EDIT: I phrased the title wrong people. I shouldn't have used the word "believe". Get over it and read the following sentences to get a better idea of what I actually mean.
Or moreover, the necessity of using a lavish ceremony to prove to someone that you truly love them and want to spend the rest of your life with them?
Loosely inspired by the gay marriage thread as well as my viewing of the movie Away We Go last night, I really am seeing more than ever that marriage is absolutely pointless, at least in my opinion. Do you believe in it? If so, why? What compels you to feel the need to spend thousands of dollars to solidify your love for another individual? Is it just one of those religious traditions that has pointlessly carried on throughout history and I fail to see its point being an agnostic, or is it really proving something??
Do You Believe In Marriage??
Marriage is an outdated ideal. I believe in love. All you need is love. People who think a ring means something more than a piece of metal need to get the sentimentality of materialism out of their head.
Granted, if marriage is your digs, then more power to ya. Personally, I just don't see the point in an outdated tradition.
" Yep. I like commitment. "So are you saying that long-lasting love and commitment to an individual can only be brought about through a huge ceremony like this? Because I personally fail to see the point of it more and more nowadays... It's a weird hangover tradition of old in my opinion.
Yes, I believe it is essential in the function of a modern society, more than not people who are part of the social breakdown in western countries are people where marriage and family was not thought to be important. Im not saying that all people from these backrounds are like this, the minority are like this, but they make up the majority of the social under-class emerging in todays society.
Again my opinion, its probably wrong.
" Marriage is an outdated ideal. I believe in love. All you need is love. People who think a ring means something more than a piece of metal need to get the sentimentality of materialism out of their head. Granted, if marriage is your digs, then more power to ya. Personally, I just don't see the point in an outdated tradition. "My sentiments exactly.
" I believe in a thing called love. Just listen to the rhythm of my heart. "*moans*
thats the next line, right ?
" Marriage is an outdated ideal. I believe in love. All you need is love. People who think a ring means something more than a piece of metal need to get the sentimentality of materialism out of their head. Granted, if marriage is your digs, then more power to ya. Personally, I just don't see the point in an outdated tradition. "I completely agree with Jakob here.
Marriage does not have to be a huge materialistic ceremony... It can be something small and personal. So yes, I do believe in it.
" @SpikeSpiegel said:No, I am not saying that at all. I just like to be able to visualize the commitment and marriage helps do that in my eyes. Whatever floats your boat. :)" Yep. I like commitment. "So are you saying that long-lasting love and commitment to an individual can only be brought about through a huge ceremony like this? Because I personally fail to see the point of it more and more nowadays... It's a weird hangover tradition of old in my opinion. "
That's a complex question.
I don't believe that love lasts forever, but a marriage can.
Marriage is not only a question of proving something to someone else. It can be a act of love, personal security, companionship...
Intertwining two lives together.
So i believe in it, and i believe it can work, if people really care for the relationship.
And like the V for Vendetta said:
"A building is a symbol, as is the act of destroying it. Symbols are given power by people. A symbol, in and of itself is powerless, but with enough people behind it, blowing up a building can change the world."
Marriage can change the world for the people who know how to live it.
It can have meaning.
So in the end, for me it depends mostly of the person.
Not for me though.
" Or moreover, the necessity of using a lavish ceremony to prove to someone that you truly love them and want to spend the rest of your life with them?Who says weddings have to be over-the-top or massively expensive, surely thats just a product of people losing sight of the purpose of marriage, and focusing too much on the ceremony itself. Im not saying a wedding has to be at a certain level of cost, just that people often get carried away a little on the scale of it.
What compels you to feel the need to spend thousands of dollars to solidify your love for another individual?"
" Marriage does not have to be a huge materialistic ceremony... It can be something small and personal. So yes, I do believe in it. "That's what my marriage was like so many years ago. My wife originally wanted to get married in a field with our dogs running around, but her mother would not have any of that. So yeah, I believe in marriage.
"No... Mostly"
I think if the feelings are true, it doesn't require a marriage to solidify your commitment to someone else, it just requires commitment.
Honestly I think a couple could easily love each other more and have a better relationship as legal partners, than a couple who's been married. Love isn't decided on what ceremonies you've had, nor what legal status you hold.
Granted if it's something both parties want, I see nothing against it. It just isn't the be-all-end-all proof of love for someone to another.
" @natetodamax said:You're implying that marriage doesn't exist." You're implying that marriage doesn't exist. "By which you mean??? "
After 29 years of it, yes, but with big qualifications.
