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Posted by Still_I_Cry (2494 posts) -

I was walking through the city stree- No I wasn't, I was/am sitting in a building, in a hallway, waiting for class..

You came because you wanted to see if you were better than the unnamed people in the title didn't you? I bet you did. Before you accuse me of having a misleading title, bear with me for a moment or ten.

Ever hear someone say, "Gah, such and such must have had a 3rd grade education in whatevercountryhe/sheisfrom?" Of course you have, no experience is unique. There is only the illusion of uniqueness that individuals fabricate to make themselves feel special about their lives. Anyway, I loathe when people say this. The reason I loathe this is because the individuals [two women, gruff and marble voiced, you know the type] decided the woman in charge of cleaning the staff bathroom left something where they didn't like it. Something? Yes, something. That is awfully vague you say? It is, but this "something" is of no consequence, it was minor, a detail that need not be focused on. It really was nothing, I assure you. You will have to trust me.

After grating on about how this something inconvenienced them, they stated the woman [I assume the woman was of Spanish origin, they referenced San Domingo] had a third grade education. I don't understand what makes them think this. There is likely a language barrier, maybe the accused woman is working on learning English, maybe not, maybe that should be a requirement for individuals who, in their work, interact with English speakers. I have heard many a tale of people coming to the United States, well educated in their country, and being denied jobs because their degree is not recognized in the United States. Is the degree simply not up to standards? Maybe. Another scenario: People work lowly jobs in order to fund their education, we know someone who has been there, or we have been there ourselves. What gives them the right to insult the woman, behind her back, because she may have faltered in a meager task due to a language barrier, maybe not, maybe she was lazy.

Regardless, there are scenarios that exist in which baseless insults, are not all insults baseless? Yes, if they had base, they would not be insults would they? I apologize for the redundancy in that case! There exist scenarios in which people who have not had to work to achieve their goal [work as in, work at a lowly job] who deem themselves the judges, worthy of the title because they presume they are more educated. Sometimes this is justified, now, in this scenario, I cannot say whether it is or not. I can say they do not sound educated when they do nothing but assert and rant about something that is really nothing. Such assertions are not fair to the woman and it is wrong to assume you know her level of education and her city, country, birthplace. Your knowledge is based solely on the language she speaks. It really is not knowledge though, is it? There was no gathering of information, but what can we call it? Your uneducated thoughts perhaps? There are variants of Spanish, don't you know? No, you didn't. Not you, them, they didn't know I am sure of it! Had they known, they would have been able to accurately state where the object of their frustration had come from. They say, with authority, that she is from San Domingo. Is she Dominican? I don't know, maybe she is. Not all Dominicans come from San Domingo and I doubt- No, I am sure, they had not conversed with her before spouting their refined, superior, educated statements.

Oh well. This is the world, don't you agree? Can we fix it? No. What should we do? Nothing. Yes, nothing sounds perfectly fine to me.

Anyway, this must be wearing thin. Yes, it is, too much conjecture, too much what if, not enough facts at the table for the intellectual feast. I did not offer you a place at my table though, for my table is sparse and barren, there is no feast here. I simply posit the point that I do not believe such statements are fair and they only serve to debase the one who spouts them, for it is uneducated and ignorant to do so in many situations.

Oh, look at me! Judging, presuming, asserting, I am guilty of it too!

I feel it is good to end here, no explanation will resurrect my point, my standing has crumbled to pieces, there is no rebuilding it.

Move along, you are not welcome here any longer. I do not have food for your thoughts! Please, move along.

#1 Posted by Still_I_Cry (2494 posts) -

I was walking through the city stree- No I wasn't, I was/am sitting in a building, in a hallway, waiting for class..

You came because you wanted to see if you were better than the unnamed people in the title didn't you? I bet you did. Before you accuse me of having a misleading title, bear with me for a moment or ten.

