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#1 Edited by LD50 (412 posts) -

I don't live in the UK so I won't be watching it live. It's on Channel 4 and it's a two part series on the drug Ecstacy. Yesterday they had a debate on the subject, tonight they have two people taking it on live television for an hour or two. Here's a Vice article about the show they did yesterday:

"Well, the votes are in, and the count's findings are conclusive: Britain loves ecstasy. The party drug was the real winner last night on Drugs Live, a UK game show where a soldier named Phil, a lady priest named Hayley, and stern-faced We Need to Talk About Kevin writer Lionel Shriver (she's a woman) competed to see who could get the most wasted on MDMA in the name of “making TV history.”

http://www.vice.com/read/drugs-live-britain-loves-ecstasy

I've heard that studies have been done regarding the use of MDMA in psychology. Using it for treatment of PTSD and helping people with terminal diseases cope with end of like depression. Of course, I can't talk about any personal expirience as per forum rules. Here's the link to the web player for the show:

"Nearly half a million people are believed to take the Class A drug ecstasy every year in Britain and the country was dubbed the 'drug-taking capital of Europe' in a recent EU Drugs Agency report.

Now, in a UK television first, two live programmes will follow volunteers as they take MDMA, the pure form of ecstasy, as part of a ground-breaking scientific study."

http://watchlive.channel4.com/C4

If anyone watches it let me know how it turns out. In the meantime, any thoughts on the use of MDMA as a psychological aid or any other hallucinogens for that matter?

EDIT: Oh christ, the typo in the title. I wish I could fix that.

#2 Posted by DoctorDanger99 (687 posts) -

i honestly dont know if this is awesome or terrible. either way its damn fine television.

#3 Posted by alternate (2720 posts) -

I am in the UK, and could not care less. Seen enough people on E over the years when I used to go clubbing, don't need to see Lily Allen's dad off his tits thanks all the same.

#4 Posted by Mageman (349 posts) -

MDMA is the best drug ever imho and it deserves the name penicillin of the soul. Though ecstasy comedowns can be pretty fucking bad the day after the rave or event, not sure if the after effects are quite as horrible in the day after taking it in a controlled setting (never tried), but there is a comedown to be sure because of the chemical etc influence.

Any way the douchebags will probably overplay it because ''they are on TV woohoo omg asidanidaad''.

#5 Posted by kagato (962 posts) -

I too am in the UK, my girlfriend is watching it right now for some reason, i cant be bothered, i work in a a busy city centre and every Friday night i see enough idiots drugged up on this causing chaos in the early hours to know that ill just get angry at all the pro-legalisation types. Do what you want in the privacy of your own home or contain it to your clubs, but when it spills out onto the streets when im trying to get home we have a problem.

#6 Posted by TheHumanDove (2523 posts) -

Not working

#7 Posted by AlexW00d (6450 posts) -

@alternate said:

I am in the UK, and could not care less. Seen enough people on E over the years when I used to go clubbing, don't need to see Lily Allen's dad off his tits thanks all the same.

Keith Allen off his tits sounds pretty funny, but man that show sounds fucking pathetic. I also haven't heard of it 'til now, which makes sense as channel 4 is for scummy people.

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#8 Posted by Mageman (349 posts) -

@kagato said:

I too am in the UK, my girlfriend is watching it right now for some reason, i cant be bothered, i work in a a busy city centre and every Friday night i see enough idiots drugged up on this causing chaos in the early hours to know that ill just get angry at all the pro-legalisation types. Do what you want in the privacy of your own home or contain it to your clubs, but when it spills out onto the streets when im trying to get home we have a problem.

The main reason people want all drugs legalized is well for one, black markets are bad, it would be much better to have a freer market, and second it's hypocritical that 2 quite dangerous hard drugs are perfectly legal and not allowing for competition. Drugs aren't a problem to get but it would be better if the purchase of them would also be taxed.

#9 Posted by jonnyboy (2920 posts) -

No thanks, don't really see the point of this experiment, unless it's to find a way to make Keith Allen an even more obnoxious cunt.

#10 Posted by Aetheldod (3737 posts) -

Drugs are , bad enough said ..... and no I dont drink either and this sound like a very stupid tv idea.

