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#1 Posted by Demoskinos (14822 posts) -

No funny business or altered pictures here. This is a direct screen cap. If for whatever reason your account gets banned all those PHYSICAL discs you bought? Useless.

#2 Edited by The_Laughing_Man (13629 posts) -

@demoskinos said:

No funny business or altered pictures here. This is a direct screen cap. If for whatever reason your account gets banned all those PHYSICAL discs you bought? Useless.

Do not do stuff to get you banned? Seems a bit extreme but I am sure there is a work around or something.

#3 Edited by zombie2011 (4972 posts) -

The MS guys said yesterday that MS support doesn't know any of this stuff for the Xbox One, they only know how to support the 360.

#4 Posted by TyCobb (1971 posts) -

Well, there's no reason for your account to get banned unless you're doing shit you shouldn't. If it's mistakenly banned I would assume it will get rectified and licenses restored. However, we all know what happens when you "assume".

#5 Edited by Demoskinos (14822 posts) -

@the_laughing_man: That isn't the point here. I can get banning you from the service of being online but locking out out of the games you own and paid good money for as well is fucked up. I'm all for banning the idiots off of live but even if you do get banned you should still be able to access the games you paid for.

#6 Posted by Nekroskop (2786 posts) -

AHAHAHAHA! This is EXACTLY the same problem as with Origin. They're so fucked.

#7 Edited by Demoskinos (14822 posts) -

@zombie2011: Right, but seeing as you have to register and licence every XBone game with Microsoft side servers the logic on this one isn't a very far leap.

#8 Edited by The_Laughing_Man (13629 posts) -

The MS guys said yesterday that MS support doesn't know any of this stuff for the Xbox One, they only know how to support the 360.

@the_laughing_man: That isn't the point here. I can get banning you from the service of being online but locking out out of the games you own and paid good money for as well is fucked up. I'm all for banning the idiots off of live but even if you do get banned you should still be able to access the games you paid for.

I also wanna ad Zombie is right. The MS guys do not know anything abut X1. They have even told me that a few times.

#9 Posted by Zeik (2416 posts) -

@tycobb: There have been enough cases of unwarranted bannings that it is a bit of a concern.

#10 Posted by zombie2011 (4972 posts) -

@zombie2011: Right, but seeing as you have to register and licence every XBone game with Microsoft side servers the logic on this one isn't a very far leap.

Why don't you stop jumping to conclusions about stuff you know nothing about? We get it the internet hates MS, they suck and PS4 is awesome.

#11 Posted by The_Laughing_Man (13629 posts) -
#12 Edited by TyCobb (1971 posts) -

@the_laughing_man: Holy crap. It's like Skynet is real. Who the fuck is manning a corporate twitter account at 9:30PM on a Friday? Wait. . . I am at home drinking by myself. Shit, never mind.

#13 Posted by Demoskinos (14822 posts) -

@demoskinos said:

@zombie2011: Right, but seeing as you have to register and licence every XBone game with Microsoft side servers the logic on this one isn't a very far leap.

Why don't you stop jumping to conclusions about stuff you know nothing about? We get it the internet hates MS, they suck and PS4 is awesome.

The fuck are you flipping out about? Settle down.

#14 Posted by TruthTellah (9000 posts) -

@demoskinos: Isn't this how it already is? Bans on XBL, PSN, Origin, and formerly Steam(changed last year) bar you from your games.

It would be nice if both Microsoft and Sony took a page from Steam's change to allowing access to your single player games following a ban.

#15 Posted by The_Laughing_Man (13629 posts) -

No funny business or altered pictures here. This is a direct screen cap. If for whatever reason your account gets banned all those PHYSICAL discs you bought? Useless.

I wanna say that for the current Xboxlive. Not the disks.

#16 Posted by brownsfantb (393 posts) -

I wouldn't be reading too much into what Support has to say about the XBONE. They would be some of the last people getting briefed on how that system is going to work because it doesn't apply to their job for another 5 months.

Also, it's probably not the same person running that Twitter at all times.

#17 Edited by BIGJEFFREY (5013 posts) -

@xboxsupport The official spoke people for the unreleased Xbox One.

#18 Edited by Shivoa (625 posts) -

This is mostly the same as Origin, Steam, iTunes, et al.