Ever hear someone say, "Gah, such and such must have had a 3rd grade education in whatevercountryhe/sheisfrom?" Of course you have, no experience is unique. There is only the illusion of uniqueness that individuals fabricate to make themselves feel special about their lives. Anyway, I loathe when people say this. The reason I loathe this is because the individuals [two women, gruff and marble voiced, you know the type] decided the woman in charge of cleaning the staff bathroom left something where they didn't like it. Something? Yes, something. That is awfully vague you say? It is, but this "something" is of no consequence, it was minor, a detail that need not be focused on. It really was nothing, I assure you. You will have to trust me.

After grating on about how this something inconvenienced them, they stated the woman [I assume the woman was of Spanish origin, they referenced San Domingo] had a third grade education. I don't understand what makes them think this. There is likely a language barrier, maybe the accused woman is working on learning English, maybe not, maybe that should be a requirement for individuals who, in their work, interact with English speakers. I have heard many a tale of people coming to the United States, well educated in their country, and being denied jobs because their degree is not recognized in the United States. Is the degree simply not up to standards? Maybe. Another scenario: People work lowly jobs in order to fund their education, we know someone who has been there, or we have been there ourselves. What gives them the right to insult the woman, behind her back, because she may have faltered in a meager task due to a language barrier, maybe not, maybe she was lazy.

Regardless, there are scenarios that exist in which baseless insults, are not all insults baseless? Yes, if they had base, they would not be insults would they? I apologize for the redundancy in that case! There exist scenarios in which people who have not had to work to achieve their goal [work as in, work at a lowly job] who deem themselves the judges, worthy of the title because they presume they are more educated. Sometimes this is justified, now, in this scenario, I cannot say whether it is or not. I can say they do not sound educated when they do nothing but assert and rant about something that is really nothing. Such assertions are not fair to the woman and it is wrong to assume you know her level of education and her city, country, birthplace. Your knowledge is based solely on the language she speaks. It really is not knowledge though, is it? There was no gathering of information, but what can we call it? Your uneducated thoughts perhaps? There are variants of Spanish, don't you know? No, you didn't. Not you, them, they didn't know I am sure of it! Had they known, they would have been able to accurately state where the object of their frustration had come from. They say, with authority, that she is from San Domingo. Is she Dominican? I don't know, maybe she is. Not all Dominicans come from San Domingo and I doubt- No, I am sure, they had not conversed with her before spouting their refined, superior, educated statements.

Oh well. This is the world, don't you agree? Can we fix it? No. What should we do? Nothing. Yes, nothing sounds perfectly fine to me.

Anyway, this must be wearing thin. Yes, it is, too much conjecture, too much what if, not enough facts at the table for the intellectual feast. I did not offer you a place at my table though, for my table is sparse and barren, there is no feast here. I simply posit the point that I do not believe such statements are fair and they only serve to debase the one who spouts them, for it is uneducated and ignorant to do so in many situations.

Oh, look at me! Judging, presuming, asserting, I am guilty of it too!

I feel it is good to end here, no explanation will resurrect my point, my standing has crumbled to pieces, there is no rebuilding it.

Move along, you are not welcome here any longer. I do not have food for your thoughts! Please, move along.

#2 Posted by TheSouthernDandy (3924 posts) -

Punch them in the boob.

#3 Posted by Still_I_Cry (2494 posts) -

@TheSouthernDandy said:

Punch them in the boob.

That would only facilitate a cycle of violence or worse..Law suits O_O

#4 Posted by mrcool11 (469 posts) -

I am confused by this

#5 Posted by dopplerganger (82 posts) -

damn girl you so still cray cray.

#6 Posted by Still_I_Cry (2494 posts) -

@mrcool11 said:

I am confused by this

" I do not believe such statements are fair and they only serve to debase the one who spouts them, for it is uneducated and ignorant to do so in many situations."

It is your obligation to agree with me.

