#1 Posted by Penzilneck (423 posts) -

So it seems Motorola won a case against Microsoft in German courts over some patent issues and has had sales of the console, along with Windows 7, Windows Media Player and Internet Explorer apparently, banned for the time being.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-17924190

#2 Posted by MattyFTM (14432 posts) -

It won't last very long. Sooner or later Microsoft will say "Hey, Motorola, did you notice that big pile of money that arrived in your vault?" and Motorola will say "Patent? What patent? We don't have any patent that stops the sale of Xbox and Windows".

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#3 Posted by Penzilneck (423 posts) -

@MattyFTM: I'm honestly even surprised that this got the fast exposure it did here in Europe. This was noon front page news in my country. It'll be over soon, no doubt. Still seems to be only a recent development in a long ongoing case of Motorola's against MS.

#4 Posted by FourWude (2245 posts) -

Good, take down the whiteys and the whitey console.

#5 Posted by Baillie (4282 posts) -
@FourWude: My last two xboxs have been black.
#6 Posted by Dagbiker (6978 posts) -

@FourWude said:

Good, take down the whiteys and the whitey console.

Your looking for the Wii forum.

#7 Posted by Chias (81 posts) -

@Dagbiker said:

@FourWude said:

Good, take down the whiteys and the whitey console.

Your looking for the Wii forum.

But aren't the Wiis all black now as well?

#8 Edited by Dagbiker (6978 posts) -

@Chias said:

@Dagbiker said:

@FourWude said:

Good, take down the whiteys and the whitey console.

Your looking for the Wii forum.

But aren't the Wiis all black now as well?

Yah i guess so.

#9 Posted by Penzilneck (423 posts) -

@FourWude: My NES is pretty beige from sitting in the sun too long...

Is that racist?

#10 Posted by Dagbiker (6978 posts) -

@Penzilneck said:

@FourWude: My NES is pretty beige from sitting in the sun too long...

Is that racist?

No, thats just bronzed, like Snookie.

#11 Posted by FourWude (2245 posts) -

@Dagbiker said:

@Penzilneck said:

@FourWude: My NES is pretty beige from sitting in the sun too long...

Is that racist?

No, thats just bronzed, like Snookie.

Snookie is a species unto herself.

#12 Posted by Penzilneck (423 posts) -

@FourWude: Not to be mean, but wouldn't her coloring be described as 'whorange'?

#13 Posted by FourWude (2245 posts) -

@Penzilneck said:

@FourWude: Not to be mean, but wouldn't her coloring be described as 'whorange'?

Haha! Yes it would. And whorange will now officialy be entering my lexicon. Urban Dictionary says it's a word and tbay's all the confirmation we need for official usage.

#14 Posted by Yanngc33 (4461 posts) -

360s aren't "banned", they're just not allowed to be sold in Germany. People in Germany can still order them and are still allowed to use them

#15 Posted by Penzilneck (423 posts) -

@Yanngc33: Of course, that's right. I hadn't realized my phrasing could be obviously understood that way. But no, no one's door is being kicked down in Germany over possession of Xboxes.

#16 Posted by Hitchenson (4682 posts) -

A place where the 360 isn't sold. That sounds like a utopia.

#17 Posted by mandude (2666 posts) -

Germany hasn't had a very good history with games. Wasn't Doom released there only last year?

#18 Edited by believer258 (12187 posts) -
Microsoft has said that if it met all of Motorola's demands it would face an annual bill of $4bn (£2.5bn). Motorola disputes the figure.

Pocket change. Cheapasses.

@Hitchenson said:

A place where the 360 isn't sold. That sounds like a utopia.

Yes. Also following the 360 out of the door is Windows 7, which cuts out oh, say, about 90% of PC games.

#19 Posted by AlexW00d (6435 posts) -
"Winning the injunction came easy, according to Foss Patents, and the real challenge will be in actually enforcing the ban of Microsoft's four popular products named above. It's a given that Microsoft will appeal ruling, and by doing so, Motorola would be on the hook for any damages that arise from a premature enforcement if a court later decides the injunction was bogus. If Motorola wants to take that risk -- and it's a big one -- the company would have to pony up a security bond worth "hundreds of millions of euros."

Probably important to note.

