Gamespot producer's attempt at censorship, and now something else

Topic started by Linkyshinks on Oct. 15, 2008. Last post by The_Ish 1 year, 1 month ago.
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I'm already on Gamespot...
*EDIT*  I can't get anything to load.  Did Giant Bomb break Gamespot over this thing?  LOL


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jakob187 said:
"Here's the way I see it:
What if I were the host of On The Spot, and someone was bringing by Fable II?  Now, personally...I don't want to talk about a game that involves sexually transmitted diseases and homosexuality (and before you say it, no, I'm not a fucking bigot...let people love who they want).  I wouldn't feel comfortable about those kinds of questions coming up, let alone reviewing a game that would involve them.  Therefore, would I be allowed to say "hey, I don't wanna do this game...I'm gonna pull it from the show".

The idea that you are the host of a show means that you deal with the punches...period.  If you don't like the way that women are presented in the world of gaming...yet you are going to don a bikini top yourself in front of Joust...or even go so far as to say that you have little qualm with DoA because of the humor in it...then it would seem fair to say, at least in my eyes, that you are an unfit host for the show.  Thanks to this one fell swoop of feminist bullshit, a developer lost their chance of being able to get screen-time due to one person's uneasiness.

On top of which, most women that I've ever met seem to have NO PROBLEM with objectifying themselves...even going so far as to fuck with little or no care.  They'll prance around in skimpy suits and tease like Hell.  However, whenever they get noticed or are looked at as being attractive in some way, they start crying "gender-biased! gender-biased!".  It's a ridiculous excuse.

An even bigger fact to me is that there have been a TON of great female lead characters in gaming history, so many that naming them right now would take for-fucking-ever.

I personally think that Kristin needs to offer an apology to the developers of the game for cutting their screen-time without much of a reason other than personal preference and the GameSpot community for her hypocrisy and denying them something to be shown.

Moreover, this battle can never end if people like Kristin don't STOP pushing the issue.  The act of feminism leads to defensive maneuvers from the male community, and the act of chauvinism leads to defensive maneuvers from the female community.  How about we just let shit be what it is?  Sex sells, as does violence, drugs, and swearing.  If it's something you don't like, then I guess you can change the world, eh?

The problem with changing the world is that, like assholes, everyone has an opinion...just like you, Kristin.
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According to that update she posted, any frontline member of staff can force to have a game pulled off the show if they object to it's content, as she does. As she says in her initial post on her GS blog, that was on the cards, until she then decided that it would be a "PRIME"  opportunity to query the developer using questions from female gamers.


 "Instead, she pulls a game from the show that is made by a small developer that may not have had a chance otherwise to have their game seen somewhere.  Those guys could, for all we know, be the next big thing and create the super-greatest game in the world.
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My thoughts exactly. 

I agree with much of what you say apart from the harsh stuff. I will not go there :D





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GameSpot is down for maintenance right now it seems.

However, I did manage to see her response to LinkyShink's second post:

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So basically, she's saying it's okay for women to dress up in bikini's for modeling photos, but virtual women in a videogame who dress up in videogames will lead to sexual harassment... I'm really seeing the connection here.

Also, I love how she doesn't have a problem DoA, but has a problem with this game. Makes a lot of sense.


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jakob187 said:
"I'm already on Gamespot...
*EDIT*  I can't get anything to load.  Did Giant Bomb break Gamespot over this thing?  LOL
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Yeah same, GS is sloooow.


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This is overly silly- its a game ffs


Post by jakob187 (9,611 posts) See mini bio
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brukaoru said:
"GameSpot is down for maintenance right now it seems.

However, I did manage to see her response to LinkyShink's second post:

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So basically, she's saying it's okay for women to dress up in bikini's for modeling photos, but virtual women in a videogame who dress up in videogames will lead to sexual harassment... I'm really seeing the connection here.

