All those "conspiracies" about world-orders seem really possible

China proposes new global currency and now Russia is backing it.

I don't really understand what you're talking about, buddy.

The funny thing with good conspiracy theories is there's always some grain of truth.  I think the real conspiracy is that there are groups that make conspiracies up that are so crazy that the real conspiracies that are going on are ignored because everyone thinks conspiracy theories are crazy.

Did you ever wonder what all those people who earn crazy ass amounts of money are doing with it?

Since when did China and Russia represent the majority of the world in land/population/opinion? Don't take their rhetoric seriously... seriously.

"China proposes new global currency and now Russia is backing it.

 these are just the small steps. There are a whole host of things that point to this possibility, what do you guys think?

"

My hope for humanity just died a little.

"I don't think you have any idea of what you're talking about.This does not mean that anyone would be carrying around a 'global currency.'  This means that other countries that have money from business or other investments in a country such as the US... (say Britain owning $1 million in the US) then if US dollars go to shit because of the economy... Britain wouldn't have to lose money if the money was a global currency. It would be less effected by the economies. So this thread is going no where because what you're thinking isn't what China proposed."

I for one would not be opposed to some new world order if it mean't we actually improved as a species and put our patriotic bullshit aside and support one flag, one country. Instead of what we have now which is a bunch of pieces in a puzzle all jumbled in the box. Lets put the puzzle together and join the pieces as a whole.I say we bow down to our new overlords and accept their rule.

"Hamz said:

I for one would not be opposed to some new world order if it mean't we actually improved as a species and put our patriotic bullshit aside and support one flag, one country. Instead of what we have now which is a bunch of pieces in a puzzle all jumbled in the box. Lets put the puzzle together and join the pieces as a whole.I say we bow down to our new overlords and accept their rule.

That's one thing that always strikes me.  Peace and coexistence must really bother some people.  There is some legitimacy to the concern though because most of the West and Japan benefit because billions of people work for peanuts and have poor living conditions.  Everyone in the world can't live like Americans."

"Hamz said:

I for one would not be opposed to some new world order if it mean't we actually improved as a species and put our patriotic bullshit aside and support one flag, one country. Instead of what we have now which is a bunch of pieces in a puzzle all jumbled in the box. Lets put the puzzle together and join the pieces as a whole.I say we bow down to our new overlords and accept their rule.

That's one thing that always strikes me.  Peace and coexistence must really bother some people.  There is some legitimacy to the concern though because most of the West and Japan benefit because billions of people work for peanuts and have poor living conditions.  Everyone in the world can't live like Americans."

"My hope for humanity just died a little."

"The funny thing with good conspiracy theories is there's always some grain of truth.  I think the real conspiracy is that there are groups that make conspiracies up that are so crazy that the real conspiracies that are going on are ignored because everyone thinks conspiracy theories are crazy."

Why not? Because someone says they have to live in poverty? It is theoretically possible for everyone in the world to have a decent living standard.

I think the main concern other than peace and co-existence is the fact that if the US economy for some reason completely fall, it could almost bring down the whole world market because of how essential it is (which would also mean the US taking #2 to another country). It messes up a lot of things and a lot more people would be living poor."

lets just all pay with bacon and cupcakes... everyone would be happy

"lets just all pay with bacon and cupcakes... everyone would be happy"

"SinGulaR said:

Why not? Because someone says they have to live in poverty? It is theoretically possible for everyone in the world to have a decent living standard.

Over time it may be possible, but as it is right now, every Westerner has several poorer people padding our lifestyle.  If you were to adopt a single currency and rid the world of borders the way society works now would quickly fail.

And that would be something bad?"

So you think a centralized world goverment wouldn't be stable?

"So you think a centralized world goverment wouldn't be stable?"

"SinGulaR said:

"So you think a centralized world goverment wouldn't be stable?"

It would be stable. But far too many Western people would find they have to give up the private jets, sell some of the multiple sports cars and maybe downsize from a 20 bedroom mansion too a 5 bedroom semi."

"China proposes new global currency and now Russia is backing it.

 these are just the small steps. There are a whole host of things that point to this possibility, what do you guys think?

"

"Hamz said:

"SinGulaR said:

"So you think a centralized world goverment wouldn't be stable?"

It would be stable. But far too many Western people would find they have to give up the private jets, sell some of the multiple sports cars and maybe downsize from a 20 bedroom mansion too a 5 bedroom semi."

so you are telling me you wouldn't want your on jet and a 20 bedroom mansion?"

"Hamz said:

"SinGulaR said:

"So you think a centralized world goverment wouldn't be stable?"

It would be stable. But far too many Western people would find they have to give up the private jets, sell some of the multiple sports cars and maybe downsize from a 20 bedroom mansion too a 5 bedroom semi."

so you are telling me you wouldn't want your on jet and a 20 bedroom mansion?"

"TwoOneFive said:

"Hamz said:

"SinGulaR said:

"So you think a centralized world goverment wouldn't be stable?"

It would be stable. But far too many Western people would find they have to give up the private jets, sell some of the multiple sports cars and maybe downsize from a 20 bedroom mansion too a 5 bedroom semi."

so you are telling me you wouldn't want your on jet and a 20 bedroom mansion?"

Would you? I mean, I could understand wanting a jet. But a 20 bedroom mansion? If I had one I would just share it with the people I know. Let them all live there. Maybe I'm just to social for this time and age and should just go to bed."

What does this have anything to do with "world orders"? Or conspiracies for that matter? Such currency mergers are proposed and carried out all the time. The "Amero" (Canada-US-Mexico dollar) has been all but confirmed. The Euro already exists. A global currency isn't too far of a stretch, but the question is how it will affect America, since it would likely become poorer.

