Fuck PETA

 
@damnboyadvance said:

        Humans have no rights. "

    Please elaborate, sir.

" @Amorfati: You are living in such an ignorant bubble. I gave you a reason for why people kill rabbits in environments they don't belong in and offered up the alternatives and why we don't use them. You came back with "We don't need to kill rabbits to survive or to protect crops", without offering any alternative. 
 
Why the should I offer alternatives? It's you who's promoting rabbit killing so the burden lies with you to prove that it's justified. All I have to do is show that your justifications are void, not offer alternatives. My purpose was never to offer the solution but to simply argue against the killing of the rabbits and you have failed to produce sound reasoning why we should kill them. The closest you have come is "because then we would have to pay more taxes" but as I have said: A. We might not have to pay higher taxes  (you would have to show that there are no alternatives to killing that wouldn't compromise tax payments) and B. How is keeping taxes low a justification for killing?
 
 
We wouldn't have places in that mess to begin with if we hadn't let them be to the point were it's become an "over-population" issue! Think about the bigger picture, not just about the bunny rabbits' feelings.I'd love to know what your alternative solutions are. Just let them continue to breed and ruin the ecosystem they've invaded? Spay and neuter them (but that might be cruel! We didn't ask for permission first. And who's going to shoulder the cost of doing that and keeping a tracking system going so they know which ones have been "fixed"!)? Higher a pied piper to play a song and mesmerize them into leaving town?  Your sarcastic replies only aided in showing the fact you really don't know anything about the issue. What next? Will your next rebuttal be "Oh noes the forum poster is telling me I'm ignorant! I'm so scared!" " 
 
All of this is irrelevant.

" @FrankCanada97 said:

" @Amorfati said:

@FrankCanada97 said:

Would you prefer the bunnies to be dignified with a funeral and buried in a cemetery? You do not speak for all humans in saying "Utility is not our highest priority". History has shown that utility is indeed most people's highest priority, this is how our we as a species and civilization has managed to avoid extinction. "

If utility is our highest priority then why do we not burn our dead? "

Because we respect the wishes of family members. Until animals are capable of communicating their wishes to us, we can't just assume what is in their best interests for them. "

They communicate by screaming when we slit their throats. "

" @FrankCanada97 said:

" @Amorfati said:

@FrankCanada97 said:

Would you prefer the bunnies to be dignified with a funeral and buried in a cemetery? You do not speak for all humans in saying "Utility is not our highest priority". History has shown that utility is indeed most people's highest priority, this is how our we as a species and civilization has managed to avoid extinction. "

If utility is our highest priority then why do we not burn our dead? "

Because we respect the wishes of family members. Until animals are capable of communicating their wishes to us, we can't just assume what is in their best interests for them. "

They communicate by screaming when we slit their throats. "

" @Amorfati said:

@FrankCanada97 said:

Would you prefer the bunnies to be dignified with a funeral and buried in a cemetery? You do not speak for all humans in saying "Utility is not our highest priority". History has shown that utility is indeed most people's highest priority, this is how our we as a species and civilization has managed to avoid extinction. "

If utility is our highest priority then why do we not burn our dead? "

Because we respect the wishes of family members.

Fuck Peta

" @Icil said:

" @FrankCanada97 said:

" @Amorfati said:

@FrankCanada97 said:

Would you prefer the bunnies to be dignified with a funeral and buried in a cemetery? You do not speak for all humans in saying "Utility is not our highest priority". History has shown that utility is indeed most people's highest priority, this is how our we as a species and civilization has managed to avoid extinction. "

If utility is our highest priority then why do we not burn our dead? "

Because we respect the wishes of family members. Until animals are capable of communicating their wishes to us, we can't just assume what is in their best interests for them. "

They communicate by screaming when we slit their throats. "

 See what I mean, FrankCanada97? Collective utility is not an effective argument against animal rights. Individualistic humanism is. "

" @Suicrat said:

" @Icil said:

" @FrankCanada97 said:

" @Amorfati said:

@FrankCanada97 said:

Would you prefer the bunnies to be dignified with a funeral and buried in a cemetery? You do not speak for all humans in saying "Utility is not our highest priority". History has shown that utility is indeed most people's highest priority, this is how our we as a species and civilization has managed to avoid extinction. "

If utility is our highest priority then why do we not burn our dead? "

Because we respect the wishes of family members. Until animals are capable of communicating their wishes to us, we can't just assume what is in their best interests for them. "

They communicate by screaming when we slit their throats. "

