Game developer states PS3 is NOT more powerful than 360.

Topic started by oldschool on May 11, 2009. Last post by thiago 6 months, 1 week ago.
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who cares?


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For the hundredth fucking time. FLOPS aren't important. A PS3 has more FLOPS than my PC, but my PC is like 8 times more powerful. FLOPS are only important for playing movies at high resolutions.

OH WAIT.


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wow you had to post this didn't you. take it to gamespot and GTFO


everyone and their fat aunt knows that PS3 exclusives are superior in terms of technical prowess over 360 exclusives. Example: Killzone 2 is generally considered the most technically advanced game ever made.  And before that, it was MGS4. 

I love both systems, but I see no reason in denying the fact that PS3 is clearly more powerful...it has 8 fucking cores people. EIGHT! lol



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TwoOneFive said:
"wow you had to post this didn't you. take it to gamespot and GTFO


everyone and their fat aunt knows that PS3 exclusives are superior in terms of technical prowess over 360 exclusives. Example: Killzone 2 is generally considered the most technically advanced game ever made.  And before that, it was MGS4. 

I love both systems, but I see no reason in denying the fact that PS3 is clearly more powerful...it has 8 fucking cores people. EIGHT! lol

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let me help... *clears throat*   EIGHHHTTT !


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"Sony has all of these people duped by impressive marketing spin... ports to the PS3 will never be as good as their 360 counter parts, and ...most PS3 exclusives will likely continue to suck," he says."
Those ellipses mean they didn't use the complete quote.
I find it hard to believe he said that last bit.  If he actually did, he's an idiot.  Just because a system isn't the most powerful one, doesn't mean its games suck.  Especially if those games are exclusives tailor made for the system.


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TwoOneFive said:
"wow you had to post this didn't you. take it to gamespot and GTFO


everyone and their fat aunt knows that PS3 exclusives are superior in terms of technical prowess over 360 exclusives. Example: Killzone 2 is generally considered the most technically advanced game ever made.  And before that, it was MGS4. 

I love both systems, but I see no reason in denying the fact that PS3 is clearly more powerful...it has 8 fucking cores people. EIGHT! lol

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Generally considered the most technically advanced game ever made? I thought Crysis was considered the most technically advanced game ever made. Killzone just doesnt look that good to me


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It amazes me how much people care about this stupid shit. I have my PS3 for the games and the reliability, I could not care less whether which system was more powerful, though the evidence so far for me leans toward the PS3. System wars are stupid, we are gamers, not soldiers for platforms.


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SathingtonWaltz said:
System wars are stupid, we are gamers, not soldiers for platforms. "
  There are already individuals involved in this thread that see themselves as defenders of Sony's honor...and honestly, they belong over at Sony Defense Force or some such site. It's ridiculous.


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MB said:
"SathingtonWaltz said:
System wars are stupid, we are gamers, not soldiers for platforms. "
  There are already individuals involved in this thread that see themselves as defenders of Sony's honor...and honestly, they belong over at Sony Defense Force or some such site. It's ridiculous."
Agreed. I mean yeah, I guess I lean toward Sony's machine, but I don't fight for the damn thing. I realize that there are flaws on both platforms, I just don't understand where people feel the need to fight for the damn machine as if it's an integral and important aspect of their lives.


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MB said:
"SathingtonWaltz said:
System wars are stupid, we are gamers, not soldiers for platforms. "
  There are already individuals involved in this thread that see themselves as defenders of Sony's honor...and honestly, they belong over at Sony Defense Force or some such site. It's ridiculous."
*cough* thiago *cough*
The playstation 2 is one of the greatest gaming platforms ever made. Every step Sony has made since then has been a misstep. That includes the Playstation 3, which cost too much and apparantly wasnt as powerful as its main competitor, which came out a year earlier. 


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I dunno. I think both the PS3 and the Xbox 360 have their pluses and minuses, with each being slightly stronger at doing certain things than the other. I'm an owner of every console, but I really believe that the Sony fanboys are still buying into the marketing hype from three years ago that the PS3 is a "supercomputer" or some such nonsense.

