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@Seppli said:

" The thing on the gamesfront is, a large portion of the Wii audience is uneducated, when it comes to games quality. They will buy shovelware. And they won't care, because they don't know any better. Also,  there are very confining boundries set by the Wii hardware, in regard to the production quality. The combination is deadly for premium content on the Wii. Even the premium content made by Nintendo is undeniably of lesser production quality, than most premium productions on the other platforms.Non the less, there are fun games to be had on the Wii. They just aren't this generations highlights anymore. They are yesteryears Nintendo classics, repackaged with motion controls, on a system, where yesteryears classics are tomorrows top sellers. How do you compete with Mario, Link and Samus for yesteryears best gaming experiences? Well, you won't and you can't. At the very most, 3rd party publishers on Wii can hope to dig into Nintendos marketshare of sales by producing stuff like 'Kingdom Hearts'. Going after the 'for the whole family' market with family friendly IPs and franchises. In addition to that, they can and will successfully tackle the fitness and sports sector. Premium productions of other genres are doomed to fail. It is even very likely, that a premium production quality doesn't do enough for the sales.The only way to fix this, is for Nintendo to actively educate their audience about good games on the Wii. Something like 'Nintendos Choice'. Nintendo pushing 3rd party premium productions by attaching the Nintendo brand and chipping into the advertisment with Nintendo dime. Even then, the hardware limitation of production quality will remain as an ugly bottleneck this generation, and that won't change, unless Nintendo has something like 'OnLive' up their sleves, which I don't hold my breath for. Nintendo can do something about premium 3rd party games not selling on Wii. That doesn't change however, how most of the core audience feels about Wii games, because of their limited production quality.Wii games are stuck in the past. A sad fact. That is how Nintendo betrayed the art form of video games. That is, how they won the sales race this far, and that's how they lost their way. "

Can you blame Nintendo (or anyone else) for the gaming education of their audience? Not really. It's an unavoidable by-product of drawing in a huge number of new people to gaming.I don't see any 'lesser production quality' in Nintendo's games for this console. In fact that has always been Nintendo's hallmark - incredibly polished games with no rough edges, and they continue to deliver that quality guarantee in my opinion, even in the games that miss the mark for me. I'm guessing you're actually talking about graphics here, and there's no doubt the Wii doesn't match the other consoles there, but to major on that aspect is really missing the point about the console imo. Nintendo's games are as good as they ever were in my opinion, and I'm pretty convinced that the so-called 'core gamer' is as well serviced by Nintendo as it ever was in the N64 and Gamecube days. I'd like to see a list of Nintendo's releases on their previous consoles alongside their releases on the Wii - for example what franchise that was on the gamecube hasn't made it to the Wii? I can't think of one.It's the third parties that haven't contributed. You say that "premium productions of other genres are doomed to fail" - I agree with you partly that this was the perception at first on the Wii. Many of the big third-parties basically ignored the console as an aberration, but now there seems to be a momentum towards delivering the quality titles we find on other consoles. New Res Evil and Deadspace titles, Madworld etc. I do agree that third-parties have been incredibly slow to come to terms with the Wii though, though I should add that I don't see how that could possibly be Nintendo's fault. Nintendo didn't ask the big third-parties to ignore the Wii, and nor did they create the cheaply produced games that have filled that gap in the meantime.I think the problem has been that it's hard for third party developers to develop cross-platform titles for the Wii, because it is a special console with its own controller and specs. But I think we're going to see a massive shift over the next two years, because developers simply gravitate towards the market leader. It's simply good business practise. "

" @VariableGear: Could be a possibility hehe. "

" @AgentJ: Yeah that makes perfect sense. More sense than letting Namco make the game. Ahem. "

" How many Wii games have you played in the last six months, Toms115? "