#151 Posted by johncallahan (541 posts) -

Yep, there's supposedly a ghost that lives in my house. Given some of the odd things that happen here I'm inclined to believe it.

#152 Posted by handsomeb (68 posts) -

Nope.

#153 Edited by golguin (3830 posts) -

@herbiebug said:

Nah. The physics that would have to be in play for any component of the ghost idea to work are pure fiction and run contrary to just about everything we're pretty sure we know about how the universe functions. Ghost stories are the domain of hallucination, misunderstanding of a witnessed event (saw something weird - lacked knowledge to explain), and fabrication for entertainment/profit.

What physics is that exactly? I feel that the multiverse with all its dimensions would explain how overlap could happen randomly to present ghostly apparitions. Any ghost that could be seen would have to obey the laws of physics in order to reflect light into our eyes.

I should mention that me and my friend has a ghost encounter up on a mountain. I was photographing a lighthouse up on Mt. Rubidoux in Riverside California. I was late enough that it was already night, but the light from the city keeps the top fairly visible. You wont accidentally fall off. As I'm taking some photos my friend tells me to "stop it." I ask him what he's talking about and he tells me that I'm making "that walking" noise. I go up to him and tell him I'm no doing anything. We're both standing still and I'm pointing at our stationary feet. About a second later we hear the crystal clear sound of footsteps on gravel (the top is full of gravel) walking toward us. We track the sound with our heads as it walks towards us and passes us right by us. The moment I tell my friend "I heard that" he starts to run down the mountain as I yell at him to stop.

There was no one else up there. You would clearly see anyone else at the top and there are only two paths that lead up there. It takes about 30-40 minutes to walk down the path and it was about 15 minutes of going down until we ran into someone else.

How do you explain that when both of us heard the origin of the noise (footsteps on gravel) and tracked the noise walk past us?

#154 Posted by Zajtalan (1163 posts) -

i believe in the holy spirit

#155 Posted by RollingZeppelin (1908 posts) -

About as much as I believe in Santa, the Easter bunny, the tooth fairy or God.

#156 Posted by ripelivejam (3453 posts) -

@golguin said:

@herbiebug said:

Nah. The physics that would have to be in play for any component of the ghost idea to work are pure fiction and run contrary to just about everything we're pretty sure we know about how the universe functions. Ghost stories are the domain of hallucination, misunderstanding of a witnessed event (saw something weird - lacked knowledge to explain), and fabrication for entertainment/profit.

What physics is that exactly? I feel that the multiverse with all its dimensions would explain how overlap could happen randomly to present ghostly apparitions. Any ghost that could be seen would have to obey the laws of physics in order to reflect light into our eyes.

I should mention that me and my friend has a ghost encounter up on a mountain. I was photographing a lighthouse up on Mt. Rubidoux in Riverside California. I was late enough that it was already night, but the light from the city keeps the top fairly visible. You wont accidentally fall off. As I'm taking some photos my friend tells me to "stop it." I ask him what he's talking about and he tells me that I'm making "that walking" noise. I go up to him and tell him I'm no doing anything. We're both standing still and I'm pointing at our stationary feet. About a second later we hear the crystal clear sound of footsteps on gravel (the top is full of gravel) walking toward us. We track the sound with our heads as it walks towards us and passes us right by us. The moment I tell my friend "I heard that" he starts to run down the mountain as I yell at him to stop.

There was no one else up there. You would clearly see anyone else at the top and there are only two paths that lead up there. It takes about 30-40 minutes to walk down the path and it was about 15 minutes of going down until we ran into someone else.

How do you explain that when both of us heard the origin of the noise (footsteps on gravel) and tracked the noise walk past us?

sound can easily be reflected/distorted/bounced a long way. wild animals or maybe you WERE hearing the echoing of somebody's footsteps from a fair distance. much more possible than the physics required to explain what we conceptualize as "ghosts." we really underestimate the human mind's ability to exaggerate reality. there's a lot of things that can be easily explained by our brains/senses misfiring. read carl sagan's demon haunted world if you want to understand a little better how our minds can be shaped and warped by hallucination and delusion.

short answer: no. i've never seen anything compelling or concrete, and anything strange i've ever think i've seen or heard could easily be explained by an overactive imagination and sensitive hearing.

