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#1 Posted by MethodMan008 (1007 posts) -

I could of sworn it wasn't, but the quick look makes it sound like it does...

I know the guys getting those kind of facts wrong about games they are looking at is pretty normal, but MGR:R looks like it could make sense post 4.

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#2 Posted by Krullban (1471 posts) -

Yes.

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#3 Posted by Demoskinos (17319 posts) -

I'm pretty sure it is. The only thing that changed is originally it was supposed to be BEFORE MGS4 and deal with Raiden as he escaped the Patriots and saved Sunny. They've changed the time frame but I think it is still considered canon.

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#4 Posted by DaMisterChief (612 posts) -

yes

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#5 Edited by MethodMan008 (1007 posts) -

Well if you guys are right, that blows my fucking mind...

I dunno why I was so certain it wasn't canon.. I thought once they gave it to Konami and dropped the Solid from the title it no longer was, I guess? I dunno.

Well after the quick look I guess I'm on my way to Gamestop to pick up a copy.

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#6 Posted by pr1mus (4158 posts) -

I feel that in order to stay sane one shouldn't think too much about the Metal Gear canon at this point.

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#7 Posted by jay_ray (1461 posts) -

I swear I read somewhere Kojima said it no longer is after development was cancelled at Kojima Productions and moved to Platinum

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#8 Posted by Reisz (1621 posts) -

Where are you guys getting confirmation on that? As far as I know the only credible source of what is or is not canon beyond the word of Kojima himself is the timeline at the official site. If Rising shows up there consider it canon.

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#9 Posted by Oldirtybearon (5626 posts) -

Just as a pro-tip so your brain doesn't explode because of the Metal Gear Canon, just take each game as its own stand alone thing. Sure there are connections to previous entries with characters and events, but those aren't so important when playing any entry on the series. As for Metal Gear Rising, yeah, it's canon. I think.

It's also pretty good.

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#10 Posted by Demoskinos (17319 posts) -

@reisz said:

Where are you guys getting confirmation on that? As far as I know the only credible source of what is or is not canon beyond the word of Kojima himself is the timeline at the official site. If Rising shows up there consider it canon.

Weird...that site isn't loading for me at all. O_o

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#11 Posted by Morbid_Coffee (974 posts) -

If it's not, it'll be retconed out of existance in MGS5 because nanomachines.

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#12 Edited by Reisz (1621 posts) -

@demoskinos said:

@reisz said:

Where are you guys getting confirmation on that? As far as I know the only credible source of what is or is not canon beyond the word of Kojima himself is the timeline at the official site. If Rising shows up there consider it canon.

Weird...that site isn't loading for me at all. O_o

Just try going to www.metalgearsolid.com and hit the "saga" link up the top. Lot's of Rising marketing but no entry on the timeline at all.

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#13 Edited by Demoskinos (17319 posts) -

@reisz: Yeah dunno the metal gear site straight up isn't loading for me. Loads on my phone but not my desktop and I'm having no other issues with ANY sites. Its bizzare. =\

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#14 Posted by Reisz (1621 posts) -

@demoskinos: Oh wow, that's weird. I figured it was just the link, for what it's worth the age gate was messed up for me earlier. It's probably a cyber attack, the Patriots are back!

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#15 Posted by firecracker22 (728 posts) -

I don't know if it's something that can really be confirmed until we get something else that takes place post-MGS4. If MGS5 takes place years after MGS4, then it seems like the kind of thing that would need to be confirmed and seen through. Because I could see Kojima straight up retconning things he might feel like between Rising and anything else post-MGS4.

I haven't beaten Rising yet, but so far they don't seem to make any insane changes to the MGS universe. So far, I've seen some cool insight on what the world is post-War Economy and post-SOP cutoff.

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#16 Posted by Pie (7305 posts) -

Until Kojima makes another post MGS4 game I don't care

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#17 Posted by TinAutomaton (60 posts) -

Are you worried about it being canon because it seems so over the top and ridiculous?

I have always found the series to be so. MGS2 re-affirmed this belief when they introduced a bi-sexual vampire man that could run across water.

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#18 Posted by Wrighteous86 (3927 posts) -

Kojima was quoted and it was misinterpreted as non-canon. He then clarified it is canon

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#19 Edited by Nightriff (7091 posts) -

Probably not would be my guess, KOJIMA DO WANT HE WANT!

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#20 Posted by firecracker22 (728 posts) -

I think he was introduced as a gay vampire man, if I remember the backstory correctly from the MGS2 manual. Or the strategy guide.