#7 Posted by Video_Game_King (36272 posts) -

@mrcool11 said:

I am confused by this

As am I. I've no clue where this is going.

#8 Posted by WMWA (1162 posts) -

This is what happens when you play Fez for too long

#9 Posted by Still_I_Cry (2494 posts) -

@Video_Game_King: Ever hear someone say, "Gah, such and such must have had a 3rd grade education in whatevercountryhe/sheisfrom?" Of course you have.. loathe when people say this. The reason I loathe this is because the individuals [two women, gruff and marble voiced, you know the type] decided the woman in charge of cleaning the staff bathroom left something where they didn't like it.

There exist scenarios in which people who have not had to work to achieve their goal [work as in, work at a lowly job] who deem themselves the judges, worthy of the title because they presume they are more educated. Sometimes this is justified, now, in this scenario, I cannot say whether it is or not. I can say they do not sound educated when they do nothing but assert and rant about something that is really nothing. Such assertions are not fair to the woman and it is wrong to assume you know her level of education and her city, country, birthplace. Your knowledge is based solely on the language she speaks.

They say, with authority, that she is from San Domingo. Is she Dominican? I don't know, maybe she is. Not all Dominicans come from San Domingo and I doubt- No, I am sure, they had not conversed with her before spouting their refined, superior, educated statements.

I simply posit the point that I do not believe such statements are fair and they only serve to debase the one who spouts them, for it is uneducated and ignorant to do so in many situations."

Boiled down :P

#10 Posted by Still_I_Cry (2494 posts) -

@wmaustin55 said:

This is what happens when you play Fez for too long

Maybe!

#11 Posted by BraveToaster (12588 posts) -

Don't worry about it. The dark god, Husasafress is coming to rid the world of humanity soon.

#12 Posted by Video_Game_King (36272 posts) -

@Still_I_Cry said:

Ever hear someone say, "Gah, such and such must have had a 3rd grade education in whatevercountryhe/sheisfrom?" Of course you have

No. I don't think I've ever heard somebody say that, or at least I can't ever remember anybody saying that. As for the rest, it seems like you don't want people to be judgmental buttholes? Is that the idea?

#13 Posted by Still_I_Cry (2494 posts) -

@BraveToaster said:

Don't worry about it. The dark god, Husasafress is coming to rid the world of humanity soon.

*Stifles a cheer*

Wait, how do you know this?!

#14 Posted by TheHumanDove (2523 posts) -

Interesting story.

Punch them in the boob

#15 Edited by Still_I_Cry (2494 posts) -

@Video_Game_King: Pretty much :) I didn't mean that literally though, the part about 3rd grade.

@TheHumanDove: That would only facilitate a cycle of violence or worse..Law suits O_O. Don't you people see!

:P

#16 Posted by BraveToaster (12588 posts) -

@Still_I_Cry said:

@BraveToaster said:

Don't worry about it. The dark god, Husasafress is coming to rid the world of humanity soon.

*Stifles a cheer*

Wait, how do you know this?!

Husasafress posts all of his thoughts and intentions on Twitter.

#17 Posted by Still_I_Cry (2494 posts) -

@BraveToaster: Another reason i should sign up for it. I could have been better prepared.

#18 Posted by Ravenlight (8011 posts) -

Too incoherent; didn't read.

#19 Posted by Still_I_Cry (2494 posts) -

@Ravenlight said:

Too incoherent; didn't read.

Just have to slow down a bit.

Was not incoherent :P

#20 Posted by No0b0rAmA (1478 posts) -

I've never said that someone has a 3rd grade education in whatever. Instead I call people fucking idiots. It's so much simpler.

#21 Posted by Guided_By_Tigers (8061 posts) -

Did you write this in your personal diary then decided to post it here as well just for kicks?

#22 Edited by Still_I_Cry (2494 posts) -

@Unknown_Pleasures: Nope, that was the style I was going for though. :)

@No0b0rAmA said:

I've never said that someone has a 3rd grade education in whatever. Instead I call people fucking idiots. It's so much simpler.

