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#101 Posted by Rotnac (817 posts) -

The amount of free content has never diminished. More premium content is never a bad thing. If you like GiantBomb and want access to more content then pay up and support the site. Making a big stink about this is nonsense...

#102 Edited by Jaytow (705 posts) -
#103 Edited by JasonR86 (9726 posts) -

@laksa:

I'm sorry I was watching premium content. Did you say something?

#104 Edited by BisonHero (7035 posts) -

@hailinel said:

@marokai: I'm not seeing the "legitimate issues" here. That the individual participation per quick look for staff members has gone down isn't really indicative of anything other than they're not as busy with Quick Looks. Ryan being in less Quick Looks does not mean anything other than he is occupying his time with other site work.

I'm pretty much with Hailinel.

So the overall number of Quick Looks is comparable, but staff participation on Quick Looks is lower; the conclusion is that most Quick Looks are a 2-man-QL these days, when in the old days you would get 3-man-QLs more often? That just seems like a weird argument, because I don't think 2-man-QLs are inferior to 3-man-QLs or something. 3-man-QLs are wackier, but there are plenty of amazing 2-man-QLs. Yeah, Ryan and Brad's number of participated Quick Looks has fallen, but it does sound like they have more weekly meetings to attend now that they're part of CBSi. They spend time playing games to prepare for Quick Looks or reviews. They make arrangements with PR people to go see a game, or have someone send the game to the office. And just overall, who cares? Why should their entire workweek be something we're keeping tabs on? I'm sure there is a man in the CBSi offices somewhere whose job is to make sure people are actually working, and not just jacking off in a corner somewhere.

All this comparing numbers year-over-year seems insane to me, when you really get down to it. It's kind of gross that we're getting this far into comparing each staff member's involvement in Quick Looks. We're not stockholders or owners or anything. Do those data actually correlate to anything meaningful? Have non-premium users stopped coming to the site because Brad is in 31% fewer Quick Looks than this time last year? Is Giant Bomb a bad website now?

#105 Posted by TwoLines (2841 posts) -

2012 - "There's not enough subscriber content!"

2013 - "There's too much subscriber content!"

Eggzacktly. They're a small team, so if they make more premium stuff, they will do less of the free stuff. You can't have it both ways people! I suppose there is a solution here, something in the middle that makes everyone happy (nah, people will always be grumpy on the internet), but it's hard to do for a couple guys running a small website. Chill out.

#106 Edited by Marokai (3145 posts) -

@bisonhero: I'm not trying to make this a gross numbers game, I'm merely pointing out that things are different; there are differences. You can certainly argue that things being different doesn't make things inferior, but a lot of people enjoy certain kinds of QLs and certain QL pairings over the other, and I just dislike it when all comments are dismissed as "well, things are the same as they've always been, stop complaining."

All I'm trying to say is, let's be fair to those comments by at least acknowledging that Quick Looks now are a little different from the Quick Looks of then, and certain staff members participate more than others. When people complain about how things "feel" different to them, you can dig into the numbers and the details of the Quick Look appearances and see certain things changing, and that's where that sentiment comes from. Whether or not that's good or not, whether or not that's an unfair expectation, I leave that judgment up to other people, but the sentiment that things are different than they used to be is not an invalid one, when you break it down.

#107 Edited by FateOfNever (1855 posts) -

@jasonr86 said:

Also TNT, Unprofessional Fridays, and the Dota show can be seen by anyone, archived and all, on the Giantbomb channel on Twitch.

Unprofessional Fridays aren't free. (edit: speaking from a standard. Some episodes have appeared on the twitch archive, but not all and certainly not the majority.)

And have you ever tried looking for something specific in the twitch archives? It's a nightmare, especially because GB doesn't label most of their stuff or labels it inaccurately.

I'm not complaining about the ratio or anything, just wanted to get those two things out there.

#108 Posted by bonbolapti (1626 posts) -

You guys really bum your expectations for the website when you keep reading into stuff like this.

#109 Edited by JoeyRavn (4983 posts) -

2012 - "There's not enough subscriber content!"

2013 - "There's too much subscriber content!"

Yeah, pretty much this. If you guys think that the Premium content is that important, then pay for it.

#110 Posted by Excast (1040 posts) -

As a non subscriber I think the amount of content I have access to is just fine. I am a little worried about the near future after Patrick leaves, but I guess we'll have to wait and see.