#157 Edited by ripelivejam (3453 posts) -

@buzz_clik said:

Why would you when science exists?

EDIT: Which is not to say I'm unwilling to be proven wrong. But at the moment we've got one line of thinking that's demonstrable as an actual thing to believe in, and one that isn't.

Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.

Just in case you needed a reminder.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_ignorance

#158 Posted by SathingtonWaltz (2053 posts) -

@jams said:

@pr1mus said:

That ghost hunters TV show with the TAPS guys is totally legit!

That upset me so much when I found out they were faking it. I really thought they were actually doing it right and letting us decide. But I guess they did at first and after a couple of years they were acting like they were installing a washing machine while "mentioning" all the features like an advertisement. Then after that, almost every episode had something happen and it kept getting worse to the point of the show being a complete joke.

Also I believe in necro threads.

My mother used to be involved in a paranormal investigation group and we've actually met TAPS before. The guys used to be really legit, but from what my mom told me they really fell apart due to pressures from network executives or something.

#159 Posted by ShadowConqueror (3048 posts) -

No?

#160 Edited by egg (1452 posts) -

*ahem* I'm not free to talk about it right now. They are watching.

#161 Posted by hidys (1029 posts) -

This is probably the best place to post this

Right now there is something weird and it don't look good... Who should I call?

#162 Posted by golguin (3830 posts) -

@golguin said:

@herbiebug said:

Nah. The physics that would have to be in play for any component of the ghost idea to work are pure fiction and run contrary to just about everything we're pretty sure we know about how the universe functions. Ghost stories are the domain of hallucination, misunderstanding of a witnessed event (saw something weird - lacked knowledge to explain), and fabrication for entertainment/profit.

What physics is that exactly? I feel that the multiverse with all its dimensions would explain how overlap could happen randomly to present ghostly apparitions. Any ghost that could be seen would have to obey the laws of physics in order to reflect light into our eyes.

I should mention that me and my friend has a ghost encounter up on a mountain. I was photographing a lighthouse up on Mt. Rubidoux in Riverside California. I was late enough that it was already night, but the light from the city keeps the top fairly visible. You wont accidentally fall off. As I'm taking some photos my friend tells me to "stop it." I ask him what he's talking about and he tells me that I'm making "that walking" noise. I go up to him and tell him I'm no doing anything. We're both standing still and I'm pointing at our stationary feet. About a second later we hear the crystal clear sound of footsteps on gravel (the top is full of gravel) walking toward us. We track the sound with our heads as it walks towards us and passes us right by us. The moment I tell my friend "I heard that" he starts to run down the mountain as I yell at him to stop.

There was no one else up there. You would clearly see anyone else at the top and there are only two paths that lead up there. It takes about 30-40 minutes to walk down the path and it was about 15 minutes of going down until we ran into someone else.

How do you explain that when both of us heard the origin of the noise (footsteps on gravel) and tracked the noise walk past us?

sound can easily be reflected/distorted/bounced a long way. wild animals or maybe you WERE hearing the echoing of somebody's footsteps from a fair distance. much more possible than the physics required to explain what we conceptualize as "ghosts." we really underestimate the human mind's ability to exaggerate reality. there's a lot of things that can be easily explained by our brains/senses misfiring. read carl sagan's demon haunted world if you want to understand a little better how our minds can be shaped and warped by hallucination and delusion.

short answer: no. i've never seen anything compelling or concrete, and anything strange i've ever think i've seen or heard could easily be explained by an overactive imagination and sensitive hearing.

I don't think you understand what footsteps in gravel a couple of feet away sound like. I also don't think you understand the situation of a mountain top with only two people at the summit.