I like marriage and it works for me. Doesn't mean it works for everyone. I think it is the ideal commitment ceremony. I am an atheist though and religion has squat to do with it (for me). However, a marriage is no different or better than de facto. Big weddings are an absolute waste of money to just show off. A small ceremony is just as good and the money is better spent on a good honeymoon or house deposit.
I have raised my daughters to make a choice for themselves. However, if they do marry, I am not paying for it and I suggest a small wedding or eloping is a decent option.
I have had 3 wedding ceremonies now. We were married in a registry office in 1980. We did a full garden wedding for our 10th anniversary in 1990. Then we got married by the shore of Lake Tahoe in Nevada, oddly enough, oddly enough, by a Christian minister (we are going to hell for that). We will do it again next year for number 30 - still planning.
Not really, I bleieve that anyone who wants to get married should. But I wouldn't do it myself, I don't need a ring and a piece of paper to prove someone I love her.
" @ververdan0226 said:Is my topic title what you're getting at? Are you just being a smartass? Maybe I just phrased the title wrong and should have said something like, "Do you believe in the necessity of a marriage to solidify a union of two individuals?". Because otherwise I fail to see what you're talking about..." @natetodamax said:You're implying that marriage doesn't exist. "" You're implying that marriage doesn't exist. "By which you mean??? "
Anyway, I clearly state that I believe in the union of two people in love, but I don't believe that needs to be done through a marriage or a ceremony, no matter how elegant, minimalistic or small it may be. Now maybe you can actually reply to the topic...
Marriage is an archaic tradition, but civil unions are necessary. In the event of divorce, there must be some legal assurance of an equitable split. Otherwise, the stay-at-home mom/dad will come out of the divorce with nothing to their name, and that is not acceptable.
I do not believe in love as some sort of magical or metaphysical 'thing' that transcends rationality, but I do believe that it is an intense emotion so strong that it can be very nearly (but not entirely) unconditional and can endure throughout the person's life.
" believe is a weird word to use.... "I agree now. I should have phrased it better. GB really needs editable topic titles.... though I guess that may not be realistic...
" @Famov: Is that what we've come to in society? The point that we have to think about what may happen in the case of a divorce if we should enter a marriage? "I believe the divorce rate is over 50% in the US at least. I think doing so would be a smart thing in most cases.
Maybe this is just me being an ignorant and naive romantic (it is), but it really is sad to see that divorce has become an integral part of finding "love" in this day and age, if we can still call it that..." @ververdan0226 said:
" @Famov: Is that what we've come to in society? The point that we have to think about what may happen in the case of a divorce if we should enter a marriage? "I believe the divorce rate is over 50% in the US at least. I think doing so would be a smart thing in most cases. "
The only reason I would ever agree to get married is if my partner had her heart set on it. I don't think love is something that needs to be bound by a legal contract. The mindset of "marriage is for life" disappeared years ago, so I don't think commitment has much to do with it. Commitment is great and all, but not being married doesn't mean that you'll walk out the door at the drop of a hat.
Marriage as a concept is pretty meaningless to me. My parents are still technically married, but haven't lived together for over 15 years, and they sure as hell don't love each other anymore. Whereas my next door neighbours never married but have been living together happily for 25 years and have three children.
A ring changes nothing in a relationship aside from maybe increasing the length of it a tad. Or at least legally extending the relationship.
" Yes, I believe it is essential in the function of a modern society, more than not people who are part of the social breakdown in western countries are people where marriage and family was not thought to be important. Im not saying that all people from these backrounds are like this, the minority are like this, but they make up the majority of the social under-class emerging in todays society. Again my opinion, its probably wrong. "I couldn't agree with you more. Marriage is much more of a committment than: "hey baby, why don't you move in with me."
The emotion "love" is, in reality, horniness-- or love at first site. People treat it like a magical symbol with destiny supporting it, when all it really is is an extremely persuasive excuse to populate our species. "Love" is just a powerful excuse just to have sex and get kisses. Look at all the divorcements that happen across the globe. The only true love in the world are the people that take care of you from day one, and that is your family.
That is why I'll never force myself to "ask out" somebody. It's totally immature and absolutely foolish.
Hey, I just commented about this :)
I don't think marriage is necessary to express one's love for another. It seems that it's been on a decline recently as less people get married and do so later in life. It has certainly become a staple of society both to the state and religion but I guess we could do without it.
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