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#1 Posted by astrotriforce (1326 posts) -
#2 Posted by astrotriforce (1326 posts) -

Bear (hahahaha) with me on this one. I had trouble placing the answers to cover all bases, so just pick whichever sounds the most accurate for you. It's not all taken literally (i.e. I don't mean you REALLY are a PETA member, but that you support the extreme/protesting side of animal rights), etc.

#3 Posted by HitmanAgent47 (8576 posts) -

I could point blank shoot a dog in the face with a glock and not feel anything. I voted option D.

#4 Posted by TheSeductiveMoose (3625 posts) -

I don't feel comfortable picking any of those options.

#5 Posted by MysteriousBob (6272 posts) -

Where did you get these 'ratings' from? 
 
I support animal rights, but I'm not a terrorist-supporting lunatic PETA member either. C.

#6 Posted by wefwefasdf (6729 posts) -

I support hunting but I also think when animals are killed it should be as humanely as possible.

#7 Posted by Aronman789 (2671 posts) -
#8 Posted by TomA (2531 posts) -

Option C should have been called "Medium Rare Sympathy" HAHAHAHAHAHA!

#9 Posted by BulletproofMonk (2730 posts) -

C.

#10 Posted by Soapy86 (2619 posts) -

B. I guess. 
 
I'm not going to tell people they shouldn't hunt, but at the same time I'm not going to pretend to understand why people do it in this day and age.

#11 Posted by Skytylz (4039 posts) -

D. People treat animals with more sympathy than other people now a days.

#12 Posted by FreakAche (2955 posts) -

There aren't really enough options. I would probably fall between B and C. Sure, I like meat, but I think there are both ethical and unethical ways to handle and subsequently kill the animal.

#13 Posted by Ragdrazi (2283 posts) -

A. But fuck PeTA. Fuck them high and hard. Fuck them 'til their heads fall off.
 
Fuck PeTA.

#14 Posted by RVonE (4700 posts) -
@FreakAche said:
"There aren't really enough options. I would probably fall between B and C. Sure, I like meat, but I think there are both ethical and unethical ways to handle and subsequently kill the animal. "

Yes, that's my stance as well.
#15 Posted by KaosAngel (13764 posts) -

Fuck that, I fucking eat cows because they're delicious.

#16 Posted by BeachThunder (12417 posts) -

I like these threads, but honestly, if you're going to continue doing these (and making them interesting/insightful) then you really should start putting a bit more thought into the possible responses :( They always seem silly, inaccurate and/or non-representative of the variety of views people can hold. I chose B btw.

#17 Posted by Sin4profit (3003 posts) -

Option D should have been "I EAT MY PETS!"

#18 Posted by one_2nd (2333 posts) -

C. I hate how in the movies 1k people will get massacred, no one cares; then a dog dies and everyone's all like "awww..." 

#19 Posted by trophyhunter (5800 posts) -

Fun to pet better to chew

#20 Posted by zudthespud (3284 posts) -

B. Peta are idiots, animals are food, but killing animals shouldn't be sport. Cosmetic testing on animals is also ridiculous.

#21 Posted by TheGreatGuero (9130 posts) -
@HitmanAgent47 said:
"I could point blank shoot a dog in the face with a glock and not feel anything. I voted option D."
There goes his vote for Best GB User of 2010. 
It's all politics, man. You just lost the support of many.
#22 Posted by HitmanAgent47 (8576 posts) -
@TheGreatGuero: Having said that, I would kick a cat across the yard like it's a football and not feel anything.
#23 Posted by Diamond (8634 posts) -

Hunting keeps the deer population in Pennsylvania under control.  No matter what, you'd have to kill those deer some way.  That's the crazy think about empathy, you gotta be cruel to be kind.

#24 Posted by CaptainCody (1521 posts) -
@TheGreatGuero said:
" @HitmanAgent47 said:
"I could point blank shoot a dog in the face with a glock and not feel anything. I voted option D."
There goes his vote for Best GB User of 2010.  It's all politics, man. You just lost the support of many. "
#25 Posted by crusader8463 (14429 posts) -

I think PETA and just about every charity organization are corrupt idiots who I wouldn't give my spit to if they needed it, but I support what they claim to do in spirit

#26 Posted by Kill (298 posts) -

Not a fan of PETA. I am a vegetarian though. I mostly do it for health reasons but do have sympathies for animals. Wouldn't go back to eating meat.

