Game developer states PS3 is NOT more powerful than 360.

Topic started by oldschool on May 11, 2009. Last post by thiago 6 months, 1 week ago.
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WilliamRLBaker said:
"thiago said:
"WilliamRLBaker said:
"thiago said:
It is slower, but that fact alone means nothing, unless you are a fanboy. Many games have presented different ways of working around that. It means that it is not a problem.Don't try to change the subject. A troll started a flamewar about the PS3 not being powerful enough, while the Cell is more powerful than the 360 CPU and many games have shown it. Just take it like a man and show some sportsmanship. Why every PS3 awesome game or anything related to it automatically receives attacks from fanboys no matter what? This is getting tiresome. PS3 owners wherever they are they need to defend themselves from a mob lynch or justify why they prefer this or that as if it was somehow wrong. It is a fact that Killzone 2 is beautiful, and if you still have doubts just do the experience I talked about."
So its slower...Meaning that it takes longer to load and specially so the large files *since sony fanboys claim uncompressed files are better the compressed* but yeah surfice to say you cannot prove its faster, you cannot prove its not a problem so you simply say it only matters to fanboys and theres ways around it, yes theres ways around it and i specifically mentioned one of them some thing you've yet to do and that doesn't change the fact a lower read speed=lower load speeds and thats a bad thing which is why all ps3 games compensate for this by either having lenghty installs or large cache files making for rather long initial load times and even then on multiplatform games after install or cache the games on average load slower AND if you install them on the 360 load slower by a larger %.


As I said, and you ignored it, this fact alone proves nothing. So what? Clearly it is not a problem because the games on the PS3 are so awesome.
If it was something to do with actual processing power I would understand, but drive speed? You are trying too hard. Now you have gone where no fanboy has gone before.As for MGS4, this is all pointless because you know nothing about it. You are just speculating about it and taking your own conclusions as fact, as any fanboy would do."
and yet again more words, more spin, more no real argument except you trying to say i am circumspect...ect without giving any proof.This fact alone that bluray 2x is slower then DVD 12x proves every thing from the simple facts i have put forth it proves much of every thing.  Nearly all multiplatform game loads quicker on the 360 regardless of cache use on ps3 or install. A problem is something that needs to be fixed and or circumvented you have said your self that the ps3 has ways of working around *circumventing* its slow read speeds therefor slow load times are a problem by your words alone you've admitted this.the funny thing is i realise now that we will never have a proper debate because i am not argueing The awesomeness of games *of which the ps3 has none* i am argueing simple system preformance and power where as your not even argueing that any more, I'm stepping out of my fanboy role and you are not which is why you continuely use simple words that prove no point and boil down to ps3 is awesome, your wrong ps3 games are awesome your wrong. (your wrong parts of the text are thiagos boiled down speech)  The quality of games mean nothing when those games still take longer to load then a 360 equivlient the whole point of this thread was ps3 is not more powerful then 360 weither that is to mean its inferior or equal to the 360 means nothing at this point since the arguement is boiling down to superior areas, the 360 is superior in its read speed and specificially loading times because 360 uses far better and more agreesive compression.  To load it is a proven fact that a compressed file on a faster drive will take less time to read and load then a uncompressed file on a slower drive.P.S: I probably know more about mgs 4 then you do atleast i've given the surface proof to my side of the argument you haven't given a thing all you've given basically amounts to is mgs 4 is awesome. Where as i have given the proof that Kojima claimed 50 gigs wasn't enough yet the game only took in the end after any amount of compression it used 32 gigs if the english uncompressed PCM 7.1 track took up 10 gigs then at 32 gigs on a 50 gig blu ray then 10 gig japanese language track would have been doable.Come back and give some proof, argue something instead of simply attacking me which is your main points * me going off topic or changing the topic when it was liquid prince that brought up load times initially*"
I bet you thiago will respond to you by saying something along the lines of, hardware failures or the PS3 has the greatest games of all time and 360 games suck. But yes, you win against thiago. Although that may not be a hard thing to accomplish...still awesome :D

Also does anybody else find it slightly ironic how PS3 fanboys laugh at people and make fun of people for liking Halo and say its the worst game ever made, yet they orgasm over the thought of Killzone 2? OOOHHHHH GOOD GRAPHIX!!!! MUST BE GODLIKE! (even though MGS4 clearly has better graphics than killzone 2)


By the way, I'm not saying Killzone 2 sucks, I like it, i'm just finding it ironic.