The question I have for you is why your explanation for my situation has to involve us having the intelligence of a cashew. It makes as much sense as someone knocking on the desk I'm currently sitting at and telling me the sound must have come from a block away. I'd like to believe that two adults with perfectly fine hearing both looking toward the direction of the sound at our feet would know if it was an echo.

#163 Posted by Fattony12000 (6940 posts) -

#164 Posted by HeyImPhoenix (169 posts) -

I ain't afraid of no ghosts!

#165 Posted by AlexanderSheen (4901 posts) -

I am a ghost.

But seriously, no. It just seems arrogant to think that humans are so awesome that their spirits lives after death.

#166 Posted by audioBusting (1458 posts) -
#167 Posted by Cloudenvy (5891 posts) -

Yes I do. I can also jump into TVs and when I put a gun to my head and pull the trigger this giant mythological ghost comes out.

Real answer: No I do not!

#168 Posted by Capum15 (4789 posts) -

I am a ghost.

But seriously, no. It just seems arrogant to think that humans are so awesome that their spirits lives after death.

It has been much too long since I've seen that. Thank you.

You can't kill Ghost Tupac (Ghost Problems More).

#169 Edited by habster3 (3595 posts) -

I like how people keep posting after establishing that this ghost thread has been necro'd...

To answer the OP's question, no.

#170 Posted by AlexanderSheen (4901 posts) -

@audiobusting: Ghosts exist because they got unfinished business or emotional ties to the real world, no? I can't see how a pomeranian wants to avenge its death, or what case scenario have you. But hey, if anyone believes in the existence of ghost humans/animals/plants/fungi, fine be my guest.

@cloudenvy: When I put a gun to my head and pull the trigger only regret comes out... and Ghost problems more!

Because I am a ghost!

#171 Edited by AmatureIdiot (1060 posts) -

No I don't believe ghosts, because I believe in pretty simple physics and psychology.

#172 Posted by Nux (2292 posts) -

No, not at all.

#173 Posted by LornHg (42 posts) -

Nope, ghosts don't exists.

When you die, you die. There's nothing left behind, you just rot there and stop living.

Also, it's the same with Santa, the tooth fairy and the easter bunny ... they all die

#174 Posted by SlashDance (1799 posts) -

I suffer from sleep paralysis, which often leads to hallucinations. The first time it happened to me I saw two baby hands coming from behind my head to cover my eyes. It was pretty terrifying to say the least, so I understand what it is to be completely sure you've seen a ghost. You can be perfectly sain and still your brain will sometimes make you think you saw something that never was there, but there's always an explanation. If you believe in ghosts you simply have yet to find that explanation.

So no, I don't believe in ghosts because ghosts don't exist.

#175 Posted by Kaiserreich (680 posts) -

Of course not

#176 Edited by Jams (2959 posts) -

@golguin said:

@ripelivejam said:

@golguin said:

sound can easily be reflected/distorted/bounced a long way. wild animals or maybe you WERE hearing the echoing of somebody's footsteps from a fair distance. much more possible than the physics required to explain what we conceptualize as "ghosts." we really underestimate the human mind's ability to exaggerate reality. there's a lot of things that can be easily explained by our brains/senses misfiring. read carl sagan's demon haunted world if you want to understand a little better how our minds can be shaped and warped by hallucination and delusion.

short answer: no. i've never seen anything compelling or concrete, and anything strange i've ever think i've seen or heard could easily be explained by an overactive imagination and sensitive hearing.

I don't think you understand what footsteps in gravel a couple of feet away sound like. I also don't think you understand the situation of a mountain top with only two people at the summit.

The question I have for you is why your explanation for my situation has to involve us having the intelligence of a cashew. It makes as much sense as someone knocking on the desk I'm currently sitting at and telling me the sound must have come from a block away. I'd like to believe that two adults with perfectly fine hearing both looking toward the direction of the sound at our feet would know if it was an echo.