#27 Edited by damnboyadvance (4061 posts) -

Killing animals just to kill them is wrong. Anything else, I really don't care about.
 
I also hate PETA. Everything they do is so damn stupid.

#28 Posted by PeasForFees (2411 posts) -

Animals should be killed as  humanely as viable, but animal charities should donate some of their money to children's charities.

#29 Posted by cnlmullen (895 posts) -

I'm a fan a Peter Singer; from a philosophical perspective I'm very pro animal rights. 
  
But I'm not a vegetarian, so when it comes to animal rights I'm kind of a hypocrite. 

#30 Edited by tobygw (580 posts) -

I actually thought that D showed more sympathy than C. 
 
 D was really the only one I agreed with, because I think that eating meat is completely normal and should be done. 
 
 However I can't agree with C, because I don't really support hunting unless the food will be eaten, since some people just do it for fun but don't use the animal for anything. And I do care how animals are killed because although I do want meat, I would not like it if the cows had their ears cut off first and then were forced to watch season 1 of hannah montana before they were packaged.  
 
And I don't agree with B because animals kill and eat animals so why shouldn't humans. If we aren't killing the animals because of their feelings, what they are probably actually feeling is how dumb we are for not killing them as they kill each other. 

#31 Posted by ClaritySam (613 posts) -

Yeah I can't really vote for any of these, I like pets but I definitely don't support hunting.  And I fucking hate animal rights activists, 95% of them are either pompous arseholes or dangerous militant sociopaths.  Also I like Bacon.

#32 Posted by astrotriforce (1326 posts) -
@tobygw said:
" I actually thought that D showed more sympathy than C.   D was really the only one I agreed with, because I think that eating meat is completely normal and should be done.   However I can't agree with C, because I don't really support hunting unless the food will be eaten, since some people just do it for fun but don't use the animal for anything. And I do care how animals are killed because although I do want meat, I would not like it if the cows had their ears cut off first and then were forced to watch season 1 of hannah montana before they were packaged.   And I don't agree with B because animals kill and eat animals so why shouldn't humans. If we aren't killing the animals because of their feelings, what they are probably actually feeling is how dumb we are for not killing them as they kill each other.  "
Yeah man see, it's too complicated to come up with answers that please everyone and/or cover all the bases.  
 
As for me, I think animals to be killed for food should be done humanely and I do think treating the animals with respect and dignity is the way to go. BUT, I don't freak out when I hear these companies that badly treat animals. It shouldn't happen and I think they should be forced to change, BUT who gives a flying fig really? I just can't help but to think how past generations would just laugh at how petty it is, when they'd just tip it over and slice it's throat without giving a second shot or kill it and it's babies and cook them. You know? I think we give them too much empathy. Having said that, all this from a person who feeds stray cats and took three of them in myself and raised the kittens in my room because I can't stand the sight of starving animals. But animals killed for food is different, they are GOING TO DIE anyway. But if you can treat them nicely before they meet their doom I think that's good.  
 
As far as hunting goes, I don't know that I could kill an animal myself honestly, and whenever I see hunting shows I whisper to myself "Nooo don't kill it!" but I have no problem with hunting or people that hunt. I think I generally set the line at torture, if you are harming the animal just because whether it's hunting or a processing plant and you could classify it as "cruel or unusual punishment" then I'm opposed to that. But animals are NOT people and thus I despise animal rights activists despite generally agreeing with what they stand for. Having said that, people come first and I do think we should be doing as much oil drilling and whatnot as possible whether it effects animals or not. People are more important. As long as they are kept from going extinct by it, then I'm all for it.
#33 Posted by astrotriforce (1326 posts) -
@BeachThunder said:
" I like these threads, but honestly, if you're going to continue doing these (and making them interesting/insightful) then you really should start putting a bit more thought into the possible responses :( They always seem silly, inaccurate and/or non-representative of the variety of views people can hold. I chose B btw. "
I put a lot of thought into it. Too much actually I finally just had to say f it and came up with the poll you see. The problem is if you get any more choices than I what I have it just becomes this convoluted mess. And I try to keep them simple. That's why, ultimately, you can use the "High", "Medium" "Low" sympathizers as a guide to help with where you fall in line. Rather than the text answers themselves.
#34 Posted by Hourai (2795 posts) -

As long as it's for food and the species isn't endangered, let 'em hunt. 