Also, I love how she doesn't have a problem DoA, but has a problem with this game. Makes a lot of sense."
That's some bullshit indeed!  Moreover...you missed a better point about this:
A.  What kind of modeling was she doing...because I can't think of any reason why you would need to have a bikini top on in front of a Joust machine!!!
B.  She's still objecting to chicks in bikinis KICKING THE SHIT OUT OF ZOMBIES?  I mean, I'm sorry...I don't think that's objectifying.  I think that's making them BADASSES!!!  Apparently, she's all for that.

I'd love to see what she thinks of Lara Croft.

Also, @Linky:  What do you mean "the harsh stuff"?  The truth can be rather harsh...


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brukaoru said:
"GameSpot is down for maintenance right now it seems.

However, I did manage to see her response to LinkyShink's second post:

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So basically, she's saying it's okay for women to dress up in bikini's for modeling photos, but virtual women in a videogame who dress up in videogames will lead to sexual harassment... I'm really seeing the connection here.

Also, I love how she doesn't have a problem DoA, but has a problem with this game. Makes a lot of sense."
If she is getting payed it's ok.>_>


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So...by that logic, porn is OK but games like Tomb Raider aren't?


Post by DualReaver (3,433 posts) See mini bio

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I dunno, but she has some hard nipples poking through that bikini top. >_>

God I'd love to objectify her.


Post by brukaoru (3,300 posts) See mini bio
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MB said:
"So...by that logic, porn is OK but games like Tomb Raider aren't?"
Come on, we all know males will want to sexually harass women after playing a game with bikini-clad ladies, but seeing them in real life, they won't! Makes perfect sense!


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She should play a Hentai game to see a game that really objectifies women.


Post by jakob187 (9,611 posts) See mini bio
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Also, another thing to add:
She doesn't like Bikini Zombie Slayers because she sees it as a way of objectifying women?

I don't like women who automatically believe that all men are sex-crazed pigs.  =  P


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jakob187 said:
"I don't like women who automatically believe that all men are sex-crazed pigs.  =  P"
Welcome to neo-feminism.


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brukaoru said:
"GameSpot is down for maintenance right now it seems.

However, I did manage to see her response to LinkyShink's second post:

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So basically, she's saying it's okay for women to dress up in bikini's for modeling photos, but virtual women in a videogame who dress up in videogames will lead to sexual harassment... I'm really seeing the connection here.

Also, I love how she doesn't have a problem DoA, but has a problem with this game. Makes a lot of sense."


Thanks, I was not able to catch that.

Well,  that really is a lol worthy reply given her earlier standpoint, what the fuck difference does it make that it's part of her modeling portfolio and was used in a magazine!, lol.  The fight for change in the portrayal of women in all forms of media should come from women with a foundation of credibility, she has very little I imagine with this past career in modeling....

The DoA comment, that is some twisted logic right there lol.



Post by jakob187 (9,611 posts) See mini bio
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HandsomeDead said:
"jakob187 said:
"I don't like women who automatically believe that all men are sex-crazed pigs.  =  P"
Welcome to neo-feminism."
lol, no shit, right?
You know, I went back and read both of the blog posts (the original and the updated version)...and I think what's more interesting are the things I pulled from it:

A.  she has no problem with Lara Croft having huge tits
B.  she has no problem with DoA Volleyball because of the sense of humor it supposedly has
C.  she has no problem with schoolgirl outfits
D.  she has no problem directly insulting the shit out of the developers and pigeonholing all of them, basically saying they are all a bunch of pigs
E.  she has no problem with modeling in bikinis, but God forbid someone in a bikini kills zombies!
F.  she won't name what the picture in question was being modeled for (and wouldn't it just make you laugh your ass off if she said it was for FHM or Maxim?).


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it's ok when women do porn, but it's wrong when video games have women with only a bikini! D:


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jakob187 said:
F.  she won't name what the picture in question was being modeled for (and wouldn't it just make you laugh your ass off if she said it was for FHM or Maxim?).
There is no way she is at the level of the girls being featured in Maxim or FHM.  No way.


Post by jakob187 (9,611 posts) See mini bio
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BWAHAHA!!!  Coincidentally, I just got the page to finally load...and blogs are down for maintenance.
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MB said:
"jakob187 said:
F.  she won't name what the picture in question was being modeled for (and wouldn't it just make you laugh your ass off if she said it was for FHM or Maxim?).
There is no way she is at the level of the girls being featured in Maxim or FHM.  No way."
Although her nipples fit the bill. Look completely fake.