Yeah, I don't like when people just instantly dismiss something with an "explanation" that they just pull out of their butt. I also don't get why people think we know everything there is to know about physics and psychology when we're still trying to figure out why people like Adam Lanza exist or finding things like the "god" particle.

It seems like some people who are scared of the unknown find comfort in hiding behind science. I always think that a real scientist would say, "I DON'T KNOW LET'S FIND OUT!" jumps in head first, "YEEHAWW SCIENCE!".

But more often then not people claiming to be scientist are always say things don't exist just because 1 guy did like 2 tests and came up with nothing.

I've always believed that there's a bunch of stuff out there that we haven't even remotely figured out yet. The most answers we find seem to just unlock that many more questions.

#177 Posted by Funkydupe (3304 posts) -

I had the door to my bedroom closed when I went to sleep. When I woke up it was wide open. When I was leaving the apartment that morning, I noticed that I had forgotten to lock the door to the apartment before going to bed. Creeps me the fuck out. Either a ghost or someone was in my apartment at some point. :)

#178 Posted by MariachiMacabre (7039 posts) -

Nope. I'm obviously not certain about my opinion but it seems unlikely that they exist. I have had instances of sleep paralysis where I hallucinated a tall black shadow at the foot of my bed was slowly leaning towards me while little black demon baby crawled on top of me. Scariest thing I've ever experienced. But I realize it wasn't real.

#179 Edited by Sooty (8082 posts) -

@mariachimacabre said:

Nope. I'm obviously not certain about my opinion but it seems unlikely that they exist. I have had instances of sleep paralysis where I hallucinated a tall black shadow at the foot of my bed was slowly leaning towards me while little black demon baby crawled on top of me. Scariest thing I've ever experienced. But I realize it wasn't real.

There's a scene in either the first or second Grudge film (jpn versions) where the antagonist (creepy fucking woman with long black hair) is at the headboard of some lady's bed just peering right over her and staring as she sleeps. Creeps me out whenever I think of it.

Oh god here it is around 28s in:

God damn it that movie freaks me out.

#180 Posted by Jams (2959 posts) -

@sooty said:

@mariachimacabre said:

Nope. I'm obviously not certain about my opinion but it seems unlikely that they exist. I have had instances of sleep paralysis where I hallucinated a tall black shadow at the foot of my bed was slowly leaning towards me while little black demon baby crawled on top of me. Scariest thing I've ever experienced. But I realize it wasn't real.

There's a scene in either the first or second Grudge film (jpn versions) where the antagonist (creepy fucking woman with long black hair) is at the headboard of some lady's bed just peering right over her and staring as she sleeps. Creeps me out whenever I think of it.

Oh god here it is around 28s in:

God damn it that movie freaks me out.

1:28 mark is what would make a good start to a porn though.

#181 Posted by Live2bRighteous (313 posts) -

@bushpusherr: Religion wise, (Maybe specifically catholic? I'm not sure) they say a "spirit" or "ghost" will only be on earth if it has something it can't let go. So If a person was murdered in some way, most likely, they would be pissed about it. Or if they died by some horrible accident, I'm pretty sure they would feel cheated on their life span.

I do believe there are ghosts. I've never seen one, but I'm pretty sure my entire family wouldn't lie about their multiple life long experiences with them. I've had a few odd moments myself though. 3 am in the morning, I was heading to the bathroom after watching something in my room with my bro. I just started hearing this loud clicking noise coming from the kitchen, 2spooky! My bro and I walked into it to find one of my sibling's kitchen toys turned on. Of course, people would argue it was just the batteries flipping out or the switch accidentally turned on. The thing is though, the toy requires you to wind it up to make it work/make sound. The parents were asleep (snoring loudly actually, right through the obvious clicking) so they weren't playing a joke on us. Something had to physically turn that winder.... I'm still a little spooked about it to this day.

