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#1 Posted by Metal_Mills (2980 posts) -

http://www.mcvindia.com/news/read/ian-livingstone-talks-next-gen-hints-at-always-on-used-game-blocking-xbox/0111409

On the possibility of boxed retail being abandoned in favour of digital distribution, Livingstone told MCV, “Boxed games aren’t being abandoned just yet. I think the next iteration of consoles – the PS4 and the next Xbox, have got optical disc drives even though they probably don’t want to have them. Broadband speed globally isn’t at a level that justifies digital-only.”

“So they’ve gone halfway,” he added, giving the example of Microsoft’s supposed next-gen approach, “With the next Xbox, you supposedly have to have an internet connection, and the discs are watermarked, whereby once played on one console it won’t play on another. So I think the generation after that will be digital-only.”

That's craaaaazy if it is and gives the PS4 a huge advantage. Especially in countries outside America where they might not be able to have always-on internet or new games are too expensive to always buy.

#2 Posted by KaosAngel (13765 posts) -

Doesn't bother me. Buy games new and a few weeks after they're out. Amazon normally has them at half off or more by then.

#3 Posted by Jams (2959 posts) -

here we fucking go again

#4 Posted by StarFoxA (5137 posts) -

I'm not a huge fan of always online for the oft-stated reasons, but no used games could be beneficial if it's backed up by crazy sales like Steam.

#5 Edited by Animasta (14633 posts) -

just a huge advantage? this would give the PS4 the win

#6 Edited by KaosAngel (13765 posts) -

@starfoxa: Always online hasn't been a problem for me ever. Most games I play that require online, I only play because they are online. If I need internet that bad, I just tether my Nexus 4 to whatever device needs internet and done.

#7 Posted by leebmx (2198 posts) -

I will be very interested to see how they will present this if this does actually turn out to be the truth. I can't imagine it will be something they mention at any press conferences so it will be interesting to see how they slip it out.

Also it will just make them look so bad if the PS4 doesn't follow suit.

#8 Posted by Daveyo520 (6651 posts) -

Well good thing I always have the internet. Always online has not and will never bother me personally.

#9 Edited by FluxWaveZ (19304 posts) -
@leebmx said:

Also it will just make them look so bad if the PS4 doesn't follow suit.

Sony has straight up said "The PS4 will play used games."

I rent a lot of games and I'm a fan of selling some games that I buy, so if this is true I don't think I could ever get myself to buy a Durango.

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#10 Edited by McGhee (6094 posts) -

It's not time for this yet. They are going to shoot themselves in the foot.

Also consider that this will piss off Gamestop and they might start giving heavy preferential treatment to Sony.

#11 Posted by Clonedzero (4037 posts) -

this isn't true.

#12 Edited by DaMisterChief (628 posts) -

With the next Xbox, you supposedly have to have an internet connection, and the discs are watermarked, whereby once played on one console it won’t play on another.So I think the generation after that will be digital-only.”

Read before hand, this is a WHAT IF scenario and if its true who cares, why does anyone have to worry about the baby corporations with no money.

#13 Edited by alternate (2679 posts) -

I suspect he is just commenting on the rumours. MS don't share stuff like that with even big publishers ahead of time and it isn''t something dev units would hint at. All that would be system level/disc manufacturing level.

I remember an interview with EA back when ms introduced XBG4 and he didn't even seem to know what the update waves were.

I think MS and maybe Sony wanted to lock down used games but if Sony have ruled it out then MS will kill it. They don't want people to see Sony as a more open platform as it would kill them before launch.

#14 Edited by Hunkulese (2624 posts) -

@metal_mills said:

http://www.mcvindia.com/news/read/ian-livingstone-talks-next-gen-hints-at-always-on-used-game-blocking-xbox/0111409

On the possibility of boxed retail being abandoned in favour of digital distribution, Livingstone told MCV, “Boxed games aren’t being abandoned just yet. I think the next iteration of consoles – the PS4 and the next Xbox, have got optical disc drives even though they probably don’t want to have them. Broadband speed globally isn’t at a level that justifies digital-only.”

“So they’ve gone halfway,” he added, giving the example of Microsoft’s supposed next-gen approach, “With the next Xbox, you supposedly have to have an internet connection, and the discs are watermarked, whereby once played on one console it won’t play on another. So I think the generation after that will be digital-only.”

That's craaaaazy if it is and gives the PS4 a huge advantage. Especially in countries outside America where they might not be able to have always-on internet or new games are too expensive to always buy.

Countries outside America?

