64 posts) -

@bko said:

@jimmyfenix said:

I really like these articles alot! , in my opinion the artcles such as 1reasonwhy and the dead island statue dont really fit with the core giantbomb audience , i know you feel strongly about these things patrick but in my opinion it just doesnt fit

No one cares. Start your own website if you want to be protected from stories that require a little maturity.

That's kind of a silly thing to say, and it's pretty hostile.

Those sorts of articles are pretty new, in the grand scheme of GiantBombs history at least, and not everyone is going to like them - especially since P.Klep can be a bit sloppy or hamhanded with them at times.

I like those articles, I'm glad they're here, and I really get tired of the people who troll through the comments to complain about them without adding anything of worth - but just screaming GET OUT at everyone who (in this case rationally and seemingly politely, even) disagrees will just make people think less of you, and maybe even of the causes/articles you support.

#159 Edited by Carousel (418 posts) -

@mdnthrvst: So if a woman is an "under-educated, poorly motivated loser that no one respects" it's not because of her life decisions or choices, it's because she's oppressed?

@mdnthrvst said:

no one has second thoughts about respecting me

I guess I'd be the first.

#160 Edited by mdnthrvst (261 posts) -

@Carousel said:

@mdnthrvst: So if a woman is an "under-educated, poorly motivated loser that no one respects" it's not because of her life decisions or choices, it's because she's oppressed?

Also, what about BDSM where a woman is dominating a man? Is that part of a 6,000 year old patriarchy too?

@mdnthrvst said:

no one has second thoughts about respecting me

I guess I'd be the first.

These logical leaps you're making are pretty funny. When did I ever say women can't be irrelevant failures for reasons other than their sex? Oh, right, I didn't, you're just pulling arguments out of thin air.

Yes, plenty of women (as with men) have made bad life choices and ended up in bad situations, not because they have tits but because they're just losers. But many more - more commonly outside the Western world - don't even get that chance to make a life for themselves and fuck it up themselves.

And I guess I probably should've appended "because of my sex" to that respect line, you got me there.

What the hell are you even talking about with regards to BDSM? How is it germane to anything at all whether someone likes femdom or maledom? Seriously, responding to everything I mention just to be contrarian doesn't work when you don't actually have an argument.

#161 Posted by bko (132 posts) -

@MMann said:

@bko said:

@jimmyfenix said:

I really like these articles alot! , in my opinion the artcles such as 1reasonwhy and the dead island statue dont really fit with the core giantbomb audience , i know you feel strongly about these things patrick but in my opinion it just doesnt fit

No one cares. Start your own website if you want to be protected from stories that require a little maturity.

That's kind of a silly thing to say, and it's pretty hostile.

Those sorts of articles are pretty new, in the grand scheme of GiantBombs history at least, and not everyone is going to like them - especially since P.Klep can be a bit sloppy or hamhanded with them at times.

I like those articles, I'm glad they're here, and I really get tired of the people who troll through the comments to complain about them without adding anything of worth - but just screaming GET OUT at everyone who (in this case rationally and seemingly politely, even) disagrees will just make people think less of you, and maybe even of the causes/articles you support.

Considering how irrational most of this community is with regard to disliking perfectly well-spoken people like Patrick, I don't really care if anyone here thinks less of me. So you're not going to mail me a big box of your old trash? I'll live.

#162 Posted by bunnymud (703 posts) -

Is Patrick the only person who writes articles on this site anymore?

#163 Posted by Nettacki (1313 posts) -

I'll say that the interview with Jason Rubin was indeed a worthy read. Especially coming from a rather passionate guy.

#164 Posted by Neon25 (21 posts) -

@bko said:

@jimmyfenix said:

I really like these articles alot! , in my opinion the artcles such as 1reasonwhy and the dead island statue dont really fit with the core giantbomb audience , i know you feel strongly about these things patrick but in my opinion it just doesnt fit

No one cares. Start your own website if you want to be protected from stories that require a little maturity.

Stories from a man that is proud of the fact he smuggles beers into cinemas like an asshole and makes sure to mention it on every possible occasion.

#165 Edited by Carousel (418 posts) -

@mdnthrvst: You're being a real silly goose.

@Neon25: Watch out man, I'll jukebox troll you while I drink some PBR.

#166 Posted by Evercaptor (392 posts) -

@bunnymud said:

Is Patrick the only person who writes articles on this site anymore?

Yep; it's why they hired him and Alex.

#167 Posted by Missacre (566 posts) -

So it seems like the sexism talk moved over here, eh?