#182 Edited by Everyones_A_Critic (6285 posts) -

As an atheist it'd be somewhat hypocritical to say that I do, but I do. Not because I've ever experienced anything paranormal but because my imagination is so vivid and child-like that I can't help but indulge it whenever I see a dark hallway or a spooky forest. Shit, if I come up from my basement to get a drink of water at night and look down at that pitch-black basement staircase standing between me and my room, I still get goosebumps.

#183 Edited by ripelivejam (3453 posts) -

@jams: and why haven't you considered the possibility that maybe you are the one who is wrong, and that maybe you are the "narrow-minded" one. the burden of proof would be on you in this case i'm afraid. science isn't about doing one or two tests and saying "that's it." you grossly misunderstand the scientific method. it's test, refine, and retest. you don't make assumptions, you take the evidence empirically. it's very rigorous and always questions itself. something some people don't seem to do when they hear a few strange noises in the dark.

again human consciousness is very susceptible to influence, to a degree most people don't seem to be able to comprehend. i've seen some weird shit in my life. i was four years old when i thought a ghost was chasing me through my house. i still remember it; it was quite the dramatic moment. but it happened over a few seconds, i was a child who had a very overactive imagination in a very dark house at the middle of night, the back door was open and we had a number of white shi-tzu dogs that wandered in, and i had if i recall correctly just seen the original ghostbusters at a drive in so obviously that had some effect on me at a tender young age. quite a lot of factors working together to influence my mind and make me see what i thought i saw. point is the human consciousness is very malleable in ways that yes i admit we don't fully grasp yet, but it's ways we can study and refine our knowledge on. it's a much more rational and testable explanation than just saying "ghosts" and that's it.

#184 Posted by golguin (3830 posts) -

@jams: and why haven't you considered the possibility that maybe you are the one who is wrong, and that maybe you are the "narrow-minded" one. the burden of proof would be on you in this case i'm afraid. science isn't about doing one or two tests and saying "that's it." you grossly misunderstand the scientific method. it's test, refine, and retest. you don't make assumptions, you take the evidence empirically. it's very rigorous and always questions itself. something some people don't seem to do when they hear a few strange noises in the dark.

again human consciousness is very susceptible to influence, to a degree most people don't seem to be able to comprehend. i've seen some weird shit in my life. i was four years old when i thought a ghost was chasing me through my house. i still remember it; it was quite the dramatic moment. but it happened over a few seconds, i was a child who had a very overactive imagination in a very dark house at the middle of night, the back door was open and we had a number of white shi-tzu dogs that wandered in, and i had if i recall correctly just seen the original ghostbusters at a drive in so obviously that had some effect on me at a tender young age. quite a lot of factors working together to influence my mind and make me see what i thought i saw. point is the human consciousness is very malleable in ways that yes i admit we don't fully grasp yet, but it's ways we can study and refine our knowledge on. it's a much more rational and testable explanation than just saying "ghosts" and that's it.

There is no doubt that me and my friend (both in our 20s) heard human footsteps on gravel (crunchy walking noise) right in front of us. We're not stupid enough to mistake it for an animal large enough to make human sounding footsteps in front of us. There's also the fact that large wild animals (we live in Riverside, California) don't live here.

It could have been an invisible man or some cleverly placed underground device that copies the sound of walking coming towards us, walking by us, and then walking away from us. It also could have been an a government experiment to alter our senses with their special wave gun beam that causes the same auditory hallucination in multiple individuals within a specific radius.

If we use our imagination we could come up with various explanations as improbable as "ghosts". That still doesn't disprove that me and my friend heard the same thing at the same time coming from the same place and ending at the same moment.

#185 Posted by Jams (2959 posts) -

@jams: and why haven't you considered the possibility that maybe you are the one who is wrong, and that maybe you are the "narrow-minded" one.

Who me? pssshhaaaww! My mind is so opened that it went full circle and closed back up again leaving only a narrow part ope... oh.

#186 Posted by ripelivejam (3453 posts) -

i just know this is dangerously getting close to a cyclical science vs religion debate.