If it's that much better...why are the games practically identical? Get over it already, people.


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AgentJ said:
"MB said:
"SathingtonWaltz said:
System wars are stupid, we are gamers, not soldiers for platforms. "
  There are already individuals involved in this thread that see themselves as defenders of Sony's honor...and honestly, they belong over at Sony Defense Force or some such site. It's ridiculous."
*cough* thiago *cough*
The playstation 2 is one of the greatest gaming platforms ever made. Every step Sony has made since then has been a misstep. That includes the Playstation 3, which cost too much and apparantly wasnt as powerful as its main competitor, which came out a year earlier. 
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Sure I agree that Sony has not played it's cards well with their platform, but the argument proposed in this thread, that the Xbox 360 is more powerful than the PS3, seems somewhat invalid, because the actual evidence is not in it's favor. I haven't really seen anything on the Xbox yet that impressed me more than games like MGS4 and Uncharted. Though maybe I'm not raising a good argument as well, because perhaps using first party games isn't really a good example... not sure, and I don't care enough to think about it anymore. Also, I really don't see the point in arguing over the power over each machine. I got my PS3 for it's games.


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PercyChuggs said:
"I own both, so who cares. Only moron fanboys."

This...


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AgentJ said:
"redgauss said:
"AgentJ said:
"Frankly, I think Sony is in trouble"
They won the home video format war with blu-ray and one could argue that that was their goal all along. Whether or not they "win" this console generation doesn't matter much in their long run view of the entertainment market. Once they are receiving royalties from every movie, tv box set, game etc... their worries will be long gone.   "
But it's not clear yet that anyone actually WANTS to move to a new format. And even if they do, it could be 10 years before such a shift really takes place. so far signs have shown that the market as a whole isnt ready for Blu-Ray
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Plus, the average consumer doesn't appreciate the fine differences between blu-ray and DVD. For there to be a full format shift (in my opinion) it has to be more than just an upgrade from one disc to another. While I know the difference and can see the difference, many don't really care. Especially since many don't even have an HDTV yet.

Whether or not that is digital distribution or some whole to format we don't even know exists yet I don't know. But the switch from VHS to DVD was so huge, even in physical size. Its not the same going to Blu-Ray. Plus an upconverted DVD used with a good upconverting DVD player and a nice HDTV can look REALLY good. No, not Blu-Ray quality as its not native 1080p but awfully close. Average consumers aren't going to care about that.


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Nothing against PS3 owners, but you guys get way too defensive when someone questions the power of your favorite console.  And this guy is a developer, I'm assuming, so I think I'd take his word for it.  I can understand ignoring anyone who claims, or appears, to be a "fanboy" of any kind, but I think this guy has a litte more credibility.  And yea, it's no secret that blu-rays read more slowly than standard DVDs.  I do like games, but not so much that I want load times in my movies as well.


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The thread title is a vomited survivor just like in Left4Dead. Here come the horde...

Too much L4D lol..But yea its isolated system wars in here, kind of fun if we keep within terms. Wonder if people are flagging in here? Wonder how many looked for the plus/minus lol.


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The part where he says that Blu-ray is slower than DVD is factually correct.

But one has to look at more than one component when talking about that... Even the most awful PS3 version out there has a harddisk. This is guaranteed... The 360 doesn't offer that.

So multiplat titles have to take advantage and be aware of the disadvantages of the different systems. The 360 has less optical disk capacity but optional harddisk space for caching, and the PS3 has more optical disk capacity and less throughput, but guaranteed harddisk space.

Another point that I would agree with is that the 360 seems to be the easier platform to develop for because it resembles a PC more. And furthermore, the PS3 doesn't have eight cores. It uses SPU's that are not general purpose CPU-cores that you can find in PCs.

I don't know what to take from his "PS3 is not selling" argument though. Worldwide the PS3 might be last this generation, but I doubt EA, Capcom and Activision are going to stop making games for it. Seems unlikely to make that choice now, after they've had so many projects on both platforms.