The United States is one of the least connected civilized countries.

No used games also allows more flexibility with the cost of new games that aren't brand new anymore. The PC is doing fine and you've never been able to buy used games.

#15 Edited by leebmx (2198 posts) -

@leebmx said:

Also it will just make them look so bad if the PS4 doesn't follow suit.

Sony has straight up said "The PS4 will play used games."

I thought they gave a slightly ambiguous answer about that but I may well be wrong. If not - it will make them look bad and I find it hard to believe they would do it. Unless they are that clever that they have worked out that even with hordes of screaming nerds waving pitchforks they will still make lots of extra money - that or they have some Steam-like sales planned which they are going to show off before launch.

However I still refuse to believe that they would say 'if you don't have internet you can't play games' that would be so stupid, maybe the watermark thing works offline?

#16 Edited by KaosAngel (13765 posts) -

@mcghee said:

Also consider that this will piss off Gamestop and they might start giving heavy preferential treatment to Sony.

It won't make a difference. COD sales are new copies in the millions. The majority of gamers buy games new be it online, digital, or somewhere else.

YOLOSWAG420JOINT69er will buy it at launch new. He won't give a fuck about restrictions because they don't apply to the average gamer. They're always online, buy new copies, and keep buying DLC.

YOLOSWAG420JOINT69er is the majority gamer. Not you.

#17 Posted by KaosAngel (13765 posts) -

@leebmx: His words were it was up to publishers.

#18 Edited by FluxWaveZ (19304 posts) -

@kaosangel said:

@mcghee said:

Also consider that this will piss off Gamestop and they might start giving heavy preferential treatment to Sony.

It won't make a difference. COD sales are new copies in the millions. The majority of gamers buy games new be it online, digital, or somewhere else.

YOLOSWAG420JOINT69er will buy it at launch new. He won't give a fuck about restrictions because they don't apply to the average gamer. They're always online, buy new copies, and keep buying DLC.

YOLOSWAG420JOINT69er is the majority gamer. Not you.

Preferential treatment could mean DLC deals, promotion/advertising, store space and such, right?

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#19 Edited by thebatmobile (979 posts) -

craaaazy if it is and gives the PS4 a huge advantage. Especially in countries outside America where they might not be able to have always-on internet or new games are too expensive to always buy.

You're kidding right?

EDIT: If it's unclear, I'm referring to the close-mindedness of americans.

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#21 Posted by KaosAngel (13765 posts) -
#22 Posted by McGhee (6094 posts) -

@kaosangel said:

@mcghee said:

Also consider that this will piss off Gamestop and they might start giving heavy preferential treatment to Sony.

It won't make a difference. COD sales are new copies in the millions. The majority of gamers buy games new be it online, digital, or somewhere else.

YOLOSWAG420JOINT69er will buy it at launch new. He won't give a fuck about restrictions because they don't apply to the average gamer. They're always online, buy new copies, and keep buying DLC.

YOLOSWAG420JOINT69er is the majority gamer. Not you.

Preferential treatment could mean DLC deals, promotion/advertising, store space and such, right?

This is what I'm talking about.

#23 Posted by leebmx (2198 posts) -

@mcghee said:

Also consider that this will piss off Gamestop and they might start giving heavy preferential treatment to Sony.

It won't make a difference. COD sales are new copies in the millions. The majority of gamers buy games new be it online, digital, or somewhere else.

YOLOSWAG420JOINT69er will buy it at launch new. He won't give a fuck about restrictions because they don't apply to the average gamer. They're always online, buy new copies, and keep buying DLC.

YOLOSWAG420JOINT69er is the majority gamer. Not you.

Used games are a huge part of Gamestop's and many other stores (CEX in the UK for example) business. They would struggle to stay open if they had to stop selling used games.

#24 Edited by KaosAngel (13765 posts) -
#25 Posted by leebmx (2198 posts) -

@leebmx said:

I thought they gave a slightly ambiguous answer about that but I may well be wrong. If not - it will make them look bad and I find it hard to believe they would do it.

Sony tells Eurogamer: PlayStation 4 will not block used games

Reading the article, I think the headline is much more definitive than anything in the text. The way the conversation is presented makes it sound uncertain to say the least, especially as Yoshida had to go and speak to his PR guy before giving an answer. I wouldn't call it a 100% definitive.

Still I don't expect it to happen, but you can see why I thought they were being a little ambiguous, right?