#20 Posted by Penzilneck (423 posts) -

@AlexW00d said:

"Winning the injunction came easy, according to Foss Patents, and the real challenge will be in actually enforcing the ban of Microsoft's four popular products named above. It's a given that Microsoft will appeal ruling, and by doing so, Motorola would be on the hook for any damages that arise from a premature enforcement if a court later decides the injunction was bogus. If Motorola wants to take that risk -- and it's a big one -- the company would have to pony up a security bond worth "hundreds of millions of euros."

Probably important to note.

Well pointed out.

#21 Posted by stinky (1553 posts) -

moto isn't allowed to actually give an injunction. no ban is in place.

#22 Posted by Bravestar (382 posts) -

and ofcourse the only people who are benefiting from it are lawyers. damn, why didn't I become a lawyer?

oh right, now I remember.

#23 Posted by YoThatLimp (1938 posts) -

@Penzilneck said:

@Yanngc33: Of course, that's right. I hadn't realized my phrasing could be obviously understood that way. But no, no one's door is being kicked down in Germany over possession of Xboxes.

It's hard to not leap to that conclusion. Ya'know with their history of kicking down doors and seizing things.

#24 Posted by Penzilneck (423 posts) -

@YoThatLimp said:

@Penzilneck said:

@Yanngc33: Of course, that's right. I hadn't realized my phrasing could be obviously understood that way. But no, no one's door is being kicked down in Germany over possession of Xboxes.

It's hard to not leap to that conclusion. Ya'know with their history of kicking down doors and seizing things.

I could make a joke and say that I "did nazi that coming", but I'm above that.

#25 Posted by BigChickenDinner (761 posts) -

I fucking hate humans.

#26 Posted by NlGHTCRAWLER (1210 posts) -

@Penzilneck said:

@Yanngc33: Of course, that's right. I hadn't realized my phrasing could be obviously understood that way. But no, no one's door is being kicked down in Germany over possession of Xboxes.

#27 Posted by MikkaQ (10344 posts) -

Patent disputes are the most saddening and disappointing aspect of science and technology. They're not supposed to be able to patent things that are obvious, and yet things like "pinch to zoom" require massive payments to Apple to use. How can you patent a gesture anyway? Does CBS own the vulcan salute?

#28 Posted by MariachiMacabre (7099 posts) -

If I remember correctly, the 360s aren't banned in Germany because Microsoft was granted a preliminary injunction against Motorola to keep them from enforcing any German court orders.

#29 Edited by Mr_Skeleton (5154 posts) -

@MattyFTM said:

It won't last very long. Sooner or later Microsoft will say "Hey, Motorola, did you notice that big pile of money that arrived in your vault?" and Motorola will say "Patent? What patent? We don't have any patent that stops the sale of Xbox and Windows".

It will probably look something like this.

#30 Edited by Sooty (8082 posts) -

@believer258 said:

Yes. Also following the 360 out of the door is Windows 7, which cuts out oh, say, about 90% of PC games.

More like 1% as barely any games require Dx10 or 11 which means you can just use XP.

#31 Posted by believer258 (12187 posts) -

@Sooty said:

@believer258 said:

Yes. Also following the 360 out of the door is Windows 7, which cuts out oh, say, about 90% of PC games.

More like 1% as barely any games require Dx10 or 11 which means you can just use XP.

Maybe, but you'll have to upgrade from XP sooner or later. I swear, some people hang on to XP like grandmothers were once hanging on to 98.

#32 Posted by Sooty (8082 posts) -

@believer258 said:

@Sooty said:

@believer258 said:

Yes. Also following the 360 out of the door is Windows 7, which cuts out oh, say, about 90% of PC games.

More like 1% as barely any games require Dx10 or 11 which means you can just use XP.

Maybe, but you'll have to upgrade from XP sooner or later. I swear, some people hang on to XP like grandmothers were once hanging on to 98.

I'll be shocked if this ban lasts more than a week to be honest.

#33 Posted by devilzrule27 (1239 posts) -

Didn't Sony go through something like this in a patent law suit against LG? I don't recall anything major coming of that either. This will go away quietly.

#34 Posted by Penzilneck (423 posts) -

@devilzrule27 said:

Didn't Sony go through something like this in a patent law suit against LG? I don't recall anything major coming of that either. This will go away quietly.

