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#1 Edited by Anwar (883 posts) -

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#2 Posted by McGhee (6094 posts) -

#3 Posted by believer258 (11999 posts) -

I agree that the outrage is getting out of hand, but I do wish that someone on that team would have had the sense (and good taste) to say something like "we should rename this trophy." It's certainly not as bad as the achievement you get for killing black people in Call of Juarez The Cartel

#4 Posted by JasonR86 (9742 posts) -
#5 Edited by Milkman (17032 posts) -

Sessler probably overreacted but it's still a dumb trophy.

Also, holy shit that cutscene is horrible. Who wrote this shit?

#6 Posted by Animasta (14713 posts) -

I like how, just because a woman named it, we're all supposed to be alright with it now.

#7 Edited by triple07 (1198 posts) -

I think the entire God of War series since 1 has been really gross and this is no exception. Also how is this a joke? Jokes are funny, this is just violent.

#8 Posted by darkvare (771 posts) -

@mcghee: i knew this gif will pop up i'm just amazed it's in the first reply

#9 Edited by MegaLombax (395 posts) -

..Thats's it? I gotta say, after watching the review by Sess, I was expecting something a lot worse. But this seems normal for on a God of War standard anyways. I've seen worse on a GoW game, esp in GoW 3. Anyhow, The trophy naming could've been better I guess. I'm okay with it *Shrugs*

#11 Posted by Yummylee (22066 posts) -

..Thats's it? I gotta say, after watching the review by Sess, I was expecting something a lot worse. But this seems normal for on a God of War standard anyways. I've seen worse on a GoW game, esp in GoW 3. Anyhow, The trophy naming could've been better I guess. I'm okay with it *Shrugs*

Yeah, Hercules gets a noticeably severe thrashing in GoW3, where his entire face is hilariously smashed into a pile of bloody pudding. The trophy name is still really stupid, though, but the scene itself was surprisingly pedestrian.

#13 Posted by Milkman (17032 posts) -

@anwar said:

@believer258: You get the trophy because the dude helped you out and not for killing anyone, since you don't even kill her.

If the trophy had nothing to do with her then it wouldn't have the word "hoe" in it. Let's not deny the obvious here.

#14 Posted by McGhee (6094 posts) -

@darkvare said:

@mcghee: i knew this gif will pop up i'm just amazed it's in the first reply

My gifoo is quite strong.

#15 Edited by MegaLombax (395 posts) -
@yummylee said:
@megalombax said:

..Thats's it? I gotta say, after watching the review by Sess, I was expecting something a lot worse. But this seems normal for on a God of War standard anyways. I've seen worse on a GoW game, esp in GoW 3. Anyhow, The trophy naming could've been better I guess. I'm okay with it *Shrugs*

Yeah, Hercules gets a noticeably severe thrashing in GoW3, where his entire face is hilariously smashed into a pile of bloody pudding. The trophy name is still really stupid, though, but the scene itself was surprisingly pedestrian.

Now that you've mentioned it, the Hercules scene was bloody gory. I was actually thinking back to the Helios scene. The whole thing made me pause for a bit.

#16 Edited by Yummylee (22066 posts) -
@anwar said:

If you want to talk about some mean shit, look at this

around 4:40, that wasn't getting any attention, because the GOW series always has been really brutal and Kratos has always been an asshole.

I've always thought it really pushed it a little too far with that particular scene's resulting trophy title. But yeah, after now watching the whole Ascension scene after the Fury fight, none of the furies even died and, contrary to what's been said, you don't have a trophy ding right after Kratos was attacking her either. It dings after the cutscene, when Kratos was then saved by a male ally. ''Bros before hoes'' is still a really stupid phrase, but it's also a commonly used one, often as irony for how stupid it is, across a lot of media. It was just a bad joke and should be viewed as such.

#17 Posted by TheFreeMan (2712 posts) -

Dumb, tasteless name for a trophy, but the violence wasn't so shocking considering some of the stuff that's been in GoW before (that scene where Kratos tears off Helios' god damn head in GoW3 for example). God of War has always been kinda gross and pretty sadistic, and Kratos is pretty much the biggest asshole of a protagonist ever so I dunno why this got quite the reaction it did.

But yeah, wow, maybe shoulda thought twice about that trophy name.

#18 Posted by Voxus (343 posts) -

@anwar said:

If you want to talk about some mean shit, look at this

around 4:40, that wasn't getting any attention, because the GOW series always has been really brutal and Kratos has always been an asshole.

That was the one I always thought was kinda messed up.