Digital licenses mean you have to see what stuff you can squirrel away and use without connecting. The above services I mentioned have some media where, as long as you had a copy already before you got banned, the ban doesn't matter. Of course there is the revocation of access to something that you may never have downloaded (court cases where people have even tried to argue the case that the ability to download your copy was the completion of the contract of sale, as the TOS state for all the above services, and so later blocking access does not make for a nullified sale: none) and in cases of some of the media there is a continued need to access an auth server to access the downloaded media (Origin and Steam DRM, possibly iTunes media outside of the now DRM free mp3s?)

Because 100% of Xbox One requires these regular checks then it does seem likely that a ban will revoke your access to all your games and that includes discs. Origin has certainly had cases of this, so has Steam, and they sometimes get a bit of press. The real question is how good is the support team and what are the policies for getting a ban reversed.

To avoid such questions of ownership and paying money for nothing (also see online games, F2P and what happens when the servers go off and your credits or services paid for in perpetuity vanish with no refund) then disc games on the PS4 or purchasing content with known breakable* DRM is the answer. Another approach would be services that offer a DRM free experience (eg iTunes mp3s, GOG.com) but remember to back-up your content after purchase just in case you lose the ability to download them in the future for some reason.

* Breaking DRM on the copy of media which you have purchased may be an illegal act, depending where you live.

#19 Posted by Demoskinos (14822 posts) -

@demoskinos said:

No funny business or altered pictures here. This is a direct screen cap. If for whatever reason your account gets banned all those PHYSICAL discs you bought? Useless.

I wanna say that for the current Xboxlive. Not the disks.

The difference between the disc and the digital copy is null and void on XBone since you have to register the game anyways. The single and ONLY difference is the delivery method. All games are installed to the hard drive and all games ping Microsoft servers. If you are locked out of going online and you can't ping the server then what good is the disc? Its not like you can just make a spare account either since again discs are tied to accounts.

I'm not making some huge conspiratorial jump in logic here. The facts are facts all XBone games ping MS servers and have to be online within 24 hours to keep working.

#20 Posted by YukoAsho (2041 posts) -

@zeik said:

@tycobb: There have been enough cases of unwarranted bannings that it is a bit of a concern.

Not even that. To lose your games because you cursed someone out? Wow... This is Origin, but worse!

#21 Posted by DrDarkStryfe (1115 posts) -

Someone had got to reign in that Twitter account. The amount of trouble they have caused with their lack of information is astounding. We are at a point where somebody at Microsoft has to be fired for how bad they fumbled the message.

#22 Posted by Jayzilla (2561 posts) -

i thought our group of duders was above trolly console wars. at least we used to be back in the day. i guess i was wrong. sad day.

#23 Posted by tourgen (4493 posts) -

yeah, well, if they get to retain control of the product after the sale is made you should be expecting abuses like this.

#24 Edited by Clonedzero (4200 posts) -

I can't imagine that's true, if it is, well thats massively FUCKED.

I own a 360 and been a Live customer for over 5 years now. I let other people play on my account all the time, I'm sure tons of other people let others play on their accounts as well. I'm not going to force my brother to sign out of my account cus he wants to play a few matches of call of duty while im out picking up supplies for a BBQ or something, thats insane. But the idea that something someone else did on my account could make me lose access to all my games is crazy.

Sure you can say "oh if you're worried about it, don't let other people play on your account ever". Well its a god damn video game console. It's supposed to be FUN. I shouldnt have to worry about ridiculous stuff like that.

Though, If you could actually get banned for cussing someone out or even racial slurs half of XBL would be banned. So i dunno. Still a horrible policy if its accurate. Like i have something like 150 bucks worth of games tied to my XBL account as it is with arcade games and a couple games on demand (they were on sale).

It's just another reason to go to Sony. I mean I don't want to be "that guy" but i've been a happy and loyal 360 owner for over half a decade, everything i've heard about microsoft and the XboxOne has me concerned. Everything about the PS4 looks great.

This sorta policy is not unbelievable and its not even unprecedented, EA does the same thing. So i dont think it's trolly console war BS, i think its actually people trying to find stuff out. Though I still question how accurate the Support twitter is.

#25 Edited by SomeDeliCook (2341 posts) -

So in other words Call of Duty will be a pretty clean community within a week

#26 Edited by ToTheNines (721 posts) -

Still you'd think you own the right to play your own games that you bought? Seems a bit extreme.

#27 Edited by Reisz (1491 posts) -

Good, the amount of garbage I have seen and heard on Xbox live that just gets a pass means you must be doing something really irredeemable to get banned, if that's the case some actual consequences sound like the right answer.

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