How-To Question: Studying Abroad

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#1  Edited By Vinchenzo

I'd really like to study abroad in Japan but I'm not sure where to begin. I am fairly certain I have to apply to a school that has the appropriate programs, but I'd also like to stay in Japan for the duration of college. So not just one semester, but I wish to find a place to stay for a couple years in Japan. I realize I have a few options such as staying with a family, in a dorm, or in an apartment. The dorm probably being my primary choice.

Does anyone have experience on this type of thing? I'd really appreciate information, whatever it may be. How does it work? Where do I begin? (As I asked earlier.) What steps do I then follow?

Just in case you need the following specifics...

  • I live in Illinois.
  • 19 years old.
  • College experience consists of only one "quarter" at Illinois Institute of Art. I am going to be attending a community college this summer until I can figure this all out.

Thank you!
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#2  Edited By auspiciousqueue

You might want to try ISEP


Other than that, ask your community college about international opportunities or just look for a University in the location you want and apply.
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#3  Edited By toowalrus

Woot, community college! High five for living in your parents basement, eating pizza rolls and playing Xbox.

I spent one night in the Tokyo airport, without ever seeing the light of day. But even in the airport/hotel, things are fucking weird over there. Make sure you know what you're getting yourself into...

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#4  Edited By Vinchenzo
TooWalrus said:
"Woot, community college! High five for living in your parents basement, eating pizza rolls and playing Xbox.I spent one night in the Tokyo airport, without ever seeing the light of day. But even in the airport/hotel, things are fucking weird over there. Make sure you know what you're getting yourself into..."
It's the only place to get all the sweet Asian chicks. I also love the culture, and am pretty weird myself. I know what I am getting into!
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#5  Edited By auspiciousqueue
Vinchenzo said:
"TooWalrus said:
"Woot, community college! High five for living in your parents basement, eating pizza rolls and playing Xbox.I spent one night in the Tokyo airport, without ever seeing the light of day. But even in the airport/hotel, things are fucking weird over there. Make sure you know what you're getting yourself into..."
It's the only place to get all the sweet Asian chicks. I also love the culture, and am pretty weird myself. I know what I am getting into!"
I think you really need to talk to KaosAngel.
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#6  Edited By Vinchenzo
auspiciousqueue said:
"Vinchenzo said:
"TooWalrus said:
"Woot, community college! High five for living in your parents basement, eating pizza rolls and playing Xbox.I spent one night in the Tokyo airport, without ever seeing the light of day. But even in the airport/hotel, things are fucking weird over there. Make sure you know what you're getting yourself into..."
It's the only place to get all the sweet Asian chicks. I also love the culture, and am pretty weird myself. I know what I am getting into!"
I think you really need to talk to KaosAngel.
"
Oh we've talked. He taught me how to touch on the shoulder.

Edit: Realized how that sounded, but will keep it as first typed.
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#7  Edited By toowalrus
Vinchenzo said:
 It's the only place to get all the sweet Asian chicks. I also love the culture, and am pretty weird myself. I know what I am getting into!"
Ha, alright, I'm hoping to spend a few weeks over there summer-after-next. Already started saving cash. I've spent a few months in Hawaii when I was 13. Even then, you realize that there are a lot of Asians living there for business... Asians with teenage daughters. If the Japan thing doesn't work out, buy a flowery shirt, some aviator shades, and spend some time over there. Tell the chicks you're scouting the island looking for a good place to start a business...

You're a helicopter pilot, hoping to spend the inheritance money you got from your late grandfather starting a Helicopter Touring business... I better stop before you take my ideas.
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#8  Edited By Shadow

Why though?  If you don't have a specific college you want to go to, what's the point of doing that and paying all the extra fees that come with being an exchange student?

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#9  Edited By toowalrus
Shadow said:
"Why though?  If you don't have a specific college you want to go to, what's the point of doing that and paying all the extra fees that come with being an exchange student?"
Vinchenzo said:
"It's the only place to get all the sweet Asian chicks."

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#10  Edited By Vinchenzo
Shadow said:
"Why though?  If you don't have a specific college you want to go to, what's the point of doing that and paying all the extra fees that come with being an exchange student?"
When I said specific college, I meant where I would enroll in US to then take the study abroad program. I've also read that it's actually sometimes cheaper to study abroad, except for the fact I'll have to pay for room & board.
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#11  Edited By Pepsiman

Alrighty, deep breath, because this might be quite a bit of information I'll be putting in here.


Studying abroad over in Japan for the entirety of your post-secondary academic career is an interesting prospect in and of itself. While definitely a far more viable possibility for native English speakers nowadays compared to a few decades, you're right in noticing that it's not necessarily a straightforward process. That's the nature of study abroad in and of itself, what with the chance to pursue overseas education however you want to, but it's even more so since you want to spend a prolonged period over there instead of a typical semester or year-long setup. That said, it's definitely very worthwhile to do. I think it goes without saying that any extended period of time abroad really opens up your horizons and understanding of the world, so I applaud your effort.

