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#1 Posted by falserelic (4947 posts) -


#2 Posted by falserelic (4947 posts) -

I know that people claim that being in hypnosis actually works. Some people say it helps ease there life problems, or help them remember unresolved issues. I've never been hypnotized so I can't say for sure. But judging from people's reactions it seems like abunch of bullshit to me. Especially when I see vids such as this.

Anyway whats your thoughts about hypnosis?

#3 Posted by Funkydupe (3293 posts) -

Its BS, just like Verizon.

#4 Posted by Tylea002 (2291 posts) -

Oh it's totally a thing. I believe that talented people can influence your stimuli in subconcious ways to get subconcious reactions. That's 100% a thing that people do. It's just influencing the brain. It probably could help with memory/life issues, likely out of a placebo effect (never underestimate the human potential to improve itself when it thinks it's not responsible for it, also hence why it won't work on skeptics) and also because the brain isn't set in stone, it can be subliminally influenced.

Most of the people who claim it will save your life are clearly scammers though, it's not all it's cracked up to be and it does depend on the placebo effect - but I do "believe" in it.

#5 Posted by Dagbiker (6898 posts) -

If it was real, then we would all think it was real, because they would hypnotize you into going every week, if not every day.

#6 Posted by Video_Game_King (34609 posts) -

Isn't it that type of psychosomatic shit that only happens because you believe it happens?

#7 Posted by falserelic (4947 posts) -

@Video_Game_King said:

Isn't it that type of psychosomatic shit that only happens because you believe it happens?

Seems like it, but then again I don't know.

#8 Posted by Bubahula (2197 posts) -

Hypnosis in the sense of planting ideas, and being able to control peoples actions is just all a show. But there are actual times when hypnotizing somebody into a trance like state has practical applications. Although if a participant truly believes in it, the placebo effect can make crazy things happen.

#9 Edited by CptBedlam (4439 posts) -

I guess it's real. But not in the way it's portrayed in tv shows ("you are a monkey now!" etc.). It's probably a possibility to access someones subconsciousness or suppressed memories or something.

#10 Posted by TheDudeOfGaming (6077 posts) -

It kind of works but only as far as being able to play tricks on the human mind. You can't actually program someone to do something you want...unless you're the CIA.

#11 Posted by Landon (4115 posts) -

Hypnosis that helps you sleep or recall distant memories is a real thing, the stuff they put on tv like "when I snap my fingers you will behave like a dog" is all bullshit.

#12 Edited by Hunter5024 (5173 posts) -

One time a hypnotist came to my school and took random students from the audience and hypnotized them. I know it was random because half the crowd scrambled up there and I came with one of the people he did it to. He made them forget about specific numbers, pretend they were driving, and dance. To this day I'm not sure whether or not it was real, because I doubt all 25 of them would play along if it wasnt, but it's still kind of hard to believe. Also I am inclined to believe that using hypnosis to drag out memories totally works.

#13 Edited by handlas (2545 posts) -

Nope. None of it. The people being put into hypnosis to "recall memories" are more likely having "memories" planted into their mind by the hypnosis. And the stage people that are made to act like a dog or whatever are just attention whores hamming it up for the audience... small minded folk willing to play along.

That Penn and Teller Bullsh*t episode about it was funny.

#14 Posted by Sweep (8541 posts) -

I was pretty cynical about it until I saw a room full of my friends hypnotised to believe that they were being attacked by an elephant.

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#15 Posted by Video_Game_King (34609 posts) -

@Sweep said:

I was pretty cynical about it until I saw a room full of my friends hypnotised to believe that they were being attacked by an elephant.

You mean you started believing in hypnosis after a night of heavy drinking?

#16 Edited by L44 (510 posts) -

X-Files taught me so.

#17 Posted by JasonR86 (9378 posts) -

It's not really a matter of being 'real' or 'fake'. It's a matter of whether or not the person being subjected to the hypnosis is susceptible to strong suggestion or not.

#18 Posted by Sweep (8541 posts) -

@Video_Game_King said:

@Sweep said:

I was pretty cynical about it until I saw a room full of my friends hypnotised to believe that they were being attacked by an elephant.

You mean you started believing in hypnosis after a night of heavy drinking?

I believe in many things after a night of heavy drinking, but that is not one of them. I seen that shit with my eyes, son. With my eyes.

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#19 Posted by falserelic (4947 posts) -

I think one of the most weird hypnosis I've seen was this..

This preacher who claims to have healing powers. Manage to make everyone in church spaz out. Either he paid alot of those people to act or there just nuts. But I guess the only true way to find out if hypnosis is real is to try it.