#111 Edited by hustlerlt (335 posts) -

To those that bitch and moan about subscriber videos, how about you just buy it for a month and watch everything you wanted, maybe download them, then unsubscribe again? How much does it cost, 5 bucks? Also, how many quick looks do you expect, when there are barely any games coming out? And finally, which videos, that used to be released for free, are only available to subscribers now? QL's are still free, bombcast is still free, the ER's are still free, TNT is free live and on twitch, daily DOTA, unprofessional Fridays as well. So what do subscribers get, that a simple user doesn't? An occasional spookin with scoops, Q&A video, some random old PC game video, a few very rare subscriber podcasts and the ability to download the videos.

#112 Posted by TheLegendOfMart (258 posts) -

Why are people whining about not enough free content, we have hit the summer drought, what do you want them to do pull games out of thin air?

#113 Edited by Petiew (1361 posts) -

I don't see it as a problem. I didn't renew my subscription about a year and a half ago because there was so little premium content that it wasn't worth it. They actually need decent content as an incentive rather than just hoping everyone wants to use the premium membership as a donation.

#114 Edited by Hunter5024 (5963 posts) -

I do think they need to put out a little more free content. When there are no new releases there isn't a lot that comes out. I hope they fix this in the form of more regular Bombasticas.

#115 Edited by Lazyaza (2212 posts) -

Subscribe or don't complain about content. Those are peoples options imo. GB need a tonne of money to do what they do and continue expanding what they do. If you don't want to pay for arguably the best game-related content online then you don't really have a right to complain about its consistency lacking. Especially with how insanely cheap said subsciptions are.

I've renewed mine 3 times now and every year its the best god damn 60 bucks I've spent all year. A third of a years GB content alone exceeds that value imo, I feel like I'm getting a crazy bargain every time.

#116 Posted by EuanDewar (5098 posts) -

People really have a problem with people having a problem with things huh

#117 Edited by Benny (1955 posts) -

Just in case you don't know, premium stuff is anything not related to current video games or new releases.

Non subscriber stuff is quick looks, TNTs, console announcements, podcasts, and then stuff that is pretty much barely related to current new games and consoles is premium.

So hopefully it makes sense that there isn't much non subscriber stuff at the minute during the most empty release period in the year.

#118 Edited by Jonny_Anonymous (1175 posts) -

The only thing I wan't to watch is Spookin with Scopps and I can't

#119 Edited by Commander_Crichton (157 posts) -

What are you duders talking about?! Aren't all videos free? I've been watching this so called "premium" content for some time now without having paid a cent.

I'm joking by the way, just thought I should say that in case it wasn't obvious enough.

#120 Edited by Azteck (7449 posts) -

I find it hilarious how goddamn defensive subscribers are getting for no reason.

#121 Edited by MachoFantastico (4889 posts) -

Right now I think they're providing some of the best premium content they ever have, but I get where some folks are coming from. That said, I don't watch TV so paying for premium membership is totally worth it for me, as GB makes up a vast majority of my entertainment. The only one I think should be available to all is the return of Matt and Alex's movie podcast, there to good to be hidden behind premium in my opinion. Plus not having them on iTunes could be troublesome.

It's a fine balance I guess, but if you're an avid GB user than membership is easy to recommend.

#122 Posted by Abendlaender (2888 posts) -

I don't know why but I freaking looooooove that statistics like "Well, Ryan's involvement in QL has decreased 53% over the last three months. This can be attributed to the relocating to a new office, the weak Yen in Japan and a slow year in the industry overall, furthermore it should be noted that compared to the Quarter One 2012 we can actually see..." exist.

#123 Posted by alternate (2720 posts) -

The main free content has always been Quick Looks, bombcast and TNT (live).

Because the new releases are in a slow period there have been less quick looks. However you can watch the Daily Dota live for free (twitch for archives) and even if you are not in to that you could argue that the daily free content in hours is a high as ever.

#124 Edited by alternate (2720 posts) -

@fateofnever said:

@jasonr86 said:

And have you ever tried looking for something specific in the twitch archives? It's a nightmare, especially because GB doesn't label most of their stuff or labels it inaccurately.

The trick is to look up the date and time of the video on GB and then sort the twitch archives by date (sometimes you have to convert a date in to XX months ago) and then ignore the titles.

#125 Edited by charlie_victor_bravo (1042 posts) -

I think they should do Kickstarter or something else that does not split the community that much. I think that it would be rather hard to get new users if most of the stuff is behind the pay wall. I fear that if they come up with brilliant new idea (akin to the ER or TANG), it will be missed by the majority.