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tekmojo said:
"Guitar Hero and Rock Band...."



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JJOR64 said:
"Ok, so this means the MGS 4 could work on Xbox 360."
With the state of mgs4 yes it could be done on 360, Of course porting it over would be an option but doing extra work would be all the better, the only problem is bluray and dvd, but with mgs4 only taking up 32 gigs of a blu ray dual layer disc and about 10 gigs plus of that being uncompressed 7.1 PCM, We have no idea what compression techniques sony used on files for the game, and the we know the uncompressed pcm takes up alot, it likely could fit on 1-2 discs.

TwoOneFive said:
"wow you had to post this didn't you. take it to gamespot and GTFO


everyone and their fat aunt knows that PS3 exclusives are superior in terms of technical prowess over 360 exclusives. Example: Killzone 2 is generally considered the most technically advanced game ever made.  And before that, it was MGS4
I love both systems, but I see no reason in denying the fact that PS3 is clearly more powerful...it has 8 fucking cores people. EIGHT! lol

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Says who? I don't know of any one that generally accepts kz2 as the most technically advanced game ever made specially since in my playtime with it during its cutscenes to gameplay its all most as if the graphics get notched down with the cutscenes looking better, having better animation...ect then the actual gameplay as for that MGS4 is not technically more advanced then gears of war 2 as for that you don't even know your terms of technical specs, the CELL does not have 8 cores, it has 1 core, and 7 spe's with one 1 spe being dedicated solely to XMB effectively 6 spes available for games and the main core.  A 8 core cpu would have made the ps3 1000-1500 dollars atleast upon release.


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I agree, I meant I belive the ps3's gpu only has 256mb video memory to work with and a serperate 256mb XDR ram which it doesn't use for textures. I think there is alot of bottlenecking and the lack of memory affects the textures for ps3 multiplatform games. Blue ray is at 2X is slower than the xbox360's dvd drive. So it means for loading, it needs to use installations to stream from the hardrive instead of the blue ray disc. Also even if ppl thinks that blue ray is bigger, dvd games are compressed so it's similar.


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OMGS TOLD J00 SOO LOLZ TEH HAL0z AND GEarz CHAINSAWZZZ SONY IZ FINISHHE!!!D

Seriously guys chill the fuck out - half of that statement doesnt even make sense, probably just some dude bored on his tea break looking for 15 minutes of fame

 ports to the PS3 will never be as good as their 360 counter parts, and ...most PS3 exclusives will likely continue to suck," he says.

I doubt any developer owuld be as unproffesional as to say something this  daft tbh - it would be damaging towards sales for that company, and sure, 360 ports dont work as well, but ps3 ports to 360, mirrors edge, burnout, or anytrhing else where ps3 was lead developed - also has scored significantly higher than its counterpart.

Does this mean the 360 sucks and is less powerful?
No
Whichever you put the most work into will have the better game - simple, so yes it is the developers fault -fallout 3 proved this - and as for the 360 -ps3 port, oblivion says hi too!

And im not even going to touch the exclusive games suck, thats just far too easy tbh.

As far as - 'who says the least powerful consoles games suck" before you read this thread and its solid facts that convinved you the ps3 was weak - before that when you thought the ps3 was an almighty monolith of power!!!! did you think 360 games sucked?? hell no - so whats the big deal? nothing.

End of the day while he may factually be correct on some of the technical aspects, i think this dude is just blowing out his ass - and i really cant see anything productive coming out of this thread 


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MB said:
"I dunno. I think both the PS3 and the Xbox 360 have their pluses and minuses, with each being slightly stronger at doing certain things than the other. I'm an owner of every console, but I really believe that the Sony fanboys are still buying into the marketing hype from three years ago that the PS3 is a "supercomputer" or some such nonsense.If it's that much better...why are the games practically identical? Get over it already, people."