#168 Posted by FloppyDog (9 posts) -

There is such a ridiculous anti-Patrick faction in the GB community that is kinda insane. So many people who are jumping on him about his praise RocketGirl are participating in the one upsmanship that exists too often in the internet. Everybody is dying to be right. Patrick brings a very unique perspective to GB that is very rare in video game journalism. In fact, I think he is one of the few people in video game reporting that tries to do any level of journalism and I hope he continues.

Now, I do think Patrick is a bit wrong about saying RocketGirl is ok because it is fun in a ridiculous way. As came up in many Far Cry 3 talks, when you use heavily used tropes to parody those same heavily used tropes is your product in danger you in danger of just being those same rote tropes once again? That was the criticism laid at the feet of the Far Cry 3 writer when he attempted to defend his game and I think that it again fits here. Just watching the RocketGirl trailer made me feel uncomfortable.

The bust is wrong. Plain and simple. When I first saw it, I thought it was extremely gross. Just the idea of anybody wanting to own a torso with no head and limbs made me a bit queasy. Only afterward did I realize how silly of a product it was with it perfect boobs, tiny waist, all in a bikini. It is a sexist product but outside of that sexism, it is still abhorrent. There shouldn't be any debate on that.

Patrick, I love your "worth reading" articles. I hope you never stop writing them.

#169 Posted by FloppyDog (9 posts) -

@Neon25 said:

@bko said:

@jimmyfenix said:

I really like these articles alot! , in my opinion the artcles such as 1reasonwhy and the dead island statue dont really fit with the core giantbomb audience , i know you feel strongly about these things patrick but in my opinion it just doesnt fit

No one cares. Start your own website if you want to be protected from stories that require a little maturity.

Stories from a man that is proud of the fact he smuggles beers into cinemas like an asshole and makes sure to mention it on every possible occasion.

So instead of trying to have a civil discussion, you attack the man and not the position? I know it is easy to do that in the heat of the moment but.....don't do that. It just perpetuates angry feelings and doesn't move the discussion forward.

#170 Posted by alsepht (14 posts) -

Dear Patrick, Rocketgirl is an XBLIG. That's all.

#171 Posted by Nettacki (1313 posts) -

@FloppyDog: Tell me what the "unique perspective to GB that's rare in video game journalism" happens to be. If it's about the sexism thing, I'll have you know that there's about 20 other journalists parroting the same thing.

#172 Posted by cannonballBAM (593 posts) -

@WMWA said:

@Milkman
@jimmyfenix said:
I really like these articles alot! , in my opinion the artcles such as 1reasonwhy and the dead island statue dont really fit with the core giantbomb audience , i know you feel strongly about these things patrick but in my opinion it just doesnt fit
There's a difference between not fitting with you and not fitting with this "core audience" that you invented.

Keep writing them, Patrick.
Word

I agree, keep it up patrick.

#173 Posted by FloppyDog (9 posts) -

@Nettacki: I am not just talking about this. He writes a variety of other articles such as his recently posted one about the development on Zombiu. He writes about a variety of topics and I appreciate the stories he covers. Hell, I think 'Worth Reading' has become one of the best features on the site.

#174 Posted by KDR_11k (108 posts) -

The NeoGAF thread on XBLIG had a bit on Rocketgirl, apparently some Japanese devs questioned how that game even got past the "no porn" rules and said that hentai games would be tamer than that.

#175 Posted by ominousbedroom (226 posts) -

Although I don't have much time to read these in one sitting, I really enjoy these articles. It's a nice giant recap of interesting issues with cool links. Also, you've given me a new resolution.

To the entire complaintive GB community: I have yet to figure out why you are all so personally uncomforted, angered, conflagrated, etc. by Patrick. Even if you don't like him for whatever bizarre reason which is probably not really significant in any way, why is there such a pressing need to whine so publicly? Go do something productive with that energy.

I'm glad sexism is being discussed over, over, and over again. Same for racism, violence, and tons of other things that we may be sick of hearing about. All of these issues actually still exist and there can never be enough open discussion about it. Even if they go away to the point of mildly statistical significance, they are such integral parts of society and its products (hint: video games and media in general) that they can never be analyzed enough. The fact that these pieces generate comments like "why is this here" or "this doesn't fit GB's audience" is proof enough.

#176 Posted by MURDERSMASH (248 posts) -

@Neon25 said:

@bko said:

@jimmyfenix said:

I really like these articles alot! , in my opinion the artcles such as 1reasonwhy and the dead island statue dont really fit with the core giantbomb audience , i know you feel strongly about these things patrick but in my opinion it just doesnt fit

No one cares. Start your own website if you want to be protected from stories that require a little maturity.