#126 Edited by Mustachio (243 posts) -

I'm going to try and not pick a side here, but rather note that as Patrick's leaving date approaches I feel like I've seen these types of threads more often, which sounds to me like there's a growing concern in corners of the community that the content output at Giant Bomb is going to be below-par, or already is. It seems like the best thing they could do right now is for a member of staff (especially if it was someone who oversees a large part of the video content such as @vinny or @drewbert) to just lay down what they currently do and don't have time to do, even if the response is just "guys we're making everything we have time for". Otherwise it seems like these concerns are going to get more common as time goes on.

#127 Posted by MattyFTM (14432 posts) -

If you compare the amount of free content in recent weeks to the same week in previous years, I'd bet that there hasn't been a significant reduction.

Free content has for a long time revolved around Quick Looks of recent releases. And if you check your release calendar, nothing is coming out at the moment. During the summer months there is nearly always a thread along the lines of "why isn't there any content on the site?" It's because there are no games coming out.

Once we hit the busy release season there will be more quick looks than you can shake a stick at, and there will probably be a reduction in premium content as a result of the staff spending their time on quick looks and reviews of the new games. And then we'll get the inevitable "why is there no premium content?" Threads.

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#128 Posted by BeachThunder (12410 posts) -

Giant Bomb's FTP model is soooo pay to win

pay to win, more like pay to Vin.

#129 Posted by JasonR86 (9726 posts) -

I like the separation I'm seeing between the subscribers and free users here. How stupid.

#130 Posted by RazielCuts (2987 posts) -
#131 Edited by leebmx (2235 posts) -

Its weird - its almost like the people that pay for content are getting more than those who don't....

#132 Edited by AndrewB (7689 posts) -

@metalgearsunny said:

2012 - "There's not enough subscriber content!"

2013 - "There's too much subscriber content!"

And there's never a middle ground where complaints won't be vocalized because this is the internet.

As a subscriber, the only thing I have to complain about is the *types* of content (I miss the Random PC Game trio of VinDavDrew because even though most of that content has been rolled into Unprofessional Fridays, it's just not the same) and how the way I used to communicate with people was broken with the new site and hence I still feel isolated and use the site a whole lot less (even thought about cancelling my subscription even though technically all of the broken features were always free anyway).

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#133 Posted by TyrellOCP (357 posts) -

@lanechanger said:

Giant Bomb's FTP model is soooo pay to win

pay to win, more like pay to Vin.

Damn you, you magnificent beast.

#134 Edited by Rafaelfc (1458 posts) -

A Fork!

#135 Posted by Spaceyoghurt (162 posts) -

@subjugation said:

I pay a little over $4 a month to get everything. That's a hamburger. Which is a sandwich. I pay a sandwich every month. That's at the full $50 price, even though they have sales on year long memberships.

Guys, a sandwich.

I hate this line of reasoning. The price isn't the issue. It's that this site that used to provide a ton of free content is now putting all of that behind a pay wall.


Ok, so if the price is not the issue, it's the principle of producing content that some members are willing to pay for, and others are not? They haven't really moved any of the free content behind the pay wall. Quick looks and other features are still free, so nothing has really changed for non-subscribers.

#136 Edited by Irvandus (2881 posts) -

A lot of the premium content isn't as premium as it sounds. The Spookin with Scoops and Jar time are as scrapped together as could be (Doesn't mean I don't like them). The Dota 2 stuff is only interesting if you're really into Dota and is also pretty thrown together. The only content that I would say is of the same quality as a quick look or live show is unprofessional Fridays. Oh and Vinny playing Bio-forge.

#137 Posted by Row (38 posts) -

I am not a member yet but I hope that they continue this current trend of increased premium videos continues as it will give me an additional reason to subscribe. I only really discovered GB properly around August so I missed last year's sale but I'm hoping they do another sale this year. How much of the membership goes straight towards GB and how much is back to CBSi to support their other sites? Anyone have an idea? I want to show my support for GB for their content.

#138 Posted by CornBREDX (5990 posts) -

Ya ya.

So it goes. Either there's to much subscriber content, to little, or not enough interesting subscriber content.

To much non subscriber content, to little, or not interesting enough.

I'm sure there will be another of these threads in a week or so.

I'm ready for whatever content Giantbomb gives me and pay to support the site. I don't personally require anything special; just that they keep doing what they do and I'll probably keep watching.

