#1 Edited by Maystack (902 posts) -
#2 Edited by kishinfoulux (2513 posts) -

That's nice.

*continues to pronounce with a "G"*

#3 Edited by SlashDance (1843 posts) -

The Gif creator can go suck a d*** !

#4 Edited by Fozimuth (168 posts) -

The g is for graphics, and we don't pronounce that "jraphics."

Giraffics.

#5 Posted by jkz (4059 posts) -
@fozimuth said:

The g is for graphics, and we don't pronounce that "jraphics."

Giraffics.

#6 Posted by BeachThunder (12416 posts) -

@fozimuth said:

The g is for graphics, and we don't pronounce that "jraphics."

Giraffics.

I would watch Giraffe Olympics.

#7 Edited by thaijedi (138 posts) -

"Welcome, to Giraffic Park"

#8 Posted by Humanity (10090 posts) -

My own personal battle is with the overwhelming majority of the planet that say SNES as s'ness instead of Es-En-Ee-Es.

#9 Posted by Hero_Swe (1205 posts) -

Jood Luck to that.

#10 Posted by TruthTellah (9472 posts) -

@maystack: Even the greatest among us can be horribly, horribly wrong. Unfortunately, he seems to not understand how language works. Just because you invent a term, it doesn't mean you own how it is truly said. It evolves beyond you. Natural language is what becomes accepted, not what was intended.

So, here's an animated "giff" in honor of your flawed but still great self!

http://s3-ec.buzzfed.com/static/enhanced/webdr01/2012/12/17/11/anigif_enhanced-buzz-13752-1355762809-25.gif

#11 Edited by stalefishies (344 posts) -

@maystack: Even the greatest among us can be horribly, horribly wrong. Unfortunately, he seems to not understand how language works. Just because you invent a term, it doesn't mean you own how it is truly said. It evolves beyond you. Natural language is what becomes accepted, not what was intended.

So, here's an animated "giff" in honor of your flawed but still great self!

There are plenty of languages which are explicitly defined, but that doesn't make them any less of a language. I personally don't care at all whether people pronounce it with a hard or soft g, after all it's a really difficult thing to change your pronunciation of a word when you're used to saying it one way. I don't want people to change their pronunciation, I just want those who say it with a hard g to admit that they're wrong.

#12 Edited by ShadowConqueror (3085 posts) -

Old news. His opinion doesn't really matter, though.

#13 Edited by ExplodeMode (852 posts) -

Even if he's right, he's wrong.

#14 Edited by believer258 (12191 posts) -

@truthtellah said:

@maystack: Even the greatest among us can be horribly, horribly wrong. Unfortunately, he seems to not understand how language works. Just because you invent a term, it doesn't mean you own how it is truly said. It evolves beyond you. Natural language is what becomes accepted, not what was intended.

So, here's an animated "giff" in honor of your flawed but still great self!

There are plenty of languages which are explicitly defined, but that doesn't make them any less of a language. I personally don't care at all whether people pronounce it with a hard or soft g, after all it's a really difficult thing to change your pronunciation of a word when you're used to saying it one way. I don't want people to change their pronunciation, I just want those who say it with a hard g to admit that they're wrong.

The problem with this is that I am not wrong. We do not call it "Jiraphics Interchange Format", it's "Graphics Interchange Format". That's a pretty hard "G". Not to mention that the soft g goes to "gib".

#15 Edited by EchoEcho (837 posts) -

@believer258: Yes, but "gib" is short for "giblet" -- it's the beginning of the word with the end chopped off, so of course it would be pronounced the same as the whole word that it's short for. "GIF", on the other hand, is an acronym that is pronounced as a word to shorten the amount of time it takes to say it. As "GIF" in and of itself is not part of a longer word, it is not beholden to the pronunciation that this nonexistent word would have.

There are many, many acronyms spoken as words that are not pronounced with their constituent words in mind. "NATO", for example -- the "A" in NATO stands for "Atlantic", and yet it's universally pronounced with a long A sound and not a short one. AWOL is another example of the exact same thing.

At the end of the day, there is no argument to be made that the word "Graphics" should have any effect on the pronunciation of the word when we gleefully ignore such things with hundreds of other acronyms. The creator of the format says it's pronounced with a soft G, and if we need an explanation why, I'd say probably because it rolls off the tongue a lot easier than "gif" with a hard G does.

