Digital Boobs: An essay on sexuality in games

Topic started by Atlas on July 4, 2009. Last post by AzureSupernova 4 months, 3 weeks ago.
Post by Wolverine (3,350 posts) See mini bio
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@Atlas said:
" @Wolverine: Well said, sir. I couldn't agree more. Obviously I and other people are analysing depth in video games that you do not care for. And that's a good thing. Interesting though to think of the possibility of a female character being a "better fighter" because of her breasts. Maybe she would have the distraction advantage against men... "
Haha, maybe. Women also have the same sort of sexual media that directly appeals to them also. Movies such as Twilight are popular because women think that the main character is attractive. Also has anyone ever made you watch a chick flick? They are torture for me to watch but many of them play out what a great deal of women's fantasies are. I'm perfectly fine with a film or video game only targeting one sex.


Post by Vinchenzo (3,872 posts) See mini bio
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@Fr0Br0 said:
" @Vinchenzo said:
" I'm a fan of Asian boobs. So I guess... flat-chested is the final frontier for me. "
At least your on the right road to admitting you like 12 year old boys... "
...yea no. I find it pretty disgusting when people say shit like that.


Post by Atlas (722 posts) See mini bio
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@Wolverine: Yeah, but the difference is "female pornography" is much more subtle. It's more "aww look at the cute sparkling vampire who loves that girl", not "wow, that dude's got a killer six pack and a nice dick".

Chick flicks I've seen? Well I think I've seen the least chicky of chick flicks, stuff like Miss Congeaniality and Legally Blonde. Miss Congeneality was alright, Legally Blonde was terrible. Oh yeah and I saw Bring It On once. That was pretty awful as well.


Post by Wolverine (3,350 posts) See mini bio
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@Atlas: What you need to do is rent The Notebook and see if you can withstand two hours of torture and than right an essay about it! xD


Post by Atlas (722 posts) See mini bio
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@Wolverine: Send me $100 and a copy of the DVD and you've got a deal.

Otherwise, I have no intention of going out of my way to watch terrible chick flicks. Especially when I've got an unopened copy of Persona 4 sitting on my desk at home.


Post by Wolverine (3,350 posts) See mini bio
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@Atlas: Hahahaha, I think I'll pass. I wouldn't want to subject a fellow Giant Bomber to such torture. lol


Post by ahoodedfigure (758 posts) See mini bio

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Actually, the more you work out, the more you get rid of fat, so your boobs are likely to be smaller if you're muscular.  I don't know if that's the point you want to be making, as it's sort of reversed.  They're not there because they're realistic, they're there for the reason you sometimes seem to be making with your post, that they're there for sex appeal with the set that likes them, or thinks that they like them, that size.

You're right, though, that body expectations aren't limited to female characters.  I'd argue that there tends to be greater variation for males, though, whether stereotypical, goofy, dumb, muscular, or whatever, there seems to be a greater emphasis on character difference, with the fearful default being muscular, with fat guys being comic relief, skinny guys often transcending gender barriers, that sort of thing.  Aren't too many muscular women in games, and you notice that there was an outcry in games such as World of Warcraft when the female characters were deemed "too ugly".

Your thesis in general is a little unclear, perhaps because of the way you list examples for ancillary points and feel sometimes like you're trying to hit several targets at once.  It could probably be tighter, in other words.

It might serve your interest to look up the history of comic book censorship in America.  That was a young medium like film, but its development and perception was largely dictated by its accessibility and its writers' and artists' willingness to address certain subject matter which caused reactionary elements to clamp down harder than they ever did with films.  This may have been due to the perception of comic books as being a child's medium, despite there being adult titles before the censors moved in.  Games, too, are considered to be a child's medium by many, despite examples to the contrary.

Even films, now considered by a lot of people to be among literature and other artistic expression, are often regarded as "just entertainment," often sapping whatever potential they have to move people on a deeper level than forgettable excitement or sensuality.  I think you actually undersell the value of entertainment in culture, here.



Post by animegreen (63 posts) See mini bio

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An essay should be controversial.. This seems more like a block of text.. But I just scanned through it since It was really boring. You weren't making an argument about anything you were just stating facts, and your facts didn't have any sources cited.

So four  things to work on - make it controversial or don't call it an essay, make it less boring,  present an argument, and cite some sources.

p.s. google pathos, logos , ethos.


Post by Atlas (722 posts) See mini bio
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@animegreen: Don't you think that maybe you're getting a little caught up in one single word in the title? I didn't set out to be controversial, and if that doesn't constitute an essay in your eyes, that's fine I guess. Your other criticisms are fairer, and other people commented on the essay being a little unfocused, so I've got some stuff to work on.

Pretty pleased that the essay has resulted in healthy discussion, positive feedback and constructive criticism. This encourages me to write more essays in the future.


Post by AzureSupernova (164 posts) See mini bio

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Of course, sexual themes will always remain in games, whether they're blatant and in your face or very subtle. And indeed, Japan is a very sexually orientated country and it's clear from the extensive detail they put into their character models, that developers do go out of their way to ensure that their characters are all clearly labelled. Everyone will have an opinion, but the point is that exactly. Everyone has different views of what is acceptable within a game, for instance the heavy scrutiny that RapeLay has been put under, whilst certainly not by any means acceptable in Western culture, clearly there is less of an issue in Japan with games of the like, take other adult games such as Bible Black, heavily featuring questionable acts. Comparing what is acceptable in Japan (games that do feature heavy sexual content), what is declared acceptable in the Western world is very mild.
 Does anyone recall the Hot Coffee fiasco with San Andreas?

And yes, both males and females featured in Anime, Manga, and Japanese titles, if paid attention to none of them are actually deemed "unattractive". They are all given beauty in their own way, all very ideal and desireable, perhaps purposely?