Stories from a man that is proud of the fact he smuggles beers into cinemas like an asshole and makes sure to mention it on every possible occasion.

Dat ad hominem.

#177 Posted by Nettacki (1313 posts) -

@FloppyDog said:

@Nettacki: I am not just talking about this. He writes a variety of other articles such as his recently posted one about the development on Zombiu. He writes about a variety of topics and I appreciate the stories he covers. Hell, I think 'Worth Reading' has become one of the best features on the site.

Okay, that much I can definitely agree on. He's definitely one of those guys who writes a variety of content on the site, and my personal favorite was his 5-part in-depth examination of Telltale's The Walking Dead. I don't always agree with his stances on what he sees as sexism, but I can still respect him for all the other content he contributes to this site.

#178 Posted by Neon25 (21 posts) -

@ominousbedroom said:

I'm glad sexism is being discussed over, over, and over again. Same for racism, violence, and tons of other things that we may be sick of hearing about. All of these issues actually still exist and there can never be enough open discussion about it.

#179 Posted by alibson (165 posts) -

It's hilarious how gullible some people can be. At this point Patrick could write articles for the Ku Klux Klan and they would still defend him.

#180 Edited by Neon25 (21 posts) -

@MURDERSMASH said:

@Neon25 said:

@bko said:

@jimmyfenix said:

I really like these articles alot! , in my opinion the artcles such as 1reasonwhy and the dead island statue dont really fit with the core giantbomb audience , i know you feel strongly about these things patrick but in my opinion it just doesnt fit

No one cares. Start your own website if you want to be protected from stories that require a little maturity.

Stories from a man that is proud of the fact he smuggles beers into cinemas like an asshole and makes sure to mention it on every possible occasion.

Dat ad hominem.

As if bko's comment wasn't? If these stories require maturity they shouldn't be written by Patrick. Bringing beers to a movie makes you as mature as a 14-year-old, sorry. And for Zero Dark Thirty of all movies!

#181 Posted by Vuud (1432 posts) -

Just rename the site the PatrickBomb.com already whydoncha!!! GAWD! (i'm only half kidding)

#182 Posted by VoodooTatum (62 posts) -

@Centurypunk said:

I liked the point about how mental illness shouldn't be so heavily a threat with gun control. Most gun violence isn't caused by the mentally ill in America, even if some of the more high profile tragedies are.

Yeah but the most horrific gun violence is. I was also thinking that Patrick has no problem telling Leland Yee to shut about about how violent video games can lead to violent acts but runs an article about the whole Dead Island naughty torso. To me the violence in video games is a much more controversial conversation or at least one that is much more important than talking about how a thoughtless bloody torso with double Ds offends women. I'm not even saying I agree with Leland Yee but I can at least understand where he is coming from. If Leland Yee wanted to talked about the now famous torso and raise questions about how violent and obtuse it was I would be much more willing to listen and care.

#183 Posted by Blind_Evil (305 posts) -

Treasure Adventure World... I love boating, in real life or games, so I was quick to click that youtube video. Then...another indie platformer with some visual tricks. Great. v_v

#184 Posted by leebmx (1856 posts) -

@Fergtron said:

@jimmyfenix said:

I really like these articles alot! , in my opinion the artcles such as 1reasonwhy and the dead island statue dont really fit with the core giantbomb audience , i know you feel strongly about these things patrick but in my opinion it just doesnt fit

Agreed. I visit GiantBomb for fun videos and Quick Looks of upcoming games. These serious gender and marketing issues would fit better on a personal blog rather than the site itself. Maybe I'm being ignorant, but I like visiting this site for entertaining games content and articles like the Eight Responses thing only serve to create controversy and division within the community. Lets keep it fun, lets keep it videogames, huh?

Its possible to do both you know - Just don't read the articles that don't interest you, like I don't watch the QL for games I have no interest in.

If this community can't handle thinking and discussing some of the wider issues that are involved in videogames then they seriously need to grow up.

#185 Posted by king0fprussia (147 posts) -

Re: speedrunning,

#186 Posted by TheCheese33 (330 posts) -

@Neon25 said:

@MURDERSMASH said:

@Neon25 said:

@bko said:

@jimmyfenix said:

I really like these articles alot! , in my opinion the artcles such as 1reasonwhy and the dead island statue dont really fit with the core giantbomb audience , i know you feel strongly about these things patrick but in my opinion it just doesnt fit

No one cares. Start your own website if you want to be protected from stories that require a little maturity.