 See what I mean, FrankCanada97? Collective utility is not an effective argument against animal rights. Individualistic humanism is. "

Okay, how about everyone just mind their own business and let everyone do what they feel is right. "

" @ninjakiller: Man, I LOVE KitKats. "

" @Icil said:

" @FrankCanada97 said:

" @Amorfati said:

@FrankCanada97 said:

Would you prefer the bunnies to be dignified with a funeral and buried in a cemetery? You do not speak for all humans in saying "Utility is not our highest priority". History has shown that utility is indeed most people's highest priority, this is how our we as a species and civilization has managed to avoid extinction. "

If utility is our highest priority then why do we not burn our dead? "

Because we respect the wishes of family members. Until animals are capable of communicating their wishes to us, we can't just assume what is in their best interests for them. "

They communicate by screaming when we slit their throats. "

They do that when a wolf claws at them and rips them apart as well. It always happens at death. You know what I mean, they cannot communicate with us at an intellectual level because they are not sapient and thus are incapable of letting their views be known to us. I'll say it again, until animals are sapient, we cannot assume what is best for animals for them. "

PETA is just another group of self-righteous wannabe tyrants. Ever notice how so many cults and extremists make special demands on their members diets? Judaism, Islam and several other religions have special restrictions on food consumption and Charles Manson, Adolph Hitler, and Pol Pot are just a few examples of famous vegetarian crazies. Eating is fundamental to survival and is a basic human instinct, so a person who restricts diet because of 'moral' nonsense is invariably emotionally disturbed and irrational. Furthermore they are out of touch with the vague but sacred 'Nature' they worship, as anyone can see that carnivores and omnivores are a natural occurrence in any ecosystem. Apparently these moralist vegans love furry predators who run down and rip apart their prey with fangs and claws but they expect humans to never harm a fly, a classic example of the logical inconsistency which is so prevalent in western society.  
   
This hypocrisy is also evident in moralist vegans repeated use of violent intimidation, or 'direct action' as they like to phrase it, to impose their cult ideology on more rational society. Arson, vandalism, and threats are the modus operandi of the vegan vanguard and instead of pacifying this violent minority western governments have decided to add a vegan selection to prison menus. For some reason I can't discern the government of the United States and those of various EU countries are unwilling to protect the rights of peaceful citizens from the little tyrants that comprise the moralist vegan movement. Rights as basic as what we can eat and what we can wear are at stake here. Essential institutions for public welfare such as biomedical and agricultural research facilities are being threatened by unskilled, destructive, and altogether useless fanatics. 
 
If anyone is interested in taking grassroots action against organization like PETA I'd be eager to help. I live just an hours drive from DC, which is obviously a very politically active area, and I would be glad to meet other people who want to protect human rights from so-called 'animal rights' organizations.

" They are God given rights."

" @damnboyadvance said:

" They are God given rights."

Not exactly a good argument. "

" @wordsgohere said:

" @damnboyadvance said:

" They are God given rights."

Not exactly a good argument. "

I recognize that, however your response is not a worthy one. "

" @damnboyadvance said:

" @wordsgohere said:

" @damnboyadvance said:

" They are God given rights."

Not exactly a good argument. "

I recognize that, however your response is not a worthy one. "

That's because I'm observing, not partaking. "

Burning bunnies for fuel is pretty fucked up, sure.
But, for the most part, animals are here for me to eat. That's what they're for, right? Didn't our ancestors use them for food and their hides for clothing and all that rot? Yes.
 
I'm the most bleeding heart animal lover you'll ever meet, but there's a line.
The latest "anti-fishing" craze has me completely baffled. I mean, fish?? FISH ARE SO TASTY.
And what other purpose do they serve other than being dipped in tartar sauce? (Or Ketchup, if you're me.) My boyfriend's old college room-mate did one of those silent demonstrations, too. Dressed up like a fish, painted himself all sparkly blue. More power to them; free speech & all. But... I'm pretty sure if I wafted a big fat plate of fish sticks in his face, he'd be down for dunkin.
 
I'm just sayin.

peta is insane, but then again so is factory farming.

You leave for a few hours and all of a sudden people are claiming rights are granted by God and that factory farming is insane. Rights aren't granted by anyone, and factory farming is cost-effective. Rights are enforced by the holder of them (and governments exist to protect them, except when they are the worst offenders, at which point it's time for a peaceful overthrow of the government), and factory farming exists because there are billions of mouths to be fed and only so much land from which to feed them.

they are using scare tactics, much in the same way as the government does.. If you really want to help get rid of them, just ignore them and go on with your life.