@golguin said:

There is no doubt that me and my friend (both in our 20s) heard human footsteps on gravel (crunchy walking noise) right in front of us. We're not stupid enough to mistake it for an animal large enough to make human sounding footsteps in front of us. There's also the fact that large wild animals (we live in Riverside, California) don't live here.

It could have been an invisible man or some cleverly placed underground device that copies the sound of walking coming towards us, walking by us, and then walking away from us. It also could have been an a government experiment to alter our senses with their special wave gun beam that causes the same auditory hallucination in multiple individuals within a specific radius.

If we use our imagination we could come up with various explanations as improbable as "ghosts". That still doesn't disprove that me and my friend heard the same thing at the same time coming from the same place and ending at the same moment.

the 1st part is more irrational than a dis-corporeal entity walking around and making noises in front of you? one that can't be tested or verified by physical means instead of a noise? maybe there are some larger animals there that no one witnessed before.

2nd part explanations are just as ridiculous and carry as large of a burden of proof. why can't it be an echo you heard from somewhere down the path? again how is that less rational of an explanation than what you postulate? i know you're being facetious here; i'm not trying to suggest as bizarre and untestable a hypothesis. there are perfectly mundane reasons why you got scared the way you did.

3rd part again a more rational explanation than "ghosts." there's a lot we do understand about the brain that shows it's a powerful instrument of shaping your perception of reality. there's also admittedly much we DON'T understand about it yet. i'm not claiming nothing is real and we shouldn't trust anything we sense around us; just that we need to take a step back when we think we see or hear or witness something supposedly so abnormal and outrageous. wouldn't you agree it's better for us to try to reason and investigate why things work the way they do, rather than remain blind to the inner workings of our world and just plaster a paranormal blanket statement on things we vaguely don't understand or recognize as normal?

not trying to attack you, your beliefs, or am calling you dim-witted as you assumed i did in a previous post. just saying that you didn't see or hear what you think you saw. it may have been strange and unnerving, but there is easily an explanation for it.

#187 Posted by golguin (3830 posts) -

i just know this is dangerously getting close to a cyclical science vs religion debate.

@golguin said:

There is no doubt that me and my friend (both in our 20s) heard human footsteps on gravel (crunchy walking noise) right in front of us. We're not stupid enough to mistake it for an animal large enough to make human sounding footsteps in front of us. There's also the fact that large wild animals (we live in Riverside, California) don't live here.

It could have been an invisible man or some cleverly placed underground device that copies the sound of walking coming towards us, walking by us, and then walking away from us. It also could have been an a government experiment to alter our senses with their special wave gun beam that causes the same auditory hallucination in multiple individuals within a specific radius.

If we use our imagination we could come up with various explanations as improbable as "ghosts". That still doesn't disprove that me and my friend heard the same thing at the same time coming from the same place and ending at the same moment.

the 1st part is more irrational than a dis-corporeal entity walking around and making noises in front of you? one that can't be tested or verified by physical means instead of a noise? maybe there are some larger animals there that no one witnessed before.

2nd part explanations are just as ridiculous and carry as large of a burden of proof. why can't it be an echo you heard from somewhere down the path? again how is that less rational of an explanation than what you postulate? i know you're being facetious here; i'm not trying to suggest as bizarre and untestable a hypothesis. there are perfectly mundane reasons why you got scared the way you did.

3rd part again a more rational explanation than "ghosts." there's a lot we do understand about the brain that shows it's a powerful instrument of shaping your perception of reality. there's also admittedly much we DON'T understand about it yet. i'm not claiming nothing is real and we shouldn't trust anything we sense around us; just that we need to take a step back when we think we see or hear or witness something supposedly so abnormal and outrageous. wouldn't you agree it's better for us to try to reason and investigate why things work the way they do, rather than remain blind to the inner workings of our world and just plaster a paranormal blanket statement on things we vaguely don't understand or recognize as normal?

not trying to attack you, your beliefs, or am calling you dim-witted as you assumed i did in a previous post. just saying that you didn't see or hear what you think you saw. it may have been strange and unnerving, but there is easily an explanation for it.