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MB said:
"jakob187 said:
F.  she won't name what the picture in question was being modeled for (and wouldn't it just make you laugh your ass off if she said it was for FHM or Maxim?).
There is no way she is at the level of the girls being featured in Maxim or FHM.  No way."

Maybe so, but it does have the feel of a Maxim pic in terms of it's style..

How is this magazine picture not be contributing to the "objectification of women" ???
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What's worse is she's bitching about a game THAT'S ON NINTENDO WII!!!

I mean, tell me you can't laugh at a blatant rip-off of Grindhouse and Dynasty Warriors combined:
  



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jakob187 said:
"BWAHAHA!!!  Coincidentally, I just got the page to finally load...and blogs are down for maintenance.
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Gamespot we have a problem.


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Linkyshinks said:
"Thanks, I was not able to catch that.

Well,  that really is a lol worthy reply given her earlier standpoint, what the fuck difference does it make that it's part of her modeling portfolio!, lol.  The fight for change in the portrayal of women in all forms of media should come from women with a foundation of credibility, she has very little I imagine with this past career in modeling....

I have just seen the DoA comment also, that is some twisted logic right there lol."
No problem.

I'm going to attempt to understand her logic here:
  • Women are being objectified in videogames when they are deliberately put in scantily clad clothing, but if it's meant to be as humor, then it's not a problem.
  • The more virtual reality (games) that portray women in such a manner will lead to even more sexual harassment. Real life, such as modeling photos that depicts women in bikinis don't lead to more sexual harassment.
  • Females are being harassed in online games, we need female clans to be respected.

Did I sum it up right?

I think I will state it again: Very hypocritical and her logic makes no sense. Why the heck does it matter whether the game is humorous or not? If it's "objectifying" in one game than it should be for the other game, no matter what kind of tone the game is setting. Why is it objectifying for virtual women but not real-life women? Female clans segregate female gamers which causes female gamers to be taken even less seriously. There have been professional female gamers that compete in the same exact leagues as males, they aren't part of a clan, so why do other females have to be? The argument I've most seen for why these female clans are created is because they say, "female gamers will come up to [us] all the time and tell us they are harassed online." Last time I checked, you don't have to play with your headset on, also, I don't know many people who will talk to complete strangers anyway.   Being harassed for being female will happen. So will harassment for a person's ethnicity, voice, hair style, eye color, you name it. Some people are jerks, no matter what. Male gamers get harassed by others too. It's part of the anonymity of the internet, people can get away with harassing others without consequence.

Men are being objectified as well, maybe not to the same extent, but you never hear about it. The gaming industry is still young in terms of age, most of the workers are male, and we have more games focusing on catering to males. Developers feel they need to create special games to cater to females. For example, Ubisoft's "Game for girls." I don't agree with this at all, I don't like games catering to one gender, but I understand the concept behind making games like this with females in bikinis, sex sells after all.

Oh, if she has a problem with females in bikinis, I can point out several games with males in speedos and whatnot.


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Lol at everyone hating Gamespot over this.
Dumb asses.


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twenty0ne said:
"Lol at everyone hating Gamespot over this.
Dumb asses.
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It's not about Gamespot, it's about a specific person.  Her employer is irrelevant to me, really.


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Feminism is so silly.


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MB said:
"twenty0ne said:
"Lol at everyone hating Gamespot over this.
Dumb asses.
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It's not about Gamespot, it's about a specific person.  Her employer is irrelevant to me, really."
My comment was directed at people who said "even more reason to hate Gamespot."


Post by DualReaver (3,433 posts) See mini bio

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Well her working at Gamespot and being the host of "On the Spot" is a legitimate reason to not like Gamespot.


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DualReaver said:
"Well her working at Gamespot and being the host of "On the Spot" is a legitimate reason to not like Gamespot."
No, you and others just have had an extreme bias against Gamespot since your beloved Jeff left.