#26 Posted by Tactical_Kill (1695 posts) -

@leebmx said:

I will be very interested to see how they will present this if this does actually turn out to be the truth. I can't imagine it will be something they mention at any press conferences so it will be interesting to see how they slip it out

Or they will simply try to spin it as a bonus by saying something like "now you are always connected to what your friends are doing."

#27 Edited by FFFFFFF (75 posts) -

My internet will just randomly drop and reconnect a couple of times a day a least. A lot of times when I play Dark souls online, I can get randomly dropped out of the game at the worst times. If Dark souls didn't have an offline mode, some days I just wouldn't be able to play it without constant internet frustrations. Stuff like that is my idea of always online and why I don't like it.

And if they actually go through with discs that can't be re-sold, I would never buy the console. Video games don't deserve to be able to say that the second hand market doesn't apply to them, but I guess the market will decide.

#28 Posted by Metal_Mills (2980 posts) -

craaaazy if it is and gives the PS4 a huge advantage. Especially in countries outside America where they might not be able to have always-on internet or new games are too expensive to always buy.

You're kidding right?

EDIT: If it's unclear, I'm referring to the close-mindedness of americans.

I still don't get what you mean. And I'm not American, I'm Australian. There are plenty of countries that have shoddy internet, data caps, or it's just plain expensive. Being able to steam HD content everyday and download huge games isn't something many places can do as easily as the US.

#29 Posted by Animasta (14633 posts) -

@thebatmobile said:

craaaazy if it is and gives the PS4 a huge advantage. Especially in countries outside America where they might not be able to have always-on internet or new games are too expensive to always buy.

You're kidding right?

EDIT: If it's unclear, I'm referring to the close-mindedness of americans.

I still don't get what you mean. And I'm not American, I'm Australian. There are plenty of countries that have shoddy internet, data caps, or it's just plain expensive. Being able to steam HD content everyday and download huge games isn't something many places can do as easily as the US.

honestly, not really? Pretty much the entirety of Europe has way better speeds/caps than Americans do.

#30 Posted by FluxWaveZ (19304 posts) -
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#31 Posted by StarFoxA (5137 posts) -

@starfoxa: Always online hasn't been a problem for me ever. Most games I play that require online, I only play because they are online. If I need internet that bad, I just tether my Nexus 4 to whatever device needs internet and done.

I just don't like seeing the trend move from multiplayer to single player. Regardless of the fact that I probably will always have internet, it just feels dirty that the product I purchased is artificially limited.

#32 Edited by FluxWaveZ (19304 posts) -

I wonder if people had a similar reaction to this rumor compared to when whatever news about Xbox Live Gold being a paid service came around; the only platform that required users to pay to play online multiplayer. Maybe they're going to attempt to do the same with the Durango as being the only platform that won't support used games?

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#33 Edited by Ares42 (2550 posts) -

Ehm, let me get this straight. There's a rumor about the new consoles, someone talks about that rumor, rumor is now confirmed ?

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#34 Posted by WinterSnowblind (7613 posts) -

I can live without used-games, I rarely buy those, but requiring you to always be online would ensure I never buy the console, ever.

But I can't see these rumours being true, even Microsoft can't possibly think this would be a good idea. It's most likely just speculation over their recent copyrights. Sony have been copyrighting a lot of technology that will stop used games as well and they've already outright said the PS4 won't employ any of them.

#35 Posted by FluxWaveZ (19304 posts) -

@ares42 said:

Ehm, let me get this straight. There's a rumor about the new consoles, someone talks about that rumor, rumor is now confirmed ?

This is in no way a confirmation. Notice that the thread title has "hinted" in it. However, the same source that stated that the Durango would not allow used games was also the source of many PS4 rumors such as GDDR5 that came true.

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#36 Posted by leebmx (2198 posts) -
#37 Posted by GrantHeaslip (1499 posts) -

I’m more inclined to the PS4, but not because of this. I don’t buy used games, and I don’t really care about DRM for content that’s only compatible with one device anyway.

The recurring “but what if someone doesn’t hook their console up to the internet” argument is a red herring at this point. It’s 2013 — the no-internet contingent is a tiny minority. You can bust out numbers showing how many current-generation consoles aren’t connected, but I imagine most of those are result of laziness or not caring, not an inability. Do you think Apple gives a shit about iPad customers with no Wi-Fi? Can you even activate an iPad without internet access?

That's craaaaazy if it is and gives the PS4 a huge advantage. Especially in countries outside America where they might not be able to have always-on internet or new games are too expensive to always buy.