#20 Posted by Video_Game_King (34609 posts) -

@Sweep said:

I seen that shit with my eyes, son. With my eyes.

You can still see when you're drunk....maybe. It's entirely possible you drink spirits powerful enough to blind a man.

#21 Posted by ripelivejam (2790 posts) -

is the human mind pretty easily manipulated and suggestible? yes.

can people go into some sort of limited trance-like state through certain methods? probably, though i think it's a combination of condition of your own thought processes and calming of heart rate/metabolic processes, more of a state of mind.

is 90% of hypnosis and what it purports to cause people to do bullshit? most definitely. i recall an assembly i had in middle school where there was a "hypnotist", who at the end of the fucking thing supposedly got all his volunteers (i think like twenty of them) collectively hypnotized and got them to dance around the chairs doing the chicken dance. even at that tender age i knew it was complete horseshit and they were all just playing along. would've loved to be one of them and just sit there doing nothing. :)

#22 Posted by FreakAche (2938 posts) -

Does hypnosis exist? Yes.

Does the pop culture depiction of hypnosis exist? No.

#23 Posted by captain_clayman (3300 posts) -

Hypnosis is technically a real thing, but it's not even close to how it's portrayed in media. From what I've learned about hypnosis, someone can be lulled into a state of heightened suggestibility. When someone does the swinging watch thing or something similar, there is a chance that it could make the person more inclined to accept the hypnotists suggestions. Hypnosis does NOT cause people to remember supressed memories. Scumbag hypnotists phrase questions in a way that makes their patients victims remember things that didn't happen. The subject may be convinced that they were, for example, molested as a child even if it didn't happen. The rephrasing of questions is especially effective if the subject is trying to confirm something they already think happened (confirmation bias).

Also, some people are more easily hypnotized than others. People who want to be hypnotized (like desperate churchgoers in those faith healing sessions) are much more susceptible.

#24 Posted by AngelN7 (2959 posts) -

"Try it go ahead... that's right walk away"

So yeah total BS.

#25 Posted by Wrighteous86 (3642 posts) -

I've been hypnotized. It's fake.

#26 Posted by falserelic (4947 posts) -

Its good to hear some of the feedback about hypnosis. Reading some of the posts gave me better insight of how the process works.

#27 Posted by AlisterCat (5398 posts) -

Hypnosis has been used in Surgery. That's no joke. I don't know about hypnosis as entertainment though.

#28 Posted by NTM (7033 posts) -

Fake.

#29 Posted by superfoot (50 posts) -

@handlas said:

Nope. None of it. The people being put into hypnosis to "recall memories" are more likely having "memories" planted into their mind by the hypnosis. And the stage people that are made to act like a dog or whatever are just attention whores hamming it up for the audience... small minded folk willing to play along.

That Penn and Teller Bullsh*t episode about it was funny.

I'm inclined to think its all nonsense myself but how can it all be fake but still be able to implant memories?

#30 Edited by FilipHolm (663 posts) -

@Video_Game_King said:

Isn't it that type of psychosomatic shit that only happens because you believe it happens?

Technically that means it DOES work doesn't it? It doesn't matter the reason why you're in that state, you're in it and therefore are "Hypnotised"

Am I wrong?

#31 Posted by Video_Game_King (34609 posts) -

@FilipHolm:

I thought it meant that it doesn't work, and that your mind is doing all the work. Related to the placebo effect, right?

#32 Edited by handlas (2545 posts) -

@superfoot said:

@handlas said:

Nope. None of it. The people being put into hypnosis to "recall memories" are more likely having "memories" planted into their mind by the hypnosis. And the stage people that are made to act like a dog or whatever are just attention whores hamming it up for the audience... small minded folk willing to play along.

That Penn and Teller Bullsh*t episode about it was funny.

I'm inclined to think its all nonsense myself but how can it all be fake but still be able to implant memories?

Just my opinion on what I've seen and much smarter people than I that have investigated such things but a person being hypnotized is there mostly likely because they chose to be there. Thus, they are inclined to believe in it and are easily persuaded by what the person performing the hypnosis might suggest to them. Like any other scam artist... Psychics for example, where they ask a ton of question and when one hits they latch onto it. The person being asked the questions is probably there because they are open to believing in the nonsense. Basically I guess I'm saying the mind is a powerful thing. If you want and someone else wants you to believe something happened... then you may very well believe it to be fact.

I can't explain it eloquently. I suggest watching the Penn and Teller BS episode or James Randi's old show where he exposes people that believe (or don't believe but do it for a profit) they have powers like being psychic.

This vid for example:

I know hypnosis and psychics are not exactly the same thing but I'm sure there are correlations in how they operate with the people they work with. If hypnosis really works then show me the facts of it doing so at least.