#20 Edited by Milkman (17032 posts) -

@anwar: Yeah exactly...the women in the scene are being referred to as hoes. So, the trophy does have to do with her, which is what I just said.

#23 Posted by NekuSakuraba (7241 posts) -

Hey guys, are video games art?

#24 Posted by FancySoapsMan (5841 posts) -

yeah, I'm surprised this is getting a reaction considering how over the top the series has always been.

But hey, gotta be careful we don't hurt them ladies' feelings.

#25 Posted by Milkman (17032 posts) -

@anwar: what the fuck....

Okay, whatever.

#26 Edited by Mrsignerman44 (1100 posts) -

@animasta said:

I like how, just because a woman named it, we're all supposed to be alright with it now.

Or maybe we should've been alright with it in the first place. I'm guessing that saying a woman wrote it was a way to put out the fire to the overly sensitive, even if it shouldn't matter and there shouldn't be a fire to begin with.

@nekusakuraba said:

Hey guys, are video games art?

This statement is completely unfair, that's like saying that the House of the Dead movie makes Schindler's List not art anymore just because it's the same medium.

There are shitty video games and there are games that are artistic masterpieces, just like every other medium in existence

#28 Edited by mrfluke (5271 posts) -

are you fucking kidding me? are you fucking kidding me?

THAT is what is getting people upset and causing another misogyny witch hunt when god of war has had much more graphic beatdowns?

lets take gender out of this in terms of the beatdown, these are arguably worse in terms of graphical beatdowns.

and if you want to drag gender into this, then here you go i think even these are more gruesome (even the god of war 2 ones that have less fidelity)

you people that complain about this trophy are ridiculous. especially now that there is context that A FEMALE (key word FEMALE) PRODUCER NAMED THE TROPHY. (the director of god of war ascension tweeted out that it was a female producer that named the trophy

https://twitter.com/ToddPapy/status/309746549125152768)

this witch hunt over misogyny is really getting to amazing levels of ridiculousness.

#29 Posted by ll_Exile_ll (1815 posts) -

Many of you are completely missing the point of Sessler's issue. He says that in context and given the history the series, the violence is perfectly acceptable, man or woman. His problem was with the trophy, which turns a standard gory God of War kill into a misogynist frat house joke. Bringing up other brutal God of War kills doesn't work because it wasn't the violence he had a problem with, it was the immature sexist humor of the trophy name.

#30 Posted by punkxblaze (2990 posts) -

The whole issue aside; am I trippin', or did it seem like that cut scene was really conspicuously missing audio elements? Sound effects, music, etc. It felt like an early run through cut or something.

#31 Edited by Fredchuckdave (5739 posts) -

@mrsignerman44: As far as "Games that are artistic masterpieces" go I think it's limited to games that cease being games and become solely spectacles; there's certainly a handful of games that are masterpieces but they aren't precisely artistic for the most part, maybe a few elements of said games are but overall gameplay supersedes art design in every game that's actually a game.

Sessler overreacted, dumb trophy name, God of War can be called excessively brutal (and for a lot of people that's the appeal) but misogynistic is a stretch; Kratos is an equal opportunity brutalizer.

#32 Posted by Yummylee (22066 posts) -

Many of you are completely missing the point of Sessler's issue. He says that in context and given the history the series, the violence is perfectly acceptable, man or woman. His problem was with the trophy, which turns a standard gory God of War kill into a misogynist frat house joke. Bringing up other brutal God of War kills doesn't work because it wasn't the violence he had a problem with, it was the immature sexist humor of the trophy name.

But none of the furies were killed, and the trophy was specifically named as such because Kratos was saved by his male ally. Calling the furies 'hoes' shouldn't be an issue either. They're the antagonists for starters, and anyone who has issues over it being a gender-specific insult needs to remember that calling guys ''dicks'' is awfully common in this day and age, and I'm pretty sure nobody makes a fuss about that. I'm not going to deny that the 'bros before hoes' phrase is stupid, but it's not sexist nor is it related to any of the violence in the scene either.

#34 Posted by MocBucket62 (1247 posts) -

Hmm, I was in Sessler's camp before I actually saw that clip. Now I honestly don't see how that was too offensive. I have a feeling Kratos has done far worse things in his previous games.

#35 Posted by TangoUp (314 posts) -

@animasta said:

I like how, just because a woman named it, we're all supposed to be alright with it now.

This times a million. If anything, the fact that a woman named it should get it even more hate.