But enough fluff from the introduction. Let's get down to the nitty gritty.

Assuming I'm right in presuming that you're a native English speaker with little to no education in the Japanese language, the first thing you want to do is specifically search for schools within Japan that both have a large international student population and are well-regarded universities in general. While conventional Japanese universities can at times offer some courses in English, the reality is that if you're wanting to pick up a solid post-secondary education, places like Tokyo University aren't going to be your best bet simply because of sheer language barrier issues. Naturally, you'll be pursuing language skills anyway, but it's one thing to be able to do it in a classroom and then apply it in just daily life, yet quite another to learn it in a classroom at the same time you're having other courses taught in that very language. It gets to be complex too quickly for those who are unprepared. Japanese is a great language to know, but taking in too much all at once also won't work to your benefit. Thus, the reason why I recommend checking out schools with a large international student populace is because those schools will more likely than not have their courses taught predominantly in English. As long as you verify beforehand that they're both accredited and carry a good academic recommendation, it shouldn't matter that you weren't taught in Japanese.

Three schools I thusly recommend checking out are Akita International Univeristy, Sophia University, and Temple University. Akita International University is located in a mountain area with a population of around 100,000. It may not be as busy as Tokyo, but I personally recommend the area if you want to get to know a side of Japan you won't necessarily find in the popular media. Sophia University and Temple University are both located in Tokyo. Out of all three schools that I've suggested Sophia University would probably be the one that looks best on your transcript if you're concerned about that. While only their liberal arts department is English, I don't think the quality of the school itself can be overstated, as it's one of the top private schools in the country. (It should be noted that it is a Jesuit Catholic school, just so that information is out there.) Perhaps part of this praise comes from the fact that I'll actually be attending this school for the summer in preparation for another study abroad gig over in Japan, but it's still a school that definitely shouldn't be overlooked either way. As for Temple University, it's actually the only school within Japan where you can actually still get a US degree, thanks to its unique legal position and affiliation with the main university of the same name in the States. The degree types seem to be modest, but if you didn't want any potential hassle with employers seeing an international degree on the resume, then you may want to consider that school. (I doubt that it's seriously a problem with Japanese degrees, though.)

Okay. One point down. Onto the next one.

Finances. You should do some extremely serious budgeting before you head over there and I have several reasons for this. First, the cost of living in Japan can be more expensive than it is in the States. If you're careful and look around for good deals on most everything, you should do okay, but when considering that the current global economy can make exchange rates with the dollar fluctuate for better or for worse, a lot of caution needs to be exercised. Secondly, financial aid can become a tricky matter for students from abroad. I bring this up because realistically speaking, you probably won't be able to enroll in a US school and go to Japan for all four years and expect to have graduation go smoothly credits-wise. Its possible, but I would think most schools by now have policies in place which force you to do at least one semester on their actual campus, if not more. Otherwise, they can't probably consider you to be one of their students legally. If you want to do all four years in Japan, you're probably just going to need to apply to one of their schools directly instead of by proxy via a study abroad program. (Hence the reason that you don't see me suggesting US schools besides Temple University.) Tying all this back into financial aid, there are going to be more hurdles for you if you need any such assistance since, as with the US, those budgets are naturally designed with native citizens in mind first and foremost. There's still aid that you can seek out, but do some serious research on how you'll pay for it all, because it will majorly haunt you if you don't do so.

On a similar note, also look into visas. For your purposes, you're absolutely going to need to look into getting something other than a tourist visa for the duration of your stay over there. (The default one for visitors is only 90 days. It's definitely not enough.) That said, be careful with which sort of visa that you decide on, as it can have serious legal implications on what you can and can't do while you're living there. A regular student visa, for example, won't allow you to even get a part-time job legally, which may be necessary to support yourself. Do some extremely major research on this so you go into Japan at the legal capacity you need to be at. That said, you'll also need to look into how to renew whichever visa you get, as I believe it's a yearly thing for those without residency. You'll additionally need to make sure your passport doesn't expire during the time you believe you'll be staying there, if you don't have one already.

A few more things and then I think I'm done for now.

For living arrangements, I'd seriously consider living with a family if I were you. Dorms don't have the most opportunities in the way of socialization and fluency potential whereas living with a family lets you put your Japanese to  very good use at any level. It may sound daunting, but Japanese people tend to be very accomodating of those who aren't especially fluent in their language. (It's not even necessarily surprising that they'll be flattered when you use even the simplest grammar points with them, either.) The great thing about living with a family is that you're forced to make things work in order to get along with everyone else, so things will probably turn out fine if you choose to go that route. I should say, however, that it's not wise to try using English; the educational system over there tends to not do an especially stellar job in that respect. You're likely to encounter more Engrish than what would be practical for your living situation.