If you take away the currency you pay for a certain amount of gold, the only value that is left is it's pratical value.

"if this country just stuck with the gold standard, of course a modernized system, we would be so much better off right now am i right? gold and silver is worth so much right now. "

"Since when did China and Russia represent the majority of the world in land/population/opinion? Don't take their rhetoric seriously... seriously."

"if this country just stuck with the gold standard, of course a modernized system, we would be so much better off right now am i right? gold and silver is worth so much right now. "

"SinGulaR said:

"TwoOneFive said:

"Hamz said:

"SinGulaR said:

"So you think a centralized world goverment wouldn't be stable?"

It would be stable. But far too many Western people would find they have to give up the private jets, sell some of the multiple sports cars and maybe downsize from a 20 bedroom mansion too a 5 bedroom semi."

so you are telling me you wouldn't want your on jet and a 20 bedroom mansion?"

Would you? I mean, I could understand wanting a jet. But a 20 bedroom mansion? If I had one I would just share it with the people I know. Let them all live there. Maybe I'm just to social for this time and age and should just go to bed."

what if it was the playboy mansion?

anyways...who here think this country is in need of a new American Revolution. Clearly nobody agrees with what the government is doing anymore. They passed the most expensive bill in the nations history without even reading it for crying out loud. They fight wars we don't know much about, or why we need to fight them. I mean, sure a few thousand people died on 9/11. but here we are all these years later and they're still telling us we need to fight terrorists. You know how many millions of people died from other serious causes since 9/11?!?! whats going on here?! 

ps. All I know this country is sooo far from what the founders created its really sad. 

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"China proposes new global currency and now Russia is backing it.

 these are just the small steps. There are a whole host of things that point to this possibility, what do you guys think?

"

My god people, we aren't going to be moving to a globalized currency any time soon. We Americans are too stubborn to do anything like that. Hell, we can't even switch to the metric system successfully. While I personally wouldn't mind a globalized currency, It's just not within the realm of possibility within the United States.

I'm a communist and generally regard most consipracy theories as utter nonsense, usually I think caused by misinformation as a means to stop anyone from coming to any real conclusions about whats going, as generally their effects upon people are utter defeatism and fatalism about the future ie the message is "There is no hope in changing the system so don't even try".
But I'm a communist so what do I know? ;)
http://www.socialistworld.net/

"DoMakeSayThink said:

"I'm a communist and generally regard most consipracy theories as utter nonsense, usually I think caused by misinformation as a means to stop anyone from coming to any real conclusions about whats going, as generally their effects upon people are utter defeatism and fatalism about the future ie the message is "There is no hope in changing the system so don't even try".But I'm a communist so what do I know? ;)http://www.socialistworld.net/"

Hey, nothing wrong with Commuinism, at least when it works the way its supposed to. Unfortunately we've never had a true Commuinism in the world, and thanks to Russia and China, it's gotten a bad rap. Thats not to say I'm all for converting to Commuinism, but I hope that no one gets on you for your ideas."

Was a while back now that was proposed. A world Gov't really isn't viable, yet it's not the only way to create unity.

"SinGulaR said:

Over time it may be possible, but as it is right now, every Westerner has several poorer people padding our lifestyle.  If you were to adopt a single currency and rid the world of borders the way society works now would quickly fail.

"TwoOneFive said:

"if this country just stuck with the gold standard, of course a modernized system, we would be so much better off right now am i right? gold and silver is worth so much right now. "

No, because gold and silver are not liquid. That would be like basing a currency on automobiles, it would be disastrous. "

"Shallimus said:

China isn't proposing a single global currency ... Remove tinfoil hats and breeeeaaaaathe.

Yeah, but tell all of this to that congresswoman from Minnesota who is telling everyone that lives in her country to be armed and dangerous because she thinks Obama wants there to be a global currency."

back when i was into A LOT of drugs, i was also into a lot of conspiracy shit.

"TwoOneFive said:

"if this country just stuck with the gold standard, of course a modernized system, we would be so much better off right now am i right? gold and silver is worth so much right now. "

No, because gold and silver are not liquid. That would be like basing a currency on automobiles, it would be disastrous. "

""SinGulaR said:

Over time it may be possible, but as it is right now, every Westerner has several poorer people padding our lifestyle.  If you were to adopt a single currency and rid the world of borders the way society works now would quickly fail.

There seems to be a fundamental misunderstanding on this thread. China isn't proposing a single global currency - in fact they would be very unlikely to suggest the idea, as it would remove their ability to manipulaste global markets and their ability to maintain high levels of exports by tweaking the value of their own national currency. The US dollar isn't going anywhere, and neither is the yuan.

What the Chinese are actually suggesting is a fuller implementation of IMF proposals from 40 years ago: instead of using the US dollar as the standard unit against which all other currencies are measured, countries would hold foreign currency reserves as the SDR (Special Drawing Right) as a virtual currency against which all others would be measured - but only for international exchange and reserve purposes. You won't see SDR notes in your wallet.

I'm not saying there are no decent conspiracy theories, but this one doesn't really get very far: to explain it, you need only accept that the Chinese are worried that their foreign currency reserves (which are largely held in USD) will be worth significantly less over time if the US economy bombs in a giant way... as it is doing right now.

Remove tinfoil hats and breeeeaaaaathe. If you are American, have a poor grasp of current events and economic theory and tend towards the paranoid, This Means You."

""SinGulaR said:

Over time it may be possible, but as it is right now, every Westerner has several poorer people padding our lifestyle.  If you were to adopt a single currency and rid the world of borders the way society works now would quickly fail.