I might be way off, but you may be talking about the patent-issue over rumbling mechanisms.

#35 Posted by devilzrule27 (1239 posts) -

@Penzilneck said:

@devilzrule27 said:

Didn't Sony go through something like this in a patent law suit against LG? I don't recall anything major coming of that either. This will go away quietly.

I might be way off, but you may be talking about the patent-issue over rumbling mechanisms.

Nah it definitely wasn't that. I'll see if I can find it.

here it is:

http://www.gamerlaw.co.uk/2011/03/what-lg-vs-sony-lawsuit-means-for-you.html

http://www.engadget.com/2011/08/11/lg-sony-drop-patent-infringement-lawsuits-strike-cross-licensi/

#36 Posted by Penzilneck (423 posts) -

@BigChickenDinner said:

I fucking hate humans.

That's understandable.

#37 Posted by NekuCTR (1663 posts) -

This could be a cool experiment. I want to see what happens when an entire country uses Macs. Will it become the most efficient State in the world? Or will it become a country full of hipsters that is alienated from the world?

#38 Posted by chrissedoff (2167 posts) -

@NekuCTR: This is Germany we're talking about. They're already the most efficient state in the world.

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#39 Posted by Grimluck343 (1160 posts) -

@NlGHTCRAWLER too soon.

#40 Posted by nintendoeats (5975 posts) -

@believer258 said:

@Sooty said:

@believer258 said:

Yes. Also following the 360 out of the door is Windows 7, which cuts out oh, say, about 90% of PC games.

More like 1% as barely any games require Dx10 or 11 which means you can just use XP.

Maybe, but you'll have to upgrade from XP sooner or later. I swear, some people hang on to XP like grandmothers were once hanging on to 98.

I'm fairly confident that most games require Windows Vista or 7 now. I just did a random survey of my Steam games and most of them explicitly state that Windows XP isn't supported.

#41 Posted by MikeGosot (3227 posts) -
@mandude said:

Germany hasn't had a very good history with games. Wasn't Doom released there only last year?

Yep. Because of graphical violence (Which is not relevant anymore.) and because the history was sadistic, and did not 'neutralized' the violent parts. Whatever that means. I remember making a homework about this.
#42 Posted by NlGHTCRAWLER (1210 posts) -

@Grimluck343 said:

@NlGHTCRAWLER too soon.

I only wish I could have done it sooner.

#43 Posted by MrKlorox (11209 posts) -

All people who own one will have to wear a badge with three quarters of a red ring when out in public

#44 Edited by familyphotoshoot (654 posts) -

I have a hard time taking anything video game related that comes out of Germany seriously.

#45 Posted by CaptainObvious (3000 posts) -

@familyphotoshoot said:

I have a hard time taking anything video game related that comes out of Germany seriously.

Man, this is hilarious.

#46 Posted by KaneRobot (1828 posts) -

@Hitchenson said:

A place where the 360 isn't sold. That sounds like a utopia.

Well sure, unless you like videagamez.

#47 Posted by Penzilneck (423 posts) -

@CaptainObvious said:

@familyphotoshoot said:

I have a hard time taking anything video game related that comes out of Germany seriously.

Man, this is hilarious.

Goddamn hilarious.

#48 Posted by zombiepenguin9 (529 posts) -

@MikeGosot said:

@mandude said:

Germany hasn't had a very good history with games. Wasn't Doom released there only last year?

Yep. Because of graphical violence (Which is not relevant anymore.) and because the history was sadistic, and did not 'neutralized' the violent parts. Whatever that means. I remember making a homework about this.

I don't think they like anything id does. I remember reading that Wolfenstein 3D caused quite a ruckus over there. Can't imagine why!

#49 Posted by BPRJCTX (709 posts) -

Great, the next Xbox is just about to be announced anyway, Microsoft should just forget about it.

Don't give them any money.

I didn't even know Motorola was still alive anyway, maybe, this is just them grasping at straws, Microsoft should just forget about it, and they'll probably go bankrupt soon, and then MS can just buy those patents.

#50 Posted by Trilogy (2688 posts) -

@Penzilneck said:

@CaptainObvious said:

@familyphotoshoot said:

I have a hard time taking anything video game related that comes out of Germany seriously.

Man, this is hilarious.

Goddamn hilarious.

Naptime!