#35 Edited by Meowshi (2911 posts) -

I am very humanocentric.   
If you think that an animal's life is equal to or more important than a humans, then I think that you are a problem for society.   
If you get more upset when you hear about some horse dying, that a member of your own species, then I instantly dislike you. 
I like eating meat.  I don't care much about where it comes from, but obviously I'd rather have the animals killed in the most humane way possible.  I think unnecessary cruelty to living things should be discouraged.  I think Michael Vick is an asshole.  On the other hand, I think that PETA is an organization of steaming, seeping assholes.  I don't want to hear about how special animals are.   
 
They don't write poetry. 
They've never created art. 
They've never explored the galaxy. 
They don't have the emotional or intellectual capability of feeling the same amount of compassion for you, as you do for them. 
We are better.  We are more important.  Period.

#36 Edited by BaneFireLord (2957 posts) -

Damn it, accidentally voted D. 
This is actually a hard question. I think PETA are a bunch of d-bags and should jump off a cliff, but hunting for sport (not for food) and animal abuse isn't cool either.
B and a half.

#37 Posted by Diamond (8634 posts) -
@Meowshi said:
They don't write poetry. They've never created art. They've never explored the galaxy. They don't have the emotional or intellectual capability of feeling the same amount of compassion for you, as you do for them. We are better.  We are more important.  Period.
Can people also be measured the same way?  Certainly some people are more important than others.  Perhaps they shouldn't be treated as well either?
#38 Posted by Meowshi (2911 posts) -

Oh, and I'm fine with hunting and fishing.   
Yes, I do think there is a significant difference between someone hunting deer and someone killing their pet cat or dogfighting.  One is an accepted sport, and the others are early indications of psychopathy.    Oh, and bullfighting?  It's BULLSHIT.  I consider myself a good person, but I find it very hard to sympathize with people who get gored by bulls.  They stab them with swords and then act like big heroes.  That pisses me off just because of how cowardly it is. 
 
Like those assholes who used to shoot lions and then pose over their body like they accomplished some Herculean task.  Fuck you.  You did nothing.  You shot a cat.  Big deal.  If you had wrestled it to the ground and broke its fucking neck, then you can act like a tough guy and take pictures.  But you did NOTHING.  You shot an animal with a gun.  A child could do that.  You're a PUSSY. 
 
Keep in mind I don't have a problem with hunting.  Just with people acting like they are "warriors" because of it.  

#39 Posted by Meowshi (2911 posts) -
@Diamond said:
" @Meowshi said:
They don't write poetry. They've never created art. They've never explored the galaxy. They don't have the emotional or intellectual capability of feeling the same amount of compassion for you, as you do for them. We are better.  We are more important.  Period.
Can people also be measured the same way?  Certainly some people are more important than others.  Perhaps they shouldn't be treated as well either? "
No, such an attitude is incredibly bad for society, and in my opinion - that makes it wrong.  
#40 Posted by MyOldFriendUnderageDrinking (44 posts) -

Uh animals are cool, PETA is stupid, hunting is also stupid, steak tastes pretty good when it isn't pumped full of chemicals, and Animal the muppet is a great drummer.
#41 Edited by Diamond (8634 posts) -
@Meowshi said:

" @Diamond said:

" @Meowshi said:
They don't write poetry. They've never created art. They've never explored the galaxy. They don't have the emotional or intellectual capability of feeling the same amount of compassion for you, as you do for them. We are better.  We are more important.  Period.
Can people also be measured the same way?  Certainly some people are more important than others.  Perhaps they shouldn't be treated as well either? "
No, such an attitude is incredibly bad for society, and in my opinion - that makes it wrong.   "
Well I suppose even a small insect might ask you, had it significant intellect, have you ever assisted in the pollination of a plant?  If it weren't for insects we'd die off.  "Importance" is a sketchy concept.
 