Stories from a man that is proud of the fact he smuggles beers into cinemas like an asshole and makes sure to mention it on every possible occasion.

Dat ad hominem.

As if bko's comment wasn't? If these stories require maturity they shouldn't be written by Patrick. Bringing beers to a movie makes you as mature as a 14-year-old, sorry. And for Zero Dark Thirty of all movies!

You really can't get over the fact that he wrote something you didn't like, can you? It must suck to live life in a constant storm of resentment. Step outside of that storm for a while! You'll feel much better about yourself and life.

#187 Posted by leebmx (1856 posts) -

@Neon25: Your post is so missed the point it is almost impossible to know where to start. You manage to dredge up 3 or 4 cases where a woman has been the perpitrator in a crime against a man, plus one book to prove that men are discriminated against. The reason these cases made the news is that they are such an exception to the huge numbers of sexual crimes carried out against women - which in the vast majority of which never end in conviction.

A few stats for you. In 2008 there were 90,000 reported rapes in the US. The arrest rate is 25% and the conviction rate on arrest is around 58%. So a very small number of cases actually end in conviction.

91% of rape victims are female and 99% of rapists are male.

So before you drag up scare stories consider who really bears the brunt of sexual violence the world over and ask who is really discriminated against.

Also if you want to talk about Taxi Drivers not being believed - check out the case of John Warboys - a rapist who drove a taxi in my home town. He raped over a 100 women from the back of his cab but police refused to be believe he could be guilty because of his proffession.

Also the reason that book isn't sexist when it is a man on the cover is because men, unlike women, haven't spent centuries being treated as possesions, and aren't regulaly compared to dogs to demean them. Who gets called bitch and dog all the time? Its not men.

Its right to be upset about the cases you point out - but to try and make them into any sort of case for discrimination against men in society is fantasy, and insulting to the real victims.

#188 Posted by FloppyDog (9 posts) -

@leebmx: He wasn't trying to make it seem like men are victims in society overall. Somebody much earlier had said that women should be the sole judges of what is racist and he disagreed. He was asked to provide examples of times when men were ever on the wrong wrong end of sexual discrimination. It wasn't some men's rights post.

#189 Posted by alibson (165 posts) -

@leebmx said:

@Neon25: Also the reason that book isn't sexist when it is a man on the cover is because men, unlike women, haven't spent centuries being treated as possesions, and aren't regulaly compared to dogs to demean them. Who gets called bitch and dog all the time? Its not men.

So can I keep white people as slaves now? They treated blacks as possessions for a long time.

#190 Posted by leebmx (1856 posts) -

@alibson said:

@leebmx said:

@Neon25: Also the reason that book isn't sexist when it is a man on the cover is because men, unlike women, haven't spent centuries being treated as possesions, and aren't regulaly compared to dogs to demean them. Who gets called bitch and dog all the time? Its not men.

So can I keep white people as slaves now? They treated blacks as possessions for a long time.

I'm pretty sure that was my point.

#191 Posted by Pr1mus (3513 posts) -

@leebmx: Before writing all that text you should have tried to understand the context of Neon25's post.

But in any case, the last part of your comment makes it easy to just ignore you from now on. You just sound like some "feminist" of the crazy variety, the kind that are not seeking to advance women's cause and fight for equality but simply want retribution for all the ill that happened to women in the history of the human race.

#192 Posted by hintonblogs (5 posts) -

@Sergio: I can't reply to everyone who quoted me because it'll turn this into a big mess but thanks to those who did anyway.

As for this issue I still think that Rocketgirl is in a different league to the Dead Island bust, but perhaps that's me giving the developers the benefit of the doubt. To use the movie analogy I'd say it's like someone watching 'Crank' and getting offended. The film is such an over-the-top, equal opportunities offender that you can't begin to take it remotely seriously. It's again equal to the Saints Row 2/3 thing. No one gets out of that game lightly and pretty much everyone is as reprehensible as everyone else (Indeed you could argue that being able to control a woman in the game and have her be as feared as the male character you would play means that the game is almost pro-feminism) so no one really bats an eye.

When I saw Rocketgirl I didn't think they were trying to pander, or entice me to buy the game. I saw the outrageous gameplay and style first before I saw the art of the woman and then just thought "Well of course it's a caricature of a woman riding a giant rocket." It just seems to me that the developers approached it tongue firmly in cheek. Again I could indeed be giving the developers too much credit, but that's my problem. The sole meaning behind it is different. It fits that game, the torso really doesn't fit the tone of Dead Island - which, to address an earlier point, is a little more over the top in gameplay than I gave it credit for but tonally (Narratively) it's deadly serious.