#11 Posted by NlGHTCRAWLER (1210 posts) -

We Need To Talk About Kevin was awesome.

#12 Posted by haffy (674 posts) -

@Mageman said:

MDMA is the best drug ever imho and it deserves the name penicillin of the soul. Though ecstasy comedowns can be pretty fucking bad the day after the rave or event, not sure if the after effects are quite as horrible in the day after taking it in a controlled setting (never tried), but there is a comedown to be sure because of the chemical etc influence.

Any way the douchebags will probably overplay it because ''they are on TV woohoo omg asidanidaad''.

I don't think they'll go crazy for TV. I'd say most British people are pretty reserved on TV. Unless they're drunk.

#13 Posted by avidwriter (665 posts) -

So these people are fucking up theirs brains and bodies and possibly going to die for what?

#14 Posted by cheebaking (123 posts) -

There seems to be a distinct lack of drug education in this thread.

#15 Posted by WalkerTR77 (1390 posts) -

This is such pure Ianuccii. This is the kind of thing that would be right at home as a segment on The Day Today or Brass Eye. Channel 4 is a fucking joke, earlier tonight they had a show on called 'The Audience', which was just 50 people following a guy around in order to help him decide if he should have a year abroad (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o44OK2tjdA0).

What's next for channel 4? John Snow gets off his tits on mescaline? Jimmy Carr's T4 deathmatch?

#16 Edited by LD50 (412 posts) -

"Pure Ecstasy Is Safe, Canadian Doctor Says, But Don't Buy 'E' On The Street"

http://www.npr.org/blogs/health/2012/06/14/155033464/canadian-health-official-says-pure-ecstasy-is-safe

"People have horrible memories, and in psychotherapy the idea is that they should be able to talk about them. In PTSD, when faced with that prospect, it can be so overwhelming that they can't do it. So the rationale for using MDMA is that it allows people to open up." - Dr Robin Carhart-Harris

http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2012/sep/16/mdma-drug-experiment-channel-4

"Researchers from Birmingham University claimed the designer drug, also known as MDMA, could be used to treat leukaemia, lymphoma and myeloma after making it 100 times more effective at suppressing growth."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/science-news/8709920/Ecstasy-could-be-used-in-cancer-treatment.html

"Ten of the 12 patients (83%) who were given MDMA no longer showed PTSD symptoms after two months of treatment — in fact, they didn't even qualify as PTSD patients any more. Only two of the eight patients in the placebo group showed such improvement. Three MDMA patients who had told researchers they could not work because of their PTSD returned to their jobs after their MDMA sessions."

http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,2004887,00.html

#17 Posted by Mageman (349 posts) -

@avidwriter said:

So these people are fucking up theirs brains and bodies and possibly going to die for what?

lolwhat

@LD50 said:

"Pure Ecstasy Is Safe, Canadian Doctor Says, But Don't Buy 'E' On The Street"

http://www.npr.org/blogs/health/2012/06/14/155033464/canadian-health-official-says-pure-ecstasy-is-safe

"People have horrible memories, and in psychotherapy the idea is that they should be able to talk about them. In PTSD, when faced with that prospect, it can be so overwhelming that they can't do it. So the rationale for using MDMA is that it allows people to open up." - Dr Robin Carhart-Harris

http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2012/sep/16/mdma-drug-experiment-channel-4

It's true, there are many sites where you can check pills etc before popping them, better safe than sorry. You can't really be too careful with this stuff.

#18 Posted by Wong_Fei_Hung (634 posts) -

La de da adults taking drugs while on a live TV show, now that's sounds like a very fucking dull way to conduct such an experiment.

#19 Posted by DukesT3 (1945 posts) -

I've tried MDMA once when I was 18. Pretty fucking amazing experience.

#20 Posted by Milkman (17353 posts) -

If this happened in America, this country would literally collapse upon itself under pure outrage.

#21 Posted by Tim_the_Corsair (3065 posts) -

Meh, i have no problem with it being used to treat medical conditions or whatever; hell I have no issue with people taking drugs in general, do whatever you want as long as it doesn't impact me.