You continue to ignore the fact that TWO INDIVIDUALS heard the same noise, from the same direction, and continued to hear it until it was no longer audible. You continue to speak as if this was my sole experience that could easily be hand waved as a "you didn't see or hear what you think you saw" explanation.

Until you acknowledge that there were two people involved I don't see a need to explain how it couldn't be an echo or an undiscovered large animal unseen and unheard until that fateful night.

I also fail to comprehend how this has anything to do with religion. I also fail to see how any part of my previous posts would lead you to state "why you got scared the way you did."

I've included an image to show you where it happened.


#188 Posted by RollingZeppelin (1908 posts) -

As an atheist it'd be somewhat hypocritical to say that I do, but I do. Not because I've ever experienced anything paranormal but because my imagination is so vivid and child-like that I can't help but indulge it whenever I see a dark hallway or a spooky forest. Shit, if I come up from my basement to get a drink of water at night and look down at that pitch-black basement staircase standing between me and my room, I still get goosebumps.

I expect your atheist badge on my desk by morning. If you believe in ghosts then how can you possibly deny the existence of God?

I'd like one person in here to present some empirical, scientific, peer-reviewed evidence for the existence of ghosts. Anecdotal stories by people who don't understand how the brain can trick itself don't count.

#189 Edited by bushpusherr (760 posts) -

@live2brighteous: I'm not exactly sure, but I assume you are agreeing with my post a year ago? lol Even if the stipulation is that a ghost or "spirit" only lingers because they can't let go, or because of a traumatic event or whatever - that still leaves billions of people who are perfectly good candidates for ghostdom. You would expect supernatural occurances to not just be way more frequent, but also wayyyyy more supernatural.

Also, it would be super lame if your abilities as a ghost were limited to turning the crank on a children's toy.

#190 Posted by Christoffer (1742 posts) -

No, I don't. And anyone I've met who claims to have had encounters seems to have serious confirmation bias. Not to mention the old "argument from ignorance". I can't explain what it is, so clearly it's ghosts.

Funny enough, I grew up in a family where everyone believed in everything supernatural they ever heard of. Without even questioning it.

#191 Edited by teh_destroyer (3560 posts) -

Always afraid.

#192 Posted by captain_clayman (3318 posts) -

I believe your mind knows how to play tricks on you and do it very convincingly.

#193 Posted by Damian (1538 posts) -

@everyones_a_critic said:

As an atheist it'd be somewhat hypocritical to say that I do, but I do...

...If you believe in ghosts then how can you possibly deny the existence of God?...

Ghosts could exist without a god.

#194 Posted by RollingZeppelin (1908 posts) -

@damian said:

@rollingzeppelin said:

@everyones_a_critic said:

As an atheist it'd be somewhat hypocritical to say that I do, but I do...

...If you believe in ghosts then how can you possibly deny the existence of God?...

Ghosts could exist without a god.

Of course they could, just as God could exist without ghosts, but there is as much factual evidence out there for each. To say that God likely does not exist and then turn around and say that ghosts do is completely undermining your own viewpoints. Atheism is about logic over faith, the belief in ghosts is a complete exercise in faith as there is no evidence for them. So if you are going to abandon all logic for this belief then why not for the existence of God?

#195 Posted by Damian (1538 posts) -

@rollingzeppelin: Atheism is the absence of belief in god/s. To assume any more than that quality of an atheist would be illogical.

#196 Posted by obcdexter (566 posts) -

No, I believe in James Randi.

#197 Posted by OfficeGamer (1087 posts) -
#198 Posted by TooWalrus (13127 posts) -

No, I believe in James Randi.

I hear he's pretty amazing.

#199 Posted by mylifeforAiur (3481 posts) -

I believe in ghosting.

#200 Posted by GunstarRed (4992 posts) -