Do you believe we all have a special purpose on our time on earth? Are some of us given a path, maybe some of us are given devine talent? We are all different and all special. The purpose, the drive, the motivation beyond just your basic human needs. I mean we are all very different, none of us are exactly the same, so having a diversity might be good to fill out certain jobs in the world your suited for, maybe even put you on a carrer of purpose.
Or is it all bullshit, we are just floating on a rock and we are all trying to make the best of it. The whole purpose thing is just vageries of human perception? There is no devine talent, or purpose. Discuss.
(also stay on topic, I won't reply to nonsense if I got some concept wrong or something I said gets taken out of my context. Happens once with someone else in every thread I made so I thought I mention that and if you need claification, i'll clairfy what I mean)
Do you believe we all have a purpose on our time on earth?
I guess your answer is we are just floating on a rock and doing whatever we need to survive.
Oh, you silly humans and your search for purpose in everything you see. Can't you just accept the randomness that is existence? There's no hidden meaning behind all this bullshit; it's just there.
So none of you feel like you have any sense of a purpose? Your just here to make a minium wage salary and to earn a degree into something that might not even get you a job? To exist? To be entertained to distract yourself with drugs? You don't see maybe you can make a carrer out of some of your talents. Also there are things you are actually very good at, better than others which may hint at a direction?
I myself always thought one day I was going to be an artist or something, but that sort of didn't work due to a lack of skill. So I don't know about the term purpose anymore. Seems like in this economy now, we just sort of exist. But aren't some ppl businessmen or business women, others are better as employees at a certain field? Some ppl are actually making videogames, look at cliffy b. he doesn't have talent or a direction? Purpose to make games? All these ppl who makes games for a living has no purpose? They do this for a paycheck when other jobs can probally make more?
So none of you feel like you have any sense of a purpose? Your just here to make a minium wage salary and to earn a degree into something that might not even get you a job? To exist? To be entertained to distract yourself with drugs? You don't see maybe you can make a carrer out of some of your talents. Also there are things you are actually very good at, better than others which may hint at a direction? I myself always thought one day I was going to be an artist or something, but that sort of didn't work due to a lack of skill. So I don't know about the term purpose anymore. Seems like in this economy now, we just sort of exist. But aren't some ppl businessmen or business women, others are better as employees at a certain field? Some ppl are actually making videogames, look at cliffy b. he doesn't have talent or a direction? Purpose to make games? All these ppl who makes games for a living has no purpose? They do this for a paycheck when other jobs can probally make more?Being good at something =/= "purpose".
I believe our purpose, if you want to call it that, is to continue with each generation until we as a species become god like beings and make a purpose for this senseless universe. It just seems too chaotic for my tastes. Hopefully our descendants can make it better rather than letting it fizzle out. Damn entropy...
Its all just survival, then all of you have a rat race mentality of selfishness and survival being full of uncertainty and you might feel empty at everything you do, going from paycheck to paycheck.
I don't think we have a purpose... I think it's all random. We only look for a purpose because we are the most advanced species on this planet. We think too much about purpose and life when we can never 100% know the correct answer. And it frightens people to think that we have no purpose so they come up with stories to make everyone feel better about existence.
If you don't want to be misinterpreted, you should probably brush up on your English. You too frequently use words that you do not understand and pretentious constructions that are well beyond your current level. It may lessen the pseudo-intellectual self-indulgence you seem to be going for, but it would increase clarity.
There is no intrinsic purpose. While, in your simple way, you seem to take this as a resignation, it is not. Your false dichotomy is both desperate and transparent. You aren't good at art, so you try your hand at moping wank looking for encouragement or self-aggrandizing faux depth (as is obvious by your replies.
It is precisely the absence of intrinsic meaning that makes life valuable. Self-determination of priorities and values is far greater than some dictate from on high. People often cling to bullshit like purpose or destiny because they are insecure and want to justify their current state. Deluding yourself into thinking that you're "meant" to be in a given situation absolves your responsibility and can convince you that it's just a stop-gap to your future grandeur.
It's not often that I hear such ponderous onanism from people of worth; it's probably a coincidence that those who go on about destiny rarely consider themselves destined to mop the broken jar of Ragu from aisle 9.
@HitmanAgent47: No. No one on earth was put here to do anything, anything anyone ever got was through either hard work or chance. Let me outline this for you.
You stated Kobe Bryant's father played basketball. Well, many people's parents train their children to do what they did. In fact, long ago, that's how businesses were passed down, from father to son. Hell, in India, they have a caste system to it. But let me tell you one thing, Kobe and Tiger got to be professional athletes because of years and years of training and dedication to their goal. If either of them didn't want it even in the slightest, neither of them would be in the position now.