#16 Posted by audioBusting (1649 posts) -

I'm curious how he pronounces GUI.

#17 Posted by MildMolasses (3229 posts) -

@humanity said:

My own personal battle is with the overwhelming majority of the planet that say SNES as s'ness instead of Es-En-Ee-Es.

I'm with you. I also call the NES a Nintendo

I will give you the reason why I pronounce it Jiff and why that will never change. In high school, my friend Jeff had a bunch of porn gifs on his computer. His brother found them, and from that point on his brother referred to him as Jiff. Between this wordplay, and the creators declaration, there is no reason for anyone to defend the hard G

#18 Posted by Dethfish (3697 posts) -

Nope, that's wrong. He doesn't know what he's talking about.

#19 Posted by Nightriff (5353 posts) -

He really says it is supposed to be jif? Are we sure we created these wonderful things?

#20 Posted by Humanity (10090 posts) -

@mildmolasses: I believe Europeans are much more susceptible to saying GIF with a soft g-like-in-ground sort of way because that is a much more common pronunciation of that letter in that part of the world. Especially eastern Europe.

I have always said it with a soft G.

Other common formats I pronounce:

Jay-Peg

Pee-En-Gee

Tiff

Pee-Es-Dee

X-BOX Uno

#21 Edited by crusader8463 (14429 posts) -

Think of the things we could accomplish in this world if all the effort wasted on stupid pronunciation of words like this were directed to something important.

#22 Edited by Bollard (5851 posts) -
#23 Edited by GnomeonFire (778 posts) -

Mmmm Peanut Butter.

#24 Posted by Snail (8661 posts) -

Yep, he's wrong.

#25 Edited by Brackynews (4094 posts) -
#26 Posted by ajamafalous (12158 posts) -

Incredibly old news. I mean, I remember the debate coming up back when I was in high school (nearly a decade ago) and, although the inventor said the proper pronunciation was jiff, everyone decided "hey, that sounds fucking dumb, so we're gonna continue saying gif instead."

#27 Posted by Bollard (5851 posts) -

/thread

#28 Edited by colorbrandon (166 posts) -

Gift now becomes "Jift" and Girl now becomes "Jirl."

#29 Edited by Sergio (2249 posts) -

@fozimuth said:

The g is for graphics, and we don't pronounce that "jraphics."

Giraffics.

Laser stood for Light Amplification by Stimulated Emission of Radiation. We don't pronounce it laas-er. It doesn't matter what the letter in the acronym sounded like in the original word.

Since he created it, he named it using a soft-g. That makes it a correct way of pronouncing it, if not the correct way to pronounce it. Since language evolves, you could say it with a hard-g if you like, but expect some people to correct you. So it comes down to either both pronunciations being acceptable, or only the soft-g being correct - only hard-g alone is wrong.

#30 Posted by mordukai (7185 posts) -

The Gif creator can go suck a d*** !

Now is that a hard D or soft?!

#31 Posted by Veektarius (5021 posts) -

@humanity said:

My own personal battle is with the overwhelming majority of the planet that say SNES as s'ness instead of Es-En-Ee-Es.

I pronounce it your way, but I think in typical conversation, it is called a Super Nintendo. Ryan is the primary source of my hearing the pronunciation "Sness" (I don't know what the glottal stop in your own spelling represents, because I've never heard it called "ess-ness") but since Ryan habitually mispronounces words, that has little influence on me.

#32 Edited by TwoLines (2841 posts) -

That's nice.

*continues to pronounce with a "G"*

Yep. Same.

#33 Edited by Soap (3642 posts) -

How can the guy who invented it not even know how to say it? Jif? Talk about wrong! It's GIF!

#34 Edited by NTM (7543 posts) -
#35 Posted by zoozilla (984 posts) -

@thaijedi said:

"Welcome, to Giraffic Park"

I think this thread has achieved its maximum potential.

#36 Posted by Winternet (8054 posts) -

He's obviously way too close to his creation to see the big picture. It happens.

#37 Edited by ArbitraryWater (12115 posts) -

Jiff is a brand of peanut butter. If we accept this man's pronunciation as truth, we are violating copyright every time we use it.