It's been a dry spell recently, so there's not a whole lot of games for them to cover quick look style recently.

#139 Edited by Nals (81 posts) -

No.

The issue is not that the guys are fucking people over, it's that nothing is coming out. It's almost always been QLs/Content = Free, Watch us be dumb goofs = Paid.

Since very few things have been coming out, and almost all the attention is on E3/Consoles, they've had very little time for QLs, so it's been almost all paid content. Come holiday season, we'll be back to "There isn't enough paid content!", because they'll be putting so much work into setting up QLs for all the games that come out.

It's no giant CBS conspiracy, it's just they can't magic up games to look at. Sure, I think they've skipped a few, Incredible Adventures of Van Helsing came out on the PC, and is getting compared favorably against stuff like D3/Torchlight 2 and they haven't done a QL of it yet, but it's not like the well is so dry they need to resort to stuff like that yet.

#140 Edited by Nardak (580 posts) -

In the end Giant Bomb has to make some kind of a profit in order to go on. The premium subscription that I pay for translates to about 4 dollars a month.

Jeffs jar time alone is worth the subscription.

#141 Edited by CustomOtto (496 posts) -

@twolines said:

@metalgearsunny said:

2012 - "There's not enough subscriber content!"

2013 - "There's too much subscriber content!"

Eggzacktly. They're a small team, so if they make more premium stuff, they will do less of the free stuff. You can't have it both ways people! I suppose there is a solution here, something in the middle that makes everyone happy (nah, people will always be grumpy on the internet), but it's hard to do for a couple guys running a small website. Chill out.

It's so weird how people keep treating entire communities like single entities. Obviously those two ideas aren't coming from the same people. Why is everyone pretending otherwise?

#142 Posted by 2HeadedNinja (1769 posts) -

@subjugation said:

I pay a little over $4 a month to get everything. That's a hamburger. Which is a sandwich. I pay a sandwich every month. That's at the full $50 price, even though they have sales on year long memberships.

Guys, a sandwich.

I hate this line of reasoning. The price isn't the issue. It's that this site that used to provide a ton of free content is now putting all of that behind a pay wall.

Tell us ... what exactly was free and is now behind a paywall? I'm really interested to hear that.

#143 Posted by spraynardtatum (3683 posts) -

I can see where you're coming from. There's a lot of really good premium content on this site. I'm usually pretty turned off by subscription based stuff but this site is so good at offering soo much content that I had to join.

Since then I haven't even looked at what was premium and what was free as I pretty much watch everything. I remember wanting to watch certain videos and being annoyed when I couldn't though before I became a subscriber.

I feel like right now there's more premium stuff because there aren't many games to do quicklooks on. When the gaming season starts up again I'm sure there will be more content for non subscribers.

#144 Posted by FoolishChaos (447 posts) -

Hasn't the non-premium stuff been about on par with how its always been (since they started the premium model)?

Just because the premium:free ratio is not the same does not mean that they are doing less free content. It just means that they are doing more premium content.

#145 Posted by SilentPredator (146 posts) -

@razielcuts: Thank you. The people that keep saying there are no games to play, can practically pick a Mailbag at random to see someone sending them a box full of games. Didn't Ryan buy like 200 SNES games from Japan a couple months ago? So the whole "no games" argument is kind of bullshit.

#146 Posted by mordukai (7185 posts) -

They're a small independent start-up, they need your money to survive.

I believe Jeff already said that most of the income comes from ads and not from subs.

#147 Edited by FoolishChaos (447 posts) -

Facts! (just browsing through the features/ql/events area of the video archives)

2013 May:

22 QL/Encyclopedia Bombastica (and there is at least 1 more QL to come this month)

features: 10 free, 3 premium (2 of those are dota), +1 free "event"

2012 May:

26 QL

features: 11 free +1 free "event"

That is pretty close. On top of that, the dump truck is an awesome new feature that is also free.

#148 Posted by The_Ruiner (1139 posts) -

Can't charge people without justifying it with premium content. It's it's quite frankly very cheap for some great stuff. I mean the truth is if they don't have subscribers they might not exist...

#149 Edited by Iodine (550 posts) -

I pay a little over $4 a month to get everything. That's a hamburger. Which is a sandwich. I pay a sandwich every month. That's at the full $50 price, even though they have sales on year long memberships.

Guys, a sandwich.

This is the funniest thing I have seen today, thank you sir

#150 Posted by Diablos1125 (181 posts) -

There is enough content of both sides, stfu already.