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Post by Valkyr (112 posts) See mini bio

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We are still waiting for a 360 exclusive to match the already old Uncharted 1 for the ps3, I don't know which is more powerful but I know which console has the games with the most beautiful graphics, Gears of War could be impressive, but it uses the ugly Unreal 3 engine. I think this guy is comparing the GPUs and we have always known the 360 ATI GPU is more powerful, but the efficient use of the SPUs for rendering purposes bring us the unmatched graphics of KZ2 and Uncharted, so yes, multiplatform games will always run better or be easier to program on a 360, but exclusives games can heavily use SPUs to gain the extra horse power.


Post by thiago (585 posts) See mini bio

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WilliamRLBaker said:
and yet again more words, more spin, more no real argument except you trying to say i am circumspect...ect without giving any proof.This fact alone that bluray 2x is slower then DVD 12x proves every thing from the simple facts i have put forth it proves much of every thing.  Nearly all multiplatform game loads quicker on the 360 regardless of cache use on ps3 or install. A problem is something that needs to be fixed and or circumvented you have said your self that the ps3 has ways of working around *circumventing* its slow read speeds therefor slow load times are a problem by your words alone you've admitted this.the funny thing is i realise now that we will never have a proper debate because i am not argueing The awesomeness of games *of which the ps3 has none* i am argueing simple system preformance and power where as your not even argueing that any more, I'm stepping out of my fanboy role and you are not which is why you continuely use simple words that prove no point and boil down to ps3 is awesome, your wrong ps3 games are awesome your wrong. (your wrong parts of the text are thiagos boiled down speech)  The quality of games mean nothing when those games still take longer to load then a 360 equivlient the whole point of this thread was ps3 is not more powerful then 360 weither that is to mean its inferior or equal to the 360 means nothing at this point since the arguement is boiling down to superior areas, the 360 is superior in its read speed and specificially loading times because 360 uses far better and more agreesive compression.  To load it is a proven fact that a compressed file on a faster drive will take less time to read and load then a uncompressed file on a slower drive.P.S: I probably know more about mgs 4 then you do atleast i've given the surface proof to my side of the argument you haven't given a thing all you've given basically amounts to is mgs 4 is awesome. Where as i have given the proof that Kojima claimed 50 gigs wasn't enough yet the game only took in the end after any amount of compression it used 32 gigs if the english uncompressed PCM 7.1 track took up 10 gigs then at 32 gigs on a 50 gig blu ray then 10 gig japanese language track would have been doable.Come back and give some proof, argue something instead of simply attacking me which is your main points * me going off topic or changing the topic when it was liquid prince that brought up load times initially*"

You have given no proof whatsoever. You just insist in this stupidity. The drive speed means nothing alone. We could equally say that the Blu-ray can hold more data. So what?

The OP posted a fanboy rant about a nobody who worked on "graphical monsters" such as Guitar Hero and Rock Band, stating that the PS3 is not more powerful. Your post don't actually contain anything related to "power", but instead you change the subject to drive speed as if it was the one thing that makes all the difference. It doesn't.

If the PS3 games actually had loading problems, but they don't. Killzone 2 don't even do installation and it only does loading between areas after a long time of gameplay. So what is your point?

You have no facts. None. Your speculations about what a project you didn't participate in and didn't receive the information from someone who participated in it are just *speculations*, not facts.

Why are you acting all defensive? I didn't attack anyone. I only don't buy this BS you call argument.


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Valkyr said:
"We are still waiting for a 360 exclusive to match the already old Uncharted 1 for the ps3, I don't know which is more powerful but I know which console has the games with the most beautiful graphics, Gears of War could be impressive, but it uses the ugly Unreal 3 engine. I think this guy is comparing the GPUs and we have always known the 360 ATI GPU is more powerful, but the efficient use of the SPUs for rendering purposes bring us the unmatched graphics of KZ2 and Uncharted, so yes, multiplatform games will always run better or be easier to program on a 360, but exclusives games can heavily use SPUs to gain the extra horse power."
Uncharted doesn't really have that great of graphics to be honest..and the Killzone 2 character models are just downright ugly.

No joke..what exactly is so great about the graphics on these? They don't seem to be better than Gears, or MGS4.