#38 Edited by Saethir (352 posts) -

@mordukai said:

@slashdance said:

The Gif creator can go suck a d*** !

Now is that a hard D or soft?!

Hahahaha. I'm a child.

#39 Edited by Fozimuth (168 posts) -

@sergio:

The L makes the same sound in laser and light. It's still an L sound. Well, what else sound can an L make? What sound the letter makes in the acronym isn't relevant to how it is in the word, sure. But now that I've thought of the Giraffics, I don't think I can ever use the jif pronunciation in any seriousness even if I wanted to.

#40 Posted by TruthTellah (9472 posts) -

@truthtellah said:

@maystack: Even the greatest among us can be horribly, horribly wrong. Unfortunately, he seems to not understand how language works. Just because you invent a term, it doesn't mean you own how it is truly said. It evolves beyond you. Natural language is what becomes accepted, not what was intended.

So, here's an animated "giff" in honor of your flawed but still great self!

There are plenty of languages which are explicitly defined, but that doesn't make them any less of a language. I personally don't care at all whether people pronounce it with a hard or soft g, after all it's a really difficult thing to change your pronunciation of a word when you're used to saying it one way. I don't want people to change their pronunciation, I just want those who say it with a hard g to admit that they're wrong.

heh. Well, people aren't wrong to pronounce it differently. While you're right that some languages and even certain words are specifically defined, gif is simply not one of them. The inventor can believe what he likes, but he's mistaken to suggest that inventing the term means he owns it forever. Words evolve, and while he might want to embrace a troglodyte pronunciation, others don't have to be held to that. Both the inventor and other people are right in their pronunciation and have nothing to admit to anyone.

#41 Posted by deathstriker666 (1337 posts) -

heh. Well, people aren't wrong to pronounce it differently. While you're right that some languages and even certain words are specifically defined, gif is simply not one of them. The inventor can believe what he likes, but he's mistaken to suggest that inventing the term means he owns it forever. Words evolve, and while he might want to embrace a troglodyte pronunciation

Definitions evolve, yes, but accents and dialects do not. I think Oxford has the right idea here, whether pronouncing GIF as in gift or GIF as in Jiff both pronunciations are valid because either are notable enough to given inclusion. When one falls out for another then we can definitely define the most commonly pronounced way to say GIF, but that time doesn't look to be any soon.

#42 Edited by TruthTellah (9472 posts) -

@truthtellah said:

heh. Well, people aren't wrong to pronounce it differently. While you're right that some languages and even certain words are specifically defined, gif is simply not one of them. The inventor can believe what he likes, but he's mistaken to suggest that inventing the term means he owns it forever. Words evolve, and while he might want to embrace a troglodyte pronunciation

Definitions evolve, yes, but accents and dialects do not. I think Oxford has the right idea here, whether pronouncing GIF as in gift or GIF as in Jiff both pronunciations are valid because either are notable enough to given inclusion. When one falls out for another then we can definitely define the most commonly pronounced way to say GIF, but that time doesn't look to be any soon.

What makes you think pronunciations don't evolve? In a short time, many terms and abbreviations can change quite a bit. For example, "LOL" has changed dramatically in a few decades. It used to be exclusively pronounced "El. Oh. El.", but its use has led to "loal". Priorily-accepted pronunciations can change, and they often do. This is especially true of words commonly used on the Internet. Words are fluid, and while there can be an academically-accepted pronunciation(as with Oxford), that doesn't mean it never changes.

Oxford has noted changes, and they even make note of old or archaic pronunciations. In this case, the majority of people pronounce it as "giff" regardless of the original intent. Language is about communication, and effective communication takes precedence over any kind of original intent. When someone says "giff", people generally understand what they mean, but "jiff" is much more likely to lead to some level of confusion. I believe there is more reason to consider "jiff" as the "wrong" pronunciation, but I think it is understandable to accept both of them as correct in their own way.

For me, regardless of any original intent, I know that "giff" will more effectively convey what I mean, and I will thus use it over "jiff".

#43 Posted by TheHT (11786 posts) -

too late. it's beyond his control.

#44 Edited by PillClinton (3295 posts) -

I'm curious how he pronounces GUI.

That's anti-semitic.