There isn’t a single important video game market in which internet access is a serious issue. Bandwidth could making downloading full games a problem in some areas, which is fine because nobody is doing away with discs.

Customer perceptions aside (which I’m sure is a real concern), console manufacturers and game publishers don’t have any interest in people buying used games. These consoles will probably be sold at a loss — if someone refuses to buy a Durango because they can’t get used games, in some ways, Microsoft would be better off without them. Publishers hate used games and would love to see them disappear, for obvious reasons.

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#38 Edited by fazzle (296 posts) -

Always connected would kill me with the next gen XBox. I travel for my job and like to bring my 360 with me, but many times the hotels I stay at have either no wifi or awkwardly implented passwords on their wifi that don't play well with the 360, and I wind up playing my 360 offline for months at a time.

#39 Edited by Daveyo520 (6651 posts) -
@leebmx said:

They still need somewhere to sell boxed games though. These chains would vanish without used. I still don't think they are in the business of kicking their partners right in the balls.

Walmart and Amazon, problem solved. Game publishers hate Gamestop and used games and they really really want them to die and go out of business. They can not make money on used games, only the first sell. So anyway they can force used games to die would be a big plus and better than losing Gamestop to sell a few things for them.

#40 Edited by Kinapuff (244 posts) -

It wouldn't bother me as I'm always connected and always buy games new, but I can see this swinging in Sonys favour by a whole lot.

#41 Posted by PeasantAbuse (5137 posts) -

@animasta said:

@metal_mills said:

@thebatmobile said:

craaaazy if it is and gives the PS4 a huge advantage. Especially in countries outside America where they might not be able to have always-on internet or new games are too expensive to always buy.

You're kidding right?

EDIT: If it's unclear, I'm referring to the close-mindedness of americans.

I still don't get what you mean. And I'm not American, I'm Australian. There are plenty of countries that have shoddy internet, data caps, or it's just plain expensive. Being able to steam HD content everyday and download huge games isn't something many places can do as easily as the US.

honestly, not really? Pretty much the entirety of Europe has way better speeds/caps than Americans do.

Lol, only Europe and America are real.

#42 Posted by Vanek (381 posts) -

I would never buy an always on console purely because my Internet connection and me don't always get along. And as for the blocking used games bit I accept that with PC games because they don't cost as much as console games. I've got the new Tomb Raider pre-ordered for £20 on the PC, while most places are selling the console version for £35-£40. If they lowered the price of console games and blocked used copies I wouldn't mind but at the current price locking games to an account/console is not something I'm going to be associated with or support.

I don't think that it will happen. That quote does say "supposedly" so until Microsoft confirm it I'm going to assume they wont do that. If they did it would make choosing my next console a lot easier mind you.

#43 Posted by DonPixel (2585 posts) -

If true, FUCK DAT SHIT!

#44 Posted by VilhelmNielsen (1733 posts) -

He said "supposedly". His sources may as-well be a rumor on Reddit.

#45 Posted by Bollard (5201 posts) -

@leebmx said:

Also it will just make them look so bad if the PS4 doesn't follow suit.

Sony has straight up said "The PS4 will play used games, if the publisher allows it."

I'm pretty sure that ^ is more along the lines of what they said.

#46 Edited by Blu3V3nom07 (4136 posts) -

I be good with it.

#47 Posted by Alekss (327 posts) -

@animasta said:

@metal_mills said:

@thebatmobile said:

craaaazy if it is and gives the PS4 a huge advantage. Especially in countries outside America where they might not be able to have always-on internet or new games are too expensive to always buy.

You're kidding right?

EDIT: If it's unclear, I'm referring to the close-mindedness of americans.

I still don't get what you mean. And I'm not American, I'm Australian. There are plenty of countries that have shoddy internet, data caps, or it's just plain expensive. Being able to steam HD content everyday and download huge games isn't something many places can do as easily as the US.

honestly, not really? Pretty much the entirety of Europe has way better speeds/caps than Americans do.

I live in a village in Romania and I have 40 mbps. There's people in the cities that have 80 mbps easily. Not shitting you.

#48 Posted by yakov456 (1896 posts) -

The only time I will believe any of this is when they hit the shelves. That goes for either side.

#49 Posted by Vinny_Says (5681 posts) -

Doesn't it benefit the publishers more than the console makers to stop used games sales? What would stop Square Enix or Activision or EA from implementing the same restrictions on PS3 games?

#50 Posted by jacksmedulla (278 posts) -

@jams said:

here we fucking go again

I really hate all of the bullshit speculation that crops up prior to a console announcement.