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thiago said:
"WilliamRLBaker said:
and yet again more words, more spin, more no real argument except you trying to say i am circumspect...ect without giving any proof.This fact alone that bluray 2x is slower then DVD 12x proves every thing from the simple facts i have put forth it proves much of every thing.  Nearly all multiplatform game loads quicker on the 360 regardless of cache use on ps3 or install. A problem is something that needs to be fixed and or circumvented you have said your self that the ps3 has ways of working around *circumventing* its slow read speeds therefor slow load times are a problem by your words alone you've admitted this.the funny thing is i realise now that we will never have a proper debate because i am not argueing The awesomeness of games *of which the ps3 has none* i am argueing simple system preformance and power where as your not even argueing that any more, I'm stepping out of my fanboy role and you are not which is why you continuely use simple words that prove no point and boil down to ps3 is awesome, your wrong ps3 games are awesome your wrong. (your wrong parts of the text are thiagos boiled down speech)  The quality of games mean nothing when those games still take longer to load then a 360 equivlient the whole point of this thread was ps3 is not more powerful then 360 weither that is to mean its inferior or equal to the 360 means nothing at this point since the arguement is boiling down to superior areas, the 360 is superior in its read speed and specificially loading times because 360 uses far better and more agreesive compression.  To load it is a proven fact that a compressed file on a faster drive will take less time to read and load then a uncompressed file on a slower drive.P.S: I probably know more about mgs 4 then you do atleast i've given the surface proof to my side of the argument you haven't given a thing all you've given basically amounts to is mgs 4 is awesome. Where as i have given the proof that Kojima claimed 50 gigs wasn't enough yet the game only took in the end after any amount of compression it used 32 gigs if the english uncompressed PCM 7.1 track took up 10 gigs then at 32 gigs on a 50 gig blu ray then 10 gig japanese language track would have been doable.Come back and give some proof, argue something instead of simply attacking me which is your main points * me going off topic or changing the topic when it was liquid prince that brought up load times initially*"

You have given no proof whatsoever. You just insist in this stupidity. The drive speed means nothing alone. We could equally say that the Blu-ray can hold more data. So what?

The OP posted a fanboy rant about a nobody who worked on "graphical monsters" such as Guitar Hero and Rock Band, stating that the PS3 is not more powerful. Your post don't actually contain anything related to "power", but instead you change the subject to drive speed as if it was the one thing that makes all the difference. It doesn't. If the PS3 games actually had loading problems, but they don't. Killzone 2 don't even do installation and it only does loading between areas after a long time of gameplay. So what is your point? You have no facts. None. Your speculations about what a project you didn't participate in and didn't receive the information from someone who participated in it are just *speculations*, not facts.Why are you acting all defensive? I didn't attack anyone. I only don't buy this BS you call argument. "
The things I have bolded in this dumb asses post makes him sound more like a moron than he already is. Beings as yes, PS3 games have been proven to have longer load times and you attack anybody with a differing opinion of you and just blindly defend the PS3 with your life saying everything else in existence is the worst thing of all time and I also bolded "fanboy rant" because you have absolutely no right to complain about anybody being a fanboy..


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Thiago haves all other systems, and loves to make the PS3 out to be much better than it is. Thiago, it's cool that you like your PlayStation, but don't be an asshole about it and make shit up.


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Why? Am I lying? The loading times in the PS3 aren't a problem at all. So, what is your point? And how does that relate to the original comment?


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Valkyr said:
"We are still waiting for a 360 exclusive to match the already old Uncharted 1 for the ps3, I don't know which is more powerful but I know which console has the games with the most beautiful graphics, Gears of War could be impressive, but it uses the ugly Unreal 3 engine. I think this guy is comparing the GPUs and we have always known the 360 ATI GPU is more powerful, but the efficient use of the SPUs for rendering purposes bring us the unmatched graphics of KZ2 and Uncharted, so yes, multiplatform games will always run better or be easier to program on a 360, but exclusives games can heavily use SPUs to gain the extra horse power."
LISTEN TO THIS GUY! HE*S GOT THE IDEA! KZ2 was awesome because it used the SPU's potensial, and the 360 used it's gpu as a assistent  for it's cpu.
there can be better games for either platform! but the 360's been out for 4 years now and you've got gears, halo (not perfect, but not bad) and your getting MGS4 (probably). and the PS3's been out 3 years and they've got uncharted, Mgs4, GT5: pro and KZ2.
STOP BITCHING!!!



Post by thiago (585 posts) See mini bio

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LordAndrew said:
"Thiago haves all other systems, and loves to make the PS3 out to be much better than it is. Thiago, it's cool that you like your PlayStation, but don't be an asshole about it and make shit up."

What did I make up?