And it isn't assuming anything :)

#23 Posted by Ravenlight (8011 posts) -

@Still_I_Cry said:

@Ravenlight said:

Too incoherent; didn't read.

Just have to slow down a bit.

Was not incoherent :P

What I meant is:

Text was not periodically interrupted with pictures of cute animals; didn't read.

#24 Posted by Still_I_Cry (2494 posts) -

@Ravenlight said:

@Still_I_Cry said:

@Ravenlight said:

Too incoherent; didn't read.

Just have to slow down a bit.

Was not incoherent :P

What I meant is:

Text was not periodically interrupted with pictures of cute animals; didn't read.

I knew I should have included that kitty picture!

#25 Posted by Sin4profit (3002 posts) -

on all accounts, yes, yes i am.

#26 Posted by Still_I_Cry (2494 posts) -

@Sin4profit said:

on all accounts, yes, yes i am.

Yeah well...

Yes that is totally unrelated :P

#27 Posted by mrcool11 (469 posts) -
@Still_I_Cry said:

@mrcool11 said:

I am confused by this

" I do not believe such statements are fair and they only serve to debase the one who spouts them, for it is uneducated and ignorant to do so in many situations."

It is your obligation to agree with me.

I'm not confused by what you're trying to say, I'm confused by the mess of words you chose to say it. I'm finding it very difficult to figure out if you're just trolling or that's your writing style. Is English your first language?
I also find it very confusing that this particular situation is what motivated a short essay on the judgmental  nature of random women/humanity/yourself.
#28 Posted by Mr_Skeleton (5154 posts) -

@Still_I_Cry said:

@TheSouthernDandy said:

Punch them in the boob.

That would only facilitate a cycle of violence or worse..Law suits O_O

Punch the lawyers in the boob.

#29 Edited by Still_I_Cry (2494 posts) -

@mrcool11 said:

@Still_I_Cry said:

@mrcool11 said:

I am confused by this

" I do not believe such statements are fair and they only serve to debase the one who spouts them, for it is uneducated and ignorant to do so in many situations."

It is your obligation to agree with me.

I'm not confused by what you're trying to say, I'm confused by the mess of words you chose to say it. I'm finding it very difficult to figure out if you're just trolling or that's your writing style. Is English your first language? I also find it very confusing that this particular situation is what motivated a short essay on the judgmental nature of random women/humanity/yourself.

Yes, it is :P

I wanted it to be kind of like a mess of words, trailing off on random things to be honest..seems like it was too much though :D

That incident is actually what triggered this to be honest.

#30 Posted by Still_I_Cry (2494 posts) -

@Mr_Skeleton said:

@Still_I_Cry said:

@TheSouthernDandy said:

Punch them in the boob.

That would only facilitate a cycle of violence or worse..Law suits O_O

Punch the lawyers in the boob.

What if the lawyers are men >:(!?

#31 Posted by Phatmac (5726 posts) -

What? I uhh.. should go..

#32 Edited by Flawed_System (388 posts) -

@Still_I_Cry said:

@Mr_Skeleton said:

@Still_I_Cry said:

@TheSouthernDandy said:

Punch them in the boob.

That would only facilitate a cycle of violence or worse..Law suits O_O

Punch the lawyers in the boob.

What if the lawyers are men >:(!?

What have you got against man boobs? Hmmmm?

#33 Posted by Still_I_Cry (2494 posts) -

@Flawed_System said:

@Still_I_Cry said:

@Mr_Skeleton said:

@Still_I_Cry said:

@TheSouthernDandy said:

Punch them in the boob.

That would only facilitate a cycle of violence or worse..Law suits O_O

Punch the lawyers in the boob.

What if the lawyers are men >:(!?

What have you got against man boobs? Hmmmm?

Yes, I do. I am prejudiced.