James Randi is my heeero.

EDIT: Better yet... a definition of hypnosis from the James Randi Education Foundation's website. Basically what I was trying to say through my ramblings but in a much more succinct way.

"Since there are no adequate definitions of trance and no means whereby one can test for that state, it appears more likely that hypnotism is a mutual agreement of the operator and the subject that the subject will cooperate in following suggestions and in acting out various suggested scenarios. As such, hypnotism may be a valuable tool in psychology."

#33 Posted by mscupcakes (610 posts) -

If you can link us to any peer reviewed papers documenting hypnosis then I can accept it.

#34 Posted by Gamer_152 (13975 posts) -

@falserelic: It's a real thing, this isn't even vaguely disputed. It's an academically studied, documentable, easily replicable psychological phenomenon, I studied it in college. If you're looking for answers about our world, don't learn about it with YouTube clips from bad stage shows, or just look at your first-hand experience, read about it from qualified people who are actually doing objective studies and experiments. Just because you haven't experienced something first-hand doesn't mean that it doesn't exist. You've never been to Mars, looked at an atom through a microscope, or lived through World War II, but you wouldn't dispute the existence of any of these things because people have studied them, and documented them with sufficient evidence.

Of course hypnosis doesn't just let you jack people's minds on the spot and let you do anything to anyone, or anything near that, and there has been considerable debate about the exact nature of hypnosis, but you don't have to look into the subject much at all to confirm that it's real.

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#35 Posted by Video_Game_King (34609 posts) -

@Gamer_152 said:

Of course hypnosis doesn't just let you jack people's minds on the spot and let you do anything to anyone, or anything near that, and there has been considerable debate about the exact nature of hypnosis, but you don't have to look into the subject much at all to confirm that it's real.

At this point, I have to ask what exactly hypnosis is if its nature is as heavily disputed as it is. What about hypnosis is real?

#36 Posted by ExplodeMode (852 posts) -

@falserelic said:

I think one of the most weird hypnosis I've seen was this..

This preacher who claims to have healing powers. Manage to make everyone in church spaz out. Either he paid alot of those people to act or there just nuts. But I guess the only true way to find out if hypnosis is real is to try it.

That's like giving people non-alcoholic drinks without telling them and having them pretend to be buzzed.

#37 Posted by SexyToad (2739 posts) -

@Wrighteous86 said:

I've been hypnotized. It's fake.

Care to elaborate?

#38 Edited by handlas (2545 posts) -

Seems like some people are almost talking about psychiatrists and not hypnotizers.

Personally when I think of hypnosis I think of faith healers, psychics, dowsers, telepathy.... silly stuff like that is clearly not real or at least not yet proven to be real (maybe some of you might disagree with that statement). Maybe I'm coming at it from the wrong mindset.

#39 Posted by SathingtonWaltz (2053 posts) -

@Gamer_152 said:

@falserelic: It's a real thing, this isn't even vaguely disputed. It's an academically studied, documentable, easily replicable psychological phenomenon, I studied it in college. If you're looking for answers about our world, don't learn about it with YouTube clips from bad stage shows, or just look at your first-hand experience, read about it from qualified people who are actually doing objective studies and experiments. Just because you haven't experienced something first-hand doesn't mean that it doesn't exist. You've never been to Mars, looked at an atom through a microscope, or lived through World War II, but you wouldn't dispute the existence of any of these things because people have studied them, and documented them with sufficient evidence.

Of course hypnosis doesn't just let you jack people's minds on the spot and let you do anything to anyone, or anything near that, and there has been considerable debate about the exact nature of hypnosis, but you don't have to look into the subject much at all to confirm that it's real.

This.

#40 Edited by Sumbog (477 posts) -

My brother got hypnotised on a cruise ship once, funniest thing I have ever seen, it can totally work. The thing about hypnosis is it only works if you let it and are open to it, it is based on the whole power of suggestion thing.

Edit: I'm actually pretty sure it is a medical fact that hypnosis is real.

#41 Posted by _Zombie_ (1462 posts) -

It's real, but not anything like what it's been played up to be. It's usually a very specific, long process that can take anywhere from fifteen minutes to a half hour (from personal experience). It doesn't work on everyone, though.

#42 Posted by bushpusherr (714 posts) -

I generally believe hypnosis is real, and I am very much a skeptic. I don't necessarily think that it can work on everyone, and that for those it does it isn't all powerful.

I believe some people try to pass off "hypnotic" powers in the same way that mediums, astrologers, and faith healers do (which are all total bullshit), but I think there are definitely practical applications for hypnosis. I've never been involved in it personally, but I have been to a number of shows with random people picked out of the audience, many of which have been my close friends, and I know that none of them are strong enough actors to have pretended everything that happened on stage.