But considering how utterly obnoxious the majority of people get when they have used it, they can stay right the fuck away from me because watching you and your ugly slag girlfriend boning at a concert is most definitely impacting me.

That was on Tuesday, if anyone is wondering.

#22 Edited by benpicko (2006 posts) -

@AlexW00d said:

@alternate said:

I am in the UK, and could not care less. Seen enough people on E over the years when I used to go clubbing, don't need to see Lily Allen's dad off his tits thanks all the same.

Keith Allen off his tits sounds pretty funny, but man that show sounds fucking pathetic. I also haven't heard of it 'til now, which makes sense as channel 4 is for scummy people.

Skins, The Inbetweeners, and Misfits aren't for scummy people at all. I mean, scummy people do watch them, but they're not made specifically for them.

Edit: Then again, I watch them online and they're made for E4, not Channel 4. Also, this has Jon fucking Snow in it so I don't think I'll be able to watch it.

Edit 2: AND CHRISTIAN JESSEN?!? WHO PLANNED THIS THING?

#23 Posted by jking47 (1249 posts) -

@LD50 said:

If anyone watches it let me know how it turns out. In the meantime, any thoughts on the use of MDMA as a psychological aid or any other hallucinogens for that matter?

Just so you know, MDMA is not a hallucinogen. It is an amphetamine. Very big difference.

I would say that these kind of substances could have a use in medicine, but taking it on TV is fucking stupid. I don't even get what the point of watching people on MDMA is, not gonna be fun or anything.

#24 Posted by Arbie (1437 posts) -

This just sounds like some kind of gimmick to get viewer ratings and I dun like it one bit! Considering the state of the majority of people in this country the last thing we need is them thinking they have an argument for walking around the streets acting like dickweeds. I'm not against drugs, but I'm sure as hell against people who think taking them makes them quirky, or 'ard or any of the other moronic things most 'recreational' drug users refer to themselves as.

#25 Posted by kindone (2843 posts) -

Call me old-fashioned, but the thought of using drugs outside of contained usage such as prescriptions makes me sigh. Let's just fuck up the worlds productivity even more for the hell of it is what this means.

#26 Posted by TheVeteran13 (1219 posts) -

Drugs are for thugs...

and I believe this song accurately describes how I feel about thugs.

#27 Edited by benpicko (2006 posts) -

Anybody that's moaning in here actually watch it, or is it typical Giant Bomb cynicism?

#28 Posted by SirPsychoSexy (1331 posts) -

Sounds highly entertaining

#29 Edited by LD50 (412 posts) -

@jking47 said:

@LD50 said:

If anyone watches it let me know how it turns out. In the meantime, any thoughts on the use of MDMA as a psychological aid or any other hallucinogens for that matter?

Just so you know, MDMA is not a hallucinogen. It is an amphetamine. Very big difference.

I would say that these kind of substances could have a use in medicine, but taking it on TV is fucking stupid. I don't even get what the point of watching people on MDMA is, not gonna be fun or anything.

Gotcha. Should have said psychedelic drugs. Thanks.

#30 Posted by jking47 (1249 posts) -

@LD50 said:

@jking47 said:

@LD50 said:

If anyone watches it let me know how it turns out. In the meantime, any thoughts on the use of MDMA as a psychological aid or any other hallucinogens for that matter?

Just so you know, MDMA is not a hallucinogen. It is an amphetamine. Very big difference.

I would say that these kind of substances could have a use in medicine, but taking it on TV is fucking stupid. I don't even get what the point of watching people on MDMA is, not gonna be fun or anything.

Gotcha. Should have said psychedelic drugs. Thanks.

Heh, don't mean to keep correcting you but they are not psychedelics either. MDMA does not produce any hallucinations, so does not fall under either of those categories.

#31 Posted by LD50 (412 posts) -

@jking47 said:

@LD50 said:

@jking47 said:

@LD50 said:

If anyone watches it let me know how it turns out. In the meantime, any thoughts on the use of MDMA as a psychological aid or any other hallucinogens for that matter?

Just so you know, MDMA is not a hallucinogen. It is an amphetamine. Very big difference.