#36 Posted by SuperWristBands (2266 posts) -

Many of you are completely missing the point of Sessler's issue. He says that in context and given the history the series, the violence is perfectly acceptable, man or woman. His problem was with the trophy, which turns a standard gory God of War kill into a misogynist frat house joke. Bringing up other brutal God of War kills doesn't work because it wasn't the violence he had a problem with, it was the immature sexist humor of the trophy name.

This exactly. I'm surprised to see so many people missing the idea. I wonder how many watched and listened to the video. Adam very clearly describes his problem with it and it is what you wrote.

Though the poseidon princess trophy from GoW3 is worse in this regard but that doesn't make this any less stupid.

#37 Posted by TheHT (11526 posts) -

The whole issue aside; am I trippin', or did it seem like that cut scene was really conspicuously missing audio elements? Sound effects, music, etc. It felt like an early run through cut or something.

yeah, when that bro used his power to get kratos away from them hos, it seems like there should've been a sound effect.

#38 Posted by TangoUp (314 posts) -

If Ninja Theory ever make a DMC game where they let you control Dante and destroy Kratos, it will be a day one buy for me.

However awful Dante or the rest of the game are.

#39 Edited by mrfluke (5271 posts) -

tagging @patrickklepek to this thread, no matter where he stands on this debate, im sure he would at least want to see the clip in question.

#41 Edited by Mrsignerman44 (1100 posts) -

@fredchuckdave said:

@mrsignerman44: As far as "Games that are artistic masterpieces" go I think it's limited to games that cease being games and become solely spectacles; there's certainly a handful of games that are masterpieces but they aren't precisely artistic for the most part, maybe a few elements of said games are but overall gameplay supersedes art design in every game that's actually a game.

Sessler overreacted, dumb trophy name, God of War can be called excessively brutal (and for a lot of people that's the appeal) but misogynistic is a stretch; Kratos is an equal opportunity brutalizer.

That's a good point since Journey and TWD would fall into that "spectacle" category, but what I'm saying is that a lot of work goes into the art assets like character design, level design and in some cases excellent writing that It's a bit stupid to completely belittle all of the work put into an excellent game by pointing at this and saying "Hey guise, games are art amirite? :D" when the industry as a whole is trying to shift in the opposite direction.

#42 Posted by Demoskinos (15019 posts) -

I still don't see the problem. Its a dumb joke but to imply all of this underlying misogyny behind the trophy is utterly stupid.

#43 Posted by Milkman (17032 posts) -

Posting Sessler's review (which really should have been in the OP to begin with) because people in this thread clearly have no idea what he was actually upset about.

#44 Posted by MariachiMacabre (7099 posts) -

It's a stupid and misogynistic joke. I don't give two shits who made it. It's stupid. Also that cutscenes felt like it was missing sound effects and music. Weird.

#45 Edited by Fredchuckdave (5739 posts) -

@mrsignerman44: Ah fair enough, I certainly have a ton of respect for those that make excellent games that have impressive art design. Metroid Prime is probably the closest to being inbetween something like Journey and Resident Evil 4 (gameplay is awesome, storyline is ludicrous and self aware silliness), and if someone wanted to call Metroid Prime art I'd be hard pressed to argue with them.

#46 Posted by LiquidPrince (16018 posts) -

I'm so tired of all these claims of alleged misogyny in every odd numbered release of a game that's been coming out recently. Just... Stop. Please. I mean this isn't even the first time Kratos has brutally murdered a mythical creature in the shape of a woman. And the trophy name, while dumb, shouldn't elicit this sort of overblown reaction.

#47 Edited by Mrsignerman44 (1100 posts) -

@fredchuckdave: Metroid Prime is an excellent game, no arguing with that hahaha, there's some pretty great art design in that one.

#48 Posted by kpaadet (411 posts) -

Hey guys, are video games art?

Sure they are, just not the majority. Just like I wouldn't consider the majority of the movies Hollywood makes to be art.

#49 Posted by punkxblaze (2990 posts) -

@theht said:

@punkxblaze said:

The whole issue aside; am I trippin', or did it seem like that cut scene was really conspicuously missing audio elements? Sound effects, music, etc. It felt like an early run through cut or something.

yeah, when that bro used his power to get kratos away from them hos, it seems like there should've been a sound effect.

God Of War Ascension does not use the latest in bro-getter tech.

#50 Edited by michaelfossbakk (236 posts) -

I'm curious. Does the fact that the person that named the trophy is female mean that it's automatically not sexist or misogynistic? There are plenty of females that demean other females out there and not just in the videogame industry.