@mmmslash: I really don't. But science seems to disagree with you. Also I've tried it myself by eating copious amounts of fats instead of carbs and lost a lot of weight with no exercise. And yes, my cholesterol and blood levels is fine. More than fine, even.
Science 100% agrees with him. Energy is energy. Kcalories are a metric of energy, not a specific variation. It's all ATP and nothing else. The misconception you're making is a difference in health benefits, which has nothing to do with kcalories and more with the source you take it from.
This I say as somone who has been keeping up on research and attended many seminars by the likes of Asker Jeukendrup.
You're also both wrong about sugar. Beyond thinking your body does not store excess kcalories if you don't consume carbohydrates (like... what?), it's also completely possible to eat a diet that is comprised of 80% sugar and lose weight drastically. Nutrition is much more nuanced than you seem to understand. Statements like 'sugar is the devil' is a clear tell sign someone has no idea what they're talking about. Whenever someone tries to blame weight gain on any one or two specific nutrients, they are always wrong.
As far as keto-diets go, the actual research, and I mean legitimate research, not whatever you have been reading, is still inconclusive. Most signs point towards it being sub-optimal, where others show some promise. The only thing that has been proven is that it decreases your physical performance significantly.
Yes, energy is energy. And yes, kcal is a metric of energy. When did I say otherwise? All I was saying is that kcal in/out does not apply to dieting as the human body is not a closed system.
And please do tell which actual, legitimate research you are referring to. Is anyone of them RCT studies published to JAMA or NEJM or similar well regarded science journals?
Wrong. Extremely wrong. If you consume less energy then you expend, you will lose weight. Not a single study has been able to prove otherwise.
I'm talking RCT's, systematic reviews and, oh you know, professional guidelines, among others like lectures from professors I was talking about earlier. Not to mention results from my own work and that of colleagues. I'm not interested in started a science link debate since it's painfully obvious you're not educated on this subject at all, naming JAMA and NEJM before you even do the simple ones where stuff gets published first like ajcn or the highest regarded evidence based practice studies that are meta-analysis but instead list RCT's which can be debunked in before mentioned meta-analysis. From your tone I can gather I shouldn't have replied to you against my better judgment.
But trust me, I know what I'm talking about. I wouldn't have clients if it were otherwise since I'm under review a couple a times a year to keep them.
I'll use this opportunity to repeat myself: @matoya do yourself a favor and go to a dietitian. While there is some good advice hidden in this thread, most of it are unproven and often debunked hypes. You must understand there is a difference in getting educated from a professional with real in depth knowledge and getting advice from people who play videogames, read some stuff on the internet and think they suddenly are an expert. As someone who happens to be earning his living in this field, I can tell you that's what's happening here.
Keto is still a controversial science since there are a lot of people in your profession that ignores it's health benefits for some reason even though there have been numerous legitimate, actual science about this. I trust that you think you know what you are talking about. Just because you are under review and have clients doesn't mean your professional guidelines is entirely correct. This is the very problem Robert H. Lustig and Gary Taubes and others have been talking about.
And yes, not a single study have proven that you will not lose weight by starving yourself. I'm not going to argue with that. Also not a single study have been about proving the reverse either so hardly surprising. I just know from my own and others experience that you can very easily eat more than you expend on a keto diet and still lose weight. And if not that, it will be very hard to gain weight by eating excess calories on a keto diet.
The science I was referring to in my first comment was more about that low carb diets have been proven most successful for weight loss, and that the classic "eat less" and kcal in/out guideline seems incorrect since you can definitely lose a lot of weight without counting calories or feeling hungry.
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