You spoke about Donald Trump always meant to be rich, but when you're a greedy thief that kicks businesses in the hole for profit, it's easy to keep getting rich. Also he's went bankrupt himself at least one time, so I don't think he had divine providence to be rich. Sources: http://www.marketing-ideas.org/donald-trump-bankruptcy-the-truth-about-trump-and-his-failures-1001 and http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/donald-trump-filed-bankruptcy-times/story?id=13419250
When the cards are down, we're just animals that had enough food and enough room to grow and develop reasoning. Dogs are starting to show deductive reasoning from just being around us for so long, so we're not the only type of animal on this planet to have that particular ability. Source: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/06/03/AR2007060300960.html
But, if you can't accept that logic, I don't know what to tell you.
@HitmanAgent47 said:
@OppressiveStink: I am not disagreeing with you. There seems to be some sort of drive right? Whether it's greed, passed down business ect. That drive can be called a purpose, maybe we all can find some sort of purpose. I am just trying to supply the other side of the arguement, I don't believe we have a purpose in life, we can try to find a purpose. I will continue to talk for the other side of the discussion to keep the discussion going, but I don't think we have a real purpose to be here.
please stop
@HitmanAgent47: You could argue greed is the only thing driving all of those things. Greed for money, greed for power, greed for adoration. Everything living greeds. Trees greed for more sun and water, cows greed for more corn and grass, dogs greed for more kibble and attention, humans greed for more... well... everything.
That greed is what keeps everything from just petering out. Survival instinct, probably.
The "I'm not going to talk to you" approach is best served without @reply. That said, there's nothing extreme about my position at all. As others in the thread have, I took a stance against intrinsic purpose. Either you can have the discussion, or you cannot; so far, you are absolutely opposed to any genuine discussion. You have your position, and you refuse to listen long enough to understand anyone else's. Through hackneyed apologetic bullshit, you insist you're correct any everyone else is wrong because some twat can throw a ball in a hoop. You commit fallacy after fallacy and pathetically assert that anyone who doesn't think the way you do is a mindless drone with, as you so clumsily put it, a "rat race metality".
Oh, to some day shed this burdensome anchor of logic and intelligence that keeps me mired in reality; to rise up and be such a unique individual like Hitman; to have but a moment in the luxurious realm of delusional masturbation, where the air is crisp and denial reigns... to reach such heights would break our bonds of conformist paradigms and enlighten us all to live as... well... insipid wankers who watch too much daytime TV.
You beat me to this Valhalla, dear Hitman, and for that I'll be ever envious down here in the real world.
Sometimes ppl changes carrers a few times before they finally find their calling, their purpose in life. It's not about the next paycheck, but doing something that motivates you, that drives you. Take it for whatever meaning you want.
Some people try to live without one, and usually depend on some sort of entertainment, but when it all falls apart and you're alone it's great to be proud that you've accomplished or are working on what you really want to do. This isn't a great place to discuss this kind of thing though, cause a lot of people here are atheists or whatever. Most people associate purpose with religious or spiritual affiliation, but it can be self-set like how you wanna do it too.
But, yeah, just because you've always liked art, doesn't mean it has to come naturally to you and you don't have to practice. Some just have to work harder than others.
It's weird, my other family members, grandpa, dad, even sibling is great at drawing. Better than me at certain skills, but I never felt I had any of the talent. They did, it was easy to them, if you are a noob, hard work is just going to make you a trained noob. I wonder if the whole concept of purpose is bullshit or not. I sort of believe now that it is and agree with everyone here. I'm very conflicted over this concept.
dont feel bad about not turning into a professional artist. maybe its just fate and youre going to go on to doing something that would make you much more happier than you wouldve been as an artist? who knows, you might do something important for the art world. youre still young (im assuming) and you still have a lot of time to be the best person that you can be. dont worry about it, use it as motivation
@HitmanAgent47:
Donation is a greed for self-adoration or self-satisfaction or social standing, these things are important to humans too, being social animals. I'm not going to comment on Jesus because any proof of his existence and activities is a poorly amalgamated story of prior religious icons(IE: Horus) and anecdotal evidence. Ghandi did what he did for social standing and power and he took advantage of it too in terms of racism, religious proselytizing, and general perverted behavior (possibly a pedo): http://forum.stirpes.net/asia/24752-sex-antics-mohandas-gandhi-his-failures-pedophilia-adultery-incest-sexual-perversi.html (first post cites sources).
True apathy wouldn't allow you to live paycheck to paycheck. You'd sit around on someone else's dollar. Something made you get up and at least get that paycheck and it's most likely the innate sense of "want" every living creature has.
I believe there is no human smart enough to answer this question. Same with the question of the existence of god. No one is smart enough to know.
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