I would say that these kind of substances could have a use in medicine, but taking it on TV is fucking stupid. I don't even get what the point of watching people on MDMA is, not gonna be fun or anything.

Gotcha. Should have said psychedelic drugs. Thanks.

Heh, don't mean to keep correcting you but they are not psychedelics either. MDMA does not produce any hallucinations, so does not fall under either of those categories.

Huh, someone needs to fix wikipedia:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_psychedelic_drugs

And New Scientist Magazine:

"Drug dealers originally wanted to call MDMA "empathy" because of the powerful feelings of "loved up" warmth it induces. MDMA is also a stimulant and a mild psychedelic."

Ecstasy's long-term effects revealed

* Published on 11 February 2009

* In New Scientist Magazine, issue 2695

* by Graham Lawton

http://www.maps.org/media/view/ecstasys_long-term_effects_revealed/

;)

#32 Posted by jking47 (1249 posts) -

@LD50: Your right, someone should fix that. Secondary psychedelic properties are bullshit imho.

#33 Posted by Geurge (99 posts) -

Watching it now, only thing I'm going to say is that it shouldn't have been done live because watching these people trying to stay on time while live is just awkward.

Also, that doctor who talks to the patients after they come out of the brain scanner looks kinda like Cillian Murphy.

#34 Posted by Everyones_A_Critic (6311 posts) -

@Mageman said:

MDMA is the best drug ever imho and it deserves the name penicillin of the soul. Though ecstasy comedowns can be pretty fucking bad the day after the rave or event, not sure if the after effects are quite as horrible in the day after taking it in a controlled setting (never tried), but there is a comedown to be sure because of the chemical etc influence.

Any way the douchebags will probably overplay it because ''they are on TV woohoo omg asidanidaad''.

Yup. There's a supplement you can take to get rid of that comedown, it's called 5-HTP. It's a natural supplement your body converts to serotonin so your brian can replenish itself more quickly. Doesn't mean you should do it more often, but take one a day in the days after the roll and you won't get that depression after the fact.

#35 Posted by LD50 (412 posts) -

@jking47 said:

@LD50: Your right, someone should fix that. Secondary psychedelic properties are bullshit imho.

Fair enough bro. I capitulate, lol.

#36 Posted by Sploder (917 posts) -
@WalkerTR77 said:

This is such pure Ianuccii. This is the kind of thing that would be right at home as a segment on The Day Today or Brass Eye. Channel 4 is a fucking joke, earlier tonight they had a show on called 'The Audience', which was just 50 people following a guy around in order to help him decide if he should have a year abroad (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o44OK2tjdA0).

What's next for channel 4? John Snow gets off his tits on mescaline? Jimmy Carr's T4 deathmatch?

Don't tell me you wouldn't pay actual money to see John Snow off his tits on mescaline.
#37 Posted by GunslingerPanda (4860 posts) -

This doesn't sound like it was desperate grab for ratings at all!

#38 Posted by Mageman (349 posts) -

@ck1nd said:

Call me old-fashioned, but the thought of using drugs outside of contained usage such as prescriptions makes me sigh. Let's just fuck up the worlds productivity even more for the hell of it is what this means.

How do stimulants make you less productive ? I mean you don't really take MDMA for studying/working like you would with pure amphetamines but it's a leisure time activity.

@Everyones_A_Critic said:

@Mageman said:

MDMA is the best drug ever imho and it deserves the name penicillin of the soul. Though ecstasy comedowns can be pretty fucking bad the day after the rave or event, not sure if the after effects are quite as horrible in the day after taking it in a controlled setting (never tried), but there is a comedown to be sure because of the chemical etc influence.

Any way the douchebags will probably overplay it because ''they are on TV woohoo omg asidanidaad''.

Yup. There's a supplement you can take to get rid of that comedown, it's called 5-HTP. It's a natural supplement your body converts to serotonin so your brian can replenish itself more quickly. Doesn't mean you should do it more often, but take one a day in the days after the roll and you won't get that depression after the fact.

Yeah it seems to be OTC here, will keep in mind, thanks.

#39 Posted by jerseyscum (926 posts) -

@cheebaking said:

There seems to be a distinct lack of drug education in this thread.