As for the Dead Island thing it literally whittles down the woman to a pair of tits. Convenient that the zombies eating her choose to stop at just an aesthetically pleasing moment. You have to think about WHY they chose to release that bust, WHY they thought that one was the best design and the only real answer is because they wanted a shitty gimmick to pander to a young, male, demographic. Why not do a his and hers matching set? Because they know no-one in their audience would buy a torn up male torso. I imagine if they'd done that no one would've actually cared.

Oh and I agree with in what he said. Those examples are not examples of men being exploited by some sort of institutionalised feminism. It's a set of stories where one group of people is horrible to another, and some legal cases where we don't really have the information as to why X didn't have to register as a sex offender (If it was the case that no women at all had to register on the sex offenders list then you'd have a point, but that's not the case is it?).

#193 Posted by leebmx (1856 posts) -

@Pr1mus said:

@leebmx: Before writing all that text you should have tried to understand the context of Neon25's post.

But in any case, the last part of your comment makes it easy to just ignore you from now on. You just sound like some "feminist" of the crazy variety, the kind that are not seeking to advance women's cause and fight for equality but simply want retribution for all the ill that happened to women in the history of the human race.

Not sure what point I made outs me as a crazy feminist, but you are welcome to point it out if you can keep from ignoring me any longer.

I think I got the context which was someone asking him to provide examples of discrimination against men, and he found these ones hanging around on the net none of which are really discrimination apart from maybe the school teacher and the kid. You've got a false accusation of a crime, not prosecuted. Then a mother who doesn't want to rage charges, and then a silly book.

My point was that it might be possible to find the odd case where a man gets a raw deal against women but none of these amount to any sort of pattern or overall societal unfairness.

#194 Posted by alibson (165 posts) -
#195 Posted by MURDERSMASH (248 posts) -

@Neon25: Just because bko did it, doesn't mean it's suddenly OK for you to do it as well. You speak of maturity, yet you defend your comments with "BUT HE DID IT FIRST, MOMMY!".

#196 Posted by MURDERSMASH (248 posts) -

@alibson said:

@leebmx: Confirmation bias

Mind explaining why you feel what leebmx is saying is confirmation bias? You'd make your point far stronger if you provided context for your claims of fallacious logic.

#197 Posted by leebmx (1856 posts) -

@MURDERSMASH said:

@alibson said:

@leebmx: Confirmation bias

Mind explaining why you feel what leebmx is saying is confirmation bias? You'd make your point far stronger if you provided context for your claims of fallacious logic.

I didn't get it either.

#198 Posted by MURDERSMASH (248 posts) -

@leebmx said:

@MURDERSMASH said:

@alibson said:

@leebmx: Confirmation bias

Mind explaining why you feel what leebmx is saying is confirmation bias? You'd make your point far stronger if you provided context for your claims of fallacious logic.

I didn't get it either.

If anything, the claims of that post detailing discrimination against men are based on confirmation bias. To me, it looks like the people wielding that are simply grasping for straws, pointing and yelling "See? SEE?! MEN'S RIGHTS!", ignoring the fact that those examples are, by far, the exception. That's not to say that they should be ignored (no one should be discriminated against, regardless of sex, gender, sexual orientation, etc.), but to claim that this is concrete evidence that men have become the oppressed group or whatever is just silly and paranoid. (holy run-on sentence, Batman!)

#199 Posted by alibson (165 posts) -

@MURDERSMASH: Again, confirmation bias.

It takes one small statue for people to start shouting about how all women are oppressed, but you dismiss multiple cases of discrimination against men as "grasping for straws". That's a textbook definition of confirmation bias.

#200 Edited by MURDERSMASH (248 posts) -

@alibson said:

@MURDERSMASH: Again, confirmation bias.

It takes one small statue for people to start shouting about how all women are oppressed, but you dismiss multiple cases of discrimination against men as "grasping for straws". That's a textbook definition of confirmation bias.

Like I said before, those examples of discrimination are the exception, and while they should not be ignored, they also should not be treated as some sort of example endemic to problems men face. They don't point to a long-standing, institutionalized form of discrimination like the statue does. So, what leebmx is saying isn't confirmation bias, because he/she isn't grasping for straws in an attempt to prove something that just isn't a problem in the same way.

Those examples provided were most certainly shitty people being shitty, and no one is trying to say otherwise.