Fact 


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The PS3 is a lot harder to work on than the 360, but it does have better results if you work harder. Even if this was just a "marketing spin" the Blu Ray disc has 6 times the amount of storage of a normal DVD. Also, what does a developer who worked on Rock Band and Guitar Hero (and now iPhone games) know about using the power of a system? And why does he even care? This is a pretty dumb article, but it's also a pretty dumb "developer" who just likes throwing flame on Sony. Seeing as his name was used many times, I have a feeling that he will be out of work for such a dumb flame-stunt. 

Even if all of this was true, how is he helping anyone by sharing it? He's just telling Sony "YOU SUCK AND I DON'T WANT TO WORK WITH YOU, ALL OF YOUR EXCLUSIVES STILL SUCK". Dumb guy. Does anyone have a link to the actual blog post because the article itself was fairly slanderous.


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thiago said:
"Not trying to do some cheap attack on the guy, but is Guitar Hero and Rock Band that much resource intensive? Maybe those games are so complex that the PS3 is not enough? :)"
My thoughts exactly.


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i can end this argument   ( . Y . )'s > 360 and PS3.


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AgentJ said:
"AndrewGaspar said:
"Frankly, Gran Turismo 5 and Killzone 2 say he's wrong."
Am I the only one Killzone 2s graphics haven't impressed? 
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Played it myself (I usually agree that both systems are rather equal, but I've gone out of my way to spend some time playing some Ps3 games) and no you're not the only one. Especially with the lighting and color schemes.


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Developers have been saying that PS3 is a bitch to develope for, for years now. And whit the points Jason makes about shaders and pixel pushing power makes complete sence if you look at Fallout since those two things are worse on the PS3 version. 

And facing the facts is that the 360 versions of third party games are 99% of the time better or the same as the PS3 version, only one i can think of thats better on the PS3 is Burnout Paradice.

randiolo said:
"who is this guy? he could make coffees at ubisoft for all i know. MGS4 couldnt work on the 360, becoz if it could.. it would.. but kojima said it wasnt possible. This thread is just an elaborate flame.."

Well what you could do is check up on him and see if he has been a developer on the GH and RB games, its pretty easy since all the games have credits, theres no need to insuld the guy. Also by basing your theory that MGS4 cant work on a 360 just because Kojima said so is kinda stupid since he along whit Peter M. are the biggest bullshitters in the industry.
Also what Kojima has said is that MGS4 wont fit on a 360 DVD-ROM. But when asked about putting it on multiple discs he didn't comment.
Also MGS4 points out that Jason Booths story has some truth to it since even though its a PS3 exclusive it has the most horribly long load times not only at the start of the game but also between levels.

That could prove that PS3 devs do duplicate textures for every level, or not.



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This made my day xD

randiolo
said:
"MGS4 couldnt work on the 360, becoz if it could.. it would.. but kojima said it wasnt possible. This thread is just an elaborate flame.."
That's not how things work you know. We all know MGS4 would most likely work on 360, it would just be multiple disks and a PR guy said they notice a high demand for 360 MGS4 and they are looking into it.



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I find it amusing that they say the 360 is less powerful than PS3 given that the 360 has a higher rate of hardware failures toppled with the fact they only run discs that are less than 10GB and lastly my favourite, 360 requires a vast amount of power to run a game which is displayed by the noise. PS3, however, has no noise and runs games that tops up to 60GB.


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This is a pointless discussion - you look at flower, you look at Killzone 2, you look at Uncharted, you look at Gran Turismo -- and you KNOW the PS3 is more powerful graphically.

Yes, they are all first party games, and yes they look better because they are solely concentrating on the PS3. But that is not the point. The point is that third parties aren't finding it quite as profitable to take the extra time with the PS3. But that doesn't mean the power is not there. We've seen it. Go and play Uncharted and tell me a game that looks better. And that game is from 2007.

The point is, it's expensive and takes more time. But you can't just write it off and say the power's not there. It is, and it's been proved by Sony's internal studios time and time over.

It all depends on the developer. Take Fallout 3 and Burnout Paradise as examples. You work, you get rewards. You slack you don't.

It's the same situation as XBOX and PS2 except reversed.

Whatever. I'm gonna go and play Killzone 2. Let's all be friendly and happy, regardless of the systems we prefer?