In the most outside the box and nihilistic way, nothing on Earth is even the slightest bit 'important'.
#42 Posted by MyOldFriendUnderageDrinking (44 posts) -
@Diamond:
I never thought that a discussion over the slaughter of animals for our entertainment and consumption would be so depressing.
#43 Posted by LordXavierBritish (6320 posts) -

What have animals ever done for me?

#44 Posted by Meowshi (2911 posts) -

Yes, I'm not entirely sure how the conversation got steered here.

#45 Posted by Aus_azn (2224 posts) -

PETA is an evil, evil organisation. C.

#46 Posted by fearthephins (148 posts) -

B. I know people all have a different opinion on this matter and I don't want to shove my own in everyone's face. All I'm going to say is that it's not right to brutally kill animals. Yes, I understand they can be used as food but you don't have to kill them in such a malicious manner. Animals do feel and they are living beings...there's no need to cause them unnecessary pain.

#47 Posted by the_OFFICIAL_jAPanese_teaBAG (4284 posts) -

 ok i didnt pick anything cause i would say im in between B and C...  animals should be treated fairly but i honestly dont give a fuck if its cows or chicken cause i mean we got plenty of those.  JUST GET ME MY PROTEEINNNN.   and i dont really support hunting but im not against.  though i dont care about how animals are killed, i care about how they're raised so ya im a semi-hippy, whatever in the world that is....

#48 Posted by Scooper (7881 posts) -
@HitmanAgent47 said:
"

I could point blank shoot a dog in the face with a glock and not feel anything. I voted option D.

"
That's interesting because I could do the same to you. Although I'd be afraid of your ghost haunting me so I probably wouldn't do it.
 
Anyways, I love meat and I am prepared to have an animal kept alive and killed at a young age for me to eat but I do not want that animal to go through any more pain and discomfort than is needed. Just because they can't verbalise and rationalise their thoughts they can still feel fear and discomfort and pain. I don't support hunting that is purely for sport but of course if the animal is used for food than it is more justified. I think the people who kill sharks, dolphins or whales just for a tiny part of their meat is disgusting and unforgivable, same goes for torturing animals for pleasure like dog fighting or fox hunting.
#49 Posted by jakob187 (21759 posts) -

Here's what I think... 
 
The circle of life exists, and it has existed for thousands upon millions of years.  Trying to interfere with that is fucking stupid.  HOWEVER, there are practices that are absolutely cruel and unnecessary that fuel human greed and gluttony.  Should ortolan be prepared the way it is?  No.  It's fucking disgusting that a human would treat something, especially something as innocent as a bunting, that way.  Do foxes or other animals need to be skinned alive and deal with the pain and horror of that in order to have their fur turned into coats that sell for shitloads of money?  No, it's not a necessity - it's a stupid fucking luxury.  Does poaching need to happen for the ivory of an elephant's tusks?  NO! 
 
The idea of killing animals for luxury is fucking stupid, and in turn, THAT is what I fight for:  the rights of animals to not be harmed and maimed for the LUXURY of humans.
 
Meanwhile, there are people that bitch about cows being mistreated.  Look - cows are food and clothing, just the same as we are food to a lion or a tiger.  The way I figure it - if it is something that would be done for the needs of survival and/or protection, then it's not fucking cruelty.  It's the way of life.  They say "well, the blood doesn't need to be drained and this and that", but those people don't understand the reasonings for those things.  "Slitting a cow's throat to bleed it is fucking cruel".  You know what's even more cruel?  The idea that you people would rather that cow's meat cause an infectious disease that could become an epidemic and kill even MORE people and livestock.  *ugh* 
 
That's my stance.  Eat what you kill, wear what you kill, but only kill out of necessity - not luxury.

#50 Posted by gamefreak9 (2417 posts) -

I've dissected a few animals in my lifetime, some for fun, others in a classroom, their capacity for intellectual thought is inferior to AI, and i hardly believe feelings are a substitute. So no sympathy, thats not to say i don't like pets, i just don't think they deserve rights. Next thing you know some peta member is gonna want lions vote.