#34 Posted by Brodehouse (10129 posts) -

Yes, because I got a machinehead.

Better than the rest.

#35 Posted by supermike6 (3641 posts) -

Your writing style makes you sound incredibly pretentious.

#36 Posted by Still_I_Cry (2494 posts) -

@supermike6 said:

Your writing style makes you sound incredibly pretentious.

What was pretentious about it?

I said "maybe" quite a bit, meaning I don't know.

I didn't use many, if any, "big words."

Wasn't going for the pretentious vibe to be honest.

:/

#37 Posted by Muerthoz (351 posts) -

I don't like to point out when I'm better/smarter than someone who isn't as educated as I am.
I DO like to point out when I'm better/smarter than someone who is supposedly more educated than I am.

#38 Posted by Still_I_Cry (2494 posts) -

@Muerthoz said:

I don't like to point out when I'm better/smarter than someone who isn't as educated as I am. I DO like to point out when I'm better/smarter than someone who is supposedly more educated than I am.

Hope you don't think that is what I was saying.

#39 Posted by JOURN3Y (230 posts) -

Oh boy, this is a pretty broad topic lol

The value of someone's intelligence is more than just a quality of schools attended, or the years of education. Just like Will Hunting from Good Will Hunting, someone's job as a janitor doesn't dictate how smart they are. I never like to assume something about somebody, although it is very to quickly judge someone (I do it too), I know it is wrong. You don't know what they are like without talking to them, a low income job or cheap attire doesn't say a lot about a person beyond the physical. Another person can judge you just as easily because of the car you drive or the people you associate with.

My one friend believe's that his degree is harder than mine. I tell him he is wrong. He rebuts with the amount of hours he has to slave to get his work done and such, but I still tell him he is wrong because you cannot compare the two on those values alone (also because I don't like it when he thinks he is right all the time :)). You have to take a look at the whole and everything to compare the details. Things are not always in a vertical scale, things are not always better or worse. Things can be on the same scale, the scale can go from left to right, in and out. You have to think beyond the up and down.

People make different life choices, have different values, are dealt with different cards, and have different life experiences. The best thing to do is the accept the differences in all of use instead of judging other people.

#40 Posted by Still_I_Cry (2494 posts) -

@JOURN3Y said:

Oh boy, this is a pretty broad topic lol

The value of someone's intelligence is more than just a quality of schools attended, or the years of education. Just like Will Hunting from Good Will Hunting, someone's job as a janitor doesn't dictate how smart they are. I never like to assume something about somebody, although it is very to quickly judge someone (I do it too), I know it is wrong. You don't know what they are like without talking to them, a low income job or cheap attire doesn't say a lot about a person beyond the physical. Another person can judge you just as easily because of the car you drive or the people you associate with.

My one friend believe's that his degree is harder than mine. I tell him he is wrong. He rebuts with the amount of hours he has to slave to get his work done and such, but I still tell him he is wrong because you cannot compare the two on those values alone (also because I don't like it when he thinks he is right all the time :)). You have to take a look at the whole and everything to compare the details. Things are not always in a vertical scale, things are not always better or worse. Things can be on the same scale, the scale can go from left to right, in and out. You have to think beyond the up and down.

People make different life choices, have different values, are dealt with different cards, and have different life experiences. The best thing to do is the accept the differences in all of use instead of judging other people.

Yes, thank you :D

That was my point.

#41 Posted by TheSouthernDandy (3924 posts) -

@Still_I_Cry said:

@Flawed_System said:

@Still_I_Cry said:

@Mr_Skeleton said:

@Still_I_Cry said:

@TheSouthernDandy said:

Punch them in the boob.

That would only facilitate a cycle of violence or worse..Law suits O_O

Punch the lawyers in the boob.

What if the lawyers are men >:(!?

What have you got against man boobs? Hmmmm?

Yes, I do. I am prejudiced.