#43 Edited by handlas (2545 posts) -

Find it strange that everyone that says Hypnosis is real give very vague answers about how it works, what it does, etc.

Care to define what hypnosis is to educate us and explain, if you have one, your experience with it or at least link to a website that accurately articulates how you believe it works (if you prefer)? I'm surprised at how split the poll is.

#44 Posted by _Zombie_ (1462 posts) -

@handlas said:

Find it strange that everyone that says Hypnosis is real give very vague answers about how it works, what it does, etc.

Care to define what hypnosis is to educate us and explain, if you have one, your experience with it or at least link to a website that accurately articulates how you believe it works (if you prefer)? I'm surprised at how split the poll is.

Usually involves a hypnotic induction, where the hypnotist speaks a series of commands, usually first to get you into 'trance', where your mind is empty and open to suggestion. Following that, he/she repeats commands in varied forms until your brain picks up on the information and believes what they're saying. After that, the desired effect of the video (for example, rendering you mute for a certain amount of time) is achieved. Sometimes they'll release you with a trigger, other times it will be a timed release.

Source: Self-experimentation with self-hypnosis videos on youtube.

#45 Edited by handlas (2545 posts) -

@zombiebigfoot said:

@handlas said:

Find it strange that everyone that says Hypnosis is real give very vague answers about how it works, what it does, etc.

Care to define what hypnosis is to educate us and explain, if you have one, your experience with it or at least link to a website that accurately articulates how you believe it works (if you prefer)? I'm surprised at how split the poll is.

Usually involves a hypnotic induction, where the hypnotist speaks a series of commands, usually first to get you into 'trance', where your mind is empty and open to suggestion. Following that, he/she repeats commands in varied forms until your brain picks up on the information and believes what they're saying. After that, the desired effect of the video (for example, rendering you mute for a certain amount of time) is achieved. Sometimes they'll release you with a trigger, other times it will be a timed release.

Source: Self-experimentation with self-hypnosis videos on youtube.

That's a perfectly fine definition. If we define it like that then ... sure... it's real. Because it's simply just people having fun.

"... hypnosis is merely an agreement between the subject and the operator that they will fantasize together, nothing more. It may well have some limited value as a psychiatric tool, but it's not a "power," it's not a "force," it's a role-playing game, and only highly emotional persons will react as [a particular subject] did. She probably would have reacted to any suggestion, by anyone, that would produce imaginary events and the resultant trauma."

This quote from Mr. Randi sums it up for me. Hypnotism is an act. Nothing more. So lets not call it "medical fact" like someone did please. No one is entering your mind with or against your will to do things you otherwise might not. You have full control of yourself.

Basically some of you are suggesting mind control is real.

#46 Posted by falserelic (4947 posts) -

Seems like A is winning on the poll so far. I guess Hypnosis really does have an affect on some people from reading the comments.

#47 Posted by FilipHolm (663 posts) -

@Video_Game_King said:

@FilipHolm:

I thought it meant that it doesn't work, and that your mind is doing all the work. Related to the placebo effect, right?

Depends on how you look at it I guess. But the whole point of it is to get the brain to act/react a certain way which puts you in hypnosis. One way of doing so could be to get the brain to do all the work itself, as long as it creates an effect. The brain is a damn mysterious thing.

I'm not very well informed about placebo... off to the internet! brb

#48 Posted by Jrinswand (1692 posts) -

I don't personally believe in it but I do believe that the mind is an incredibly malleable organ that is highly susceptible to suggestion.

#49 Posted by Zor (653 posts) -

If it was real, cops, business people, and just about everyone who wanted something would be using it... so to answer your question, no, it isn't real.

#50 Edited by Wrighteous86 (3642 posts) -

@SexyToad said:

@Wrighteous86 said:

I've been hypnotized. It's fake.

Care to elaborate?

Like other people have said, you're always aware and in control of what you're doing. For example, I was hypnotized to not being able to open my fist, no matter how hard I tried. While that was physically true, I was unable to open my fist, the whole time, I was aware of what was going on. My mind, open to suggestion, was CHOOSING to not open my fist. In that sense, my mind was tricking or overpowering my body (at my own will) to keep my fist closed. At any point, I could have thought, this is stupid, or I want to open my hand, and I could have "snapped" myself out of it. You're essentially just playing along. So it's fake in the sense that I was always aware and in control, but it was real in the sense that my mind had created this (easily removeable) mental block on the controls of my hand.

Also, being in a "hypnotic" state is pretty much the same thing as, and feels not unlike, being in a meditative state.