Which can be easily solved by going and and doing drugs.

#40 Posted by Village_Guy (2667 posts) -

All I gotta say is... There's a million magical ways to say no!

#41 Posted by WalkerTR77 (1390 posts) -

@Sploder: Actually you're right. I absolutely would pay money for that. Though it would still be one of the signs of British TV collapsing into idiocy.

#42 Edited by Seppli (10250 posts) -

You love sugar and salt? Chocolate and coffee? You should give drugs a chance - you will love them too. Only advise - stick to the classics, and always be trippin', never be stayin'.

ALSO: Don't do drugs, kids.

#43 Posted by Panpipe (477 posts) -

@GunslingerPanda: What's wrong with getting ratings? This is Channel 4, not the BBC. They're obligated to their advertisers to get ratings.

Its not the TV company that should be blamed anyway, it's all the people that lap that shit up. It's like when I complain about gossip magazines and then realise the real problem is all the people buying the magazines with the dirtiest gossip.

#44 Posted by Snail (8663 posts) -

@Seppli said:

You love sugar and salt? Chocolate and coffee? You should give drugs a chance - you will love them too. Only advise - stick to the classics, and always be trippin', never be stayin'.

You realize people eat sugar and salt to survive, right?

#45 Posted by Freshbandito (689 posts) -

@Snail said:

@Seppli said:

You love sugar and salt? Chocolate and coffee? You should give drugs a chance - you will love them too. Only advise - stick to the classics, and always be trippin', never be stayin'.

You realize people eat sugar and salt to survive, right?

He's not saying they don't, just that if you love mood affecting chemicals you may love mood affecting chemicals.

Taking a 'party drug' under clinical conditions is hardly going to have been riveting tv either way, pipe some good old 3 hour long mixes of Josh Twink's Higher state of conciousness into the mri room along with a smokey atmosphere and now we're talking! clubbing in the 90's hoooooooooo!

#46 Posted by Snail (8663 posts) -

@Freshbandito said:

@Snail said:

@Seppli said:

You love sugar and salt? Chocolate and coffee? You should give drugs a chance - you will love them too. Only advise - stick to the classics, and always be trippin', never be stayin'.

You realize people eat sugar and salt to survive, right?

He's not saying they don't, just that if you love mood affecting chemicals you may love mood affecting chemicals.

He's implying that if one enjoys sugar or salt it's because they are mood affecting chemicals. That's ridiculous.

#47 Posted by thomasnash (585 posts) -

@kagato: I think the driving force behind it isn't legalisation. It's David Nutt trying to convince us that scientists need to be able to study MDMA for its possible medicinal uses. You might think that's the thin end of the wedge, I don't know. David Nutt is probably pro decriminalisation as well, but I don't know whether that's the point of the programme (because I didn't watch it).

Honestly it just seemed like one of Channel 4's periodic "yeah, we're messing with your whole morality, yeah?" things. It's produced good stuff in the past (Tony Harrison reading V) but especially these days it feels like they're trying to recapture past glories with slightly underbaked "controversial" programming. Now that they're the network running E4 and showing 2 Broke Girls it's difficult to really think of them as intellectual agitators anymore.

#48 Posted by Soap (3646 posts) -

I didn't watch it, it sounded pretty dumb. Did I miss any funny moments though?

#49 Posted by Red12b (9085 posts) -

@Aetheldod said:

Drugs are , bad enough said ..... and no I dont drink either and this sound like a very stupid tv idea.

well...no

#50 Posted by Mageman (349 posts) -

@Seppli said:

You love sugar and salt? Chocolate and coffee? You should give drugs a chance - you will love them too. Only advise - stick to the classics, and always be trippin', never be stayin'.

ALSO: Don't do drugs, kids.

Everyone who ever took cough syrup and coffee and is now criticizing ''drugs in general (which is stupid but what ever)'' is a filthy hypocrite.@Snail said:

@Seppli said:

You love sugar and salt? Chocolate and coffee? You should give drugs a chance - you will love them too. Only advise - stick to the classics, and always be trippin', never be stayin'.

You realize people eat sugar and salt to survive, right?

You realize mdma has potential to help some people to survive, right ?