Guys, there's a simple solution too all of this. If the lawyers are dudes, just find their mothers and punch THEM in the boob.

Problem solved.

#42 Posted by Still_I_Cry (2494 posts) -

@TheSouthernDandy said:

@Still_I_Cry said:

@Flawed_System said:

@Still_I_Cry said:

@Mr_Skeleton said:

@Still_I_Cry said:

@TheSouthernDandy said:

Punch them in the boob.

That would only facilitate a cycle of violence or worse..Law suits O_O

Punch the lawyers in the boob.

What if the lawyers are men >:(!?

What have you got against man boobs? Hmmmm?

Yes, I do. I am prejudiced.

Guys, there's a simple solution too all of this. If the lawyers are dudes, just find their mothers and punch THEM in the boob.

Problem solved.

But then the lawyers come again! Then I have to punch the mothers -again- and then the lawyers come and then the mother is waiting with a shotgun and blows a hole in my stomach.

#43 Posted by TruthTellah (9472 posts) -

@Still_I_Cry: Are you alright?

JOURN3Y did seem to explain your general point a bit better, but then, you still seem off. Are things okay in your life right now?

I definitely wouldn't say I'm better than you, but I can say I'm a bit worried about you. There's an odd incoherence and confusion to all of it that seems troubled.

Online
#44 Posted by DonutFever (3536 posts) -

So you're pretty high, huh?

#45 Edited by Still_I_Cry (2494 posts) -

@TruthTellah said:

@Still_I_Cry: Are you alright?

JOURN3Y did seem to explain your general point a bit better, but then, you still seem off. Are things okay in your life right now?

I definitely wouldn't say I'm better than you, but I can say I'm a bit worried about you. There's an odd incoherence and confusion to all of it that seems troubled.

Was going for this kind of style.

Thought I would try something different.

Perhaps I had a bit too much fun with it, sacrificing coherency.

#46 Edited by TruthTellah (9472 posts) -

@Still_I_Cry said:

@TruthTellah said:

@Still_I_Cry: Are you alright?

JOURN3Y did seem to explain your general point a bit better, but then, you still seem off. Are things okay in your life right now?

I definitely wouldn't say I'm better than you, but I can say I'm a bit worried about you. There's an odd incoherence and confusion to all of it that seems troubled.

Was going for this kind of style.

Thought I would try something different.

Perhaps I had a bit too much fun with it, sacrificing coherency.

Yeah... it comes off less like that and more like the troubled writings of Rorschach from Watchmen.

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#47 Edited by Still_I_Cry (2494 posts) -

@TruthTellah said:

@Still_I_Cry said:

@TruthTellah said:

@Still_I_Cry: Are you alright?

JOURN3Y did seem to explain your general point a bit better, but then, you still seem off. Are things okay in your life right now?

I definitely wouldn't say I'm better than you, but I can say I'm a bit worried about you. There's an odd incoherence and confusion to all of it that seems troubled.

Was going for this kind of style.

Thought I would try something different.

Perhaps I had a bit too much fun with it, sacrificing coherency.

Yeah... it comes off less like that and more like the troubled writings of Rorschach from Watchmen.

That's cool too!

:P

It wasn't meant to be in my voice, personally, though. Just want to clarify that. The points were mine, but not the style or any of that.

#48 Posted by TehFlan (1928 posts) -

Fake your own death?

#49 Posted by Still_I_Cry (2494 posts) -

@TehFlan: Sure, why not.

#50 Posted by mandude (2666 posts) -

I'm one of the people in question here. I can be having a lovely conversation with someone, but when it eventually comes up that I dropped out of secondary school, they go sour-faced and think of me as some sort of idiot, and the conversation quickly ends.

One time, I was conversing with a teller while cashing my considerably large paycheck, and she became condescending the moment she heard I dropped out (I prefer the term 'ascended above'). Ignorance is deeply rooted, I guess.