They mentioned he was the lover of Scott Dolph, Fortune's dad. Aka, the dude who talked through all the Tanker mission as Solid Snake took pictures of Metal Gear Ray.

Pie's right. Until another post-MGS4 game gets made, I'm not stressing it.

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#21 Posted by crithon (3979 posts) -

every new MGS game recons something, for the longest time I believed Meryel died at the end of MGS1, and the Otacon ending was the true ending. Until MGS4 was release, but then MGS1 and 2 had a translator who had difficulty with Kojima's writing and took a lot of liberties with his work. I kinda imagine 8-4 did a good job with Rising and this is cannon.

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#22 Posted by Nilazz (827 posts) -

Does it ever matter? Metal Gear has become so freaking convoluted anyways.

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#23 Posted by Phatmac (5930 posts) -

I believe so.

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#24 Edited by ll_Exile_ll (2648 posts) -

@methodman008:

It was confirmed definitively a while back that it most certainly is canon. They plainly answer the question in the interview below, not much room for interpretation with his answer.

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#25 Posted by Sanious (799 posts) -

@nilazz said:

Does it ever matter? Metal Gear has become so freaking convoluted anyways.

Honestly, even with this it really shouldn't. I've been listening to a lot of the codecs lately and it seriously feels like a "normal" MGS game. A lot of information on just about everything you could imagine. This stuff was definitely thought about and it at least sounds like they tied it in well enough to the rest of the series.

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#26 Edited by baldgye (776 posts) -

@methodman008:

It was confirmed definitively a while back that it most certainly is canon. They plainly answer the question in the interview below, not much room for interpretation with his answer.

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Calling it out now, while Rising might be cannon now and atm, as soon as Kojima want's to do something/anything that exists past MGS4 in the time line, MGR will stop being cannon.

MGS:PO WAS cannon untill very recentally, hell it has Solid in the title and even came in the 20th Ann Collectors Box set they put out.

It's been made pretty clear that the only 100% cannon titles are the 5 main MGS games (MGS, MGS2, MGS3, MGS4 and MGS:PW), anything else is seemingly up in the air.

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#27 Posted by mordukai (8467 posts) -

No, because Raiden should have died in MGS4.

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#28 Edited by rolanthas (261 posts) -

Yep it's canon. It's kinda funny to argue otherwise when it's stated couple of times by the peeps that make the game + the dude that created the canon in the first place.

And yep, Kojima will retcon it if it suits him. No guarantee MGR will stay in forever.

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#29 Edited by Nottle (1933 posts) -

Really I think after MGS4 this universe can be anything.

MGS1 and 2 are fairly consistent with each other but once we get to 4... retcon everything to fit into each game.

Is there really anything that insane about this game other than the final boss?

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#30 Posted by Demoskinos (17319 posts) -

The only Metal Gear Games that aren't cannon is Metal Gear 2 :Snakes Revenge and the Metal Gear Acid Series.

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#31 Posted by Enigma777 (6285 posts) -

The only Metal Gear Games that aren't cannon is Metal Gear 2 :Snakes Revenge and the Metal Gear Acid Series.

Don't forget Metal Gear: Ghost Babel for the GBC

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#32 Posted by Shookems (479 posts) -

Who cares? Nothing really happens

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#33 Posted by MariachiMacabre (7097 posts) -

@shookems said:

Who cares? Nothing really happens

That's deep, bro.

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#34 Edited by Chaser324 (8069 posts) -

@mariachimacabre said:

@shookems said:

Who cares? Nothing really happens

That's deep, bro.

It all just a training program inside the Animus that's being used to prepare the next generation of child soldiers.

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#35 Edited by MariachiMacabre (7097 posts) -

@mariachimacabre said:

@shookems said:

Who cares? Nothing really happens

That's deep, bro.

It all just a training program inside the Animus that's being used to prepare the next generation of child soldiers.

Okay WELL! I'm done. Outskies. Gonna go kill myself because just...shit. You win, Hideo.

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#36 Edited by ThunderSlash (2587 posts) -

@mariachimacabre said:

@shookems said:

Who cares? Nothing really happens

That's deep, bro.

It all just a training program inside the Animus that's being used to prepare the next generation of child soldiers.

Oh so that's why MGS4 had a Assassin's robe for Snake to wear.

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#37 Posted by cmblasko (2354 posts) -

Warning: this game is canon.

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#38 Posted by Shookems (479 posts) -

Raiden was actually Bruce Willis in a hair piece the whole time