There's a lot more that I could discuss, but I guess the last thing I'll discuss is (ironically) how you should start it all. Really, applying for schooling over in Japan is much like it is in the States; researching the schools, figuring out their admissions requirements, and then taking it from there. As I've already implicitly mentioned earlier, you should also start budgeting for it right now. Until you're over there yourself, it's wise to save up more than enough money you need so that you can live with at least a bit of breathing room until you figure things out. Also, if you can, it doesn't hurt to take a Japanese course of some sort, even at a community college. Any knowledge of the language before you go is better than none, really. I personally endorse classes over most any other method simply because good teachers can accomodate your learning style a lot better than printed text or software. If you can't do that, then I won't stop you from trying Rosetta Stone, although that's not the path I would recommend if you have any options beyond that.

If you have any further questions, you're free to PM me about it, since I've been in the trenches before and can speak the language. Best of luck to you, man!
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^He forgot to mention that watermelons are $85 dollars, so don't forget to take that into consideration.

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#13  Edited By Vinchenzo

Wow Pepsiman, some great information. Will definitely contact you. I'm having my Dad talk to my godmother who is a guidance counselor at a school, so she might be of help. The only reason I was thinking against living with a family is because I thought it'd be better to be in a more social environment. According to you, living with a family is more of that. I just figured with a dorm I'd always be around other folks. I'm also very lasy and dependant, so this might be a good time to become more independent. As for Japanese at community college, I don't believe the one I'm going to has any of those courses. Which is a shame, but I'll have a look-around.

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#14  Edited By Diamond
Pepsiman said:
huge good post
I appreciate the effort in your informative post.  I have a friend who's planning to study abroad in Japan for just a semester next year.  We've both been interested and studied Japanese for a while.  I don't plan on filling out my Japanese knowledge or studying abroad like he is, but I'm interested in the concept.
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#15  Edited By Pepsiman

Vinchenzo, if you had more language experience and were attending an exclusively Japanese-speaking school, then yeah, dorms wouldn't necessarily be a problem. But if you're planning on attending a school which predominantly teaches in English, chances are that the dorms are going to host more foreigners (particularly Americans) than Japanese, thanks to (yet another) complex issue involving housing for foreigners. Not necessarily bad if that means bumping into students from countries other than the US, but it may not be the most productive way to boost your Japanese fluency, either. Do whatever works for you, but I personally endorse living with a family since they provide you a more direct connection to the language and culture than anything else. Families tend to be a great resource to pick up on specific linguistic nuances that would be more rarely found in other settings, for example.


And if you don't manage to get into a language course before heading over there, you should be fine in the end. Most any school you would end up attending would probably get you up to speed on the language just fine with their own courses. I just bring it up simply because you can make a really good impression on the people if you come into the country with even a basic understanding of the grammar and vocabulary. There's something to be said for being able to say, for example, 「明日の天気は、東京に、曇り時々雨でしょう」versus staring blankly while being unable to even introduce yourself simply. It makes you less touristy the more you know, essentially.
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#16  Edited By toowalrus

For what you're going to be doing over there, I'd learn how to ask "Is your sister over 18" first and foremost.

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#17  Edited By Pepsiman
TooWalrus said:
"I'd learn how to ask "Is your sister over 18" first and foremost."
For the record....

お姉さんは18歳以上ですか。(Oneesan wa jyuu-hassai ijou desu ka?)

Edit: On second thought, the question would more likely than not be, 妹さんは18歳以上ですか。(Imoutosan wa jyuu-hassai ijou desu ka?) Just wanted to provide that way more plausible alternative before other speakers corrected me. They're both grammatically correct, but when considering what's being asked....
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#18  Edited By AgentJ

You seem to know japanese pretty well already, but if you ever need to bone up on it, i really recommend the My Japanese Coach software for the DS. Worked wonders for me before I went on my 10 day tour of Japan.

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#19  Edited By Diamond
AgentJ said:
"You seem to know japanese pretty well already, but if you ever need to bone up on it, i really recommend the My Japanese Coach software for the DS. Worked wonders for me before I went on my 10 day tour of Japan."
I tried it out and while I thought it was cool, but the program makes it impossible to skip levels after a point.  You can ace the test it gives you when you first play it, but it only skips you like 20 levels or so.
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#20  Edited By Vinchenzo
AgentJ said:
"You seem to know japanese pretty well already, but if you ever need to bone up on it, i really recommend the My Japanese Coach software for the DS. Worked wonders for me before I went on my 10 day tour of Japan."
First of all, I'm the one that made the thread. Not Pepsiman. Under that correction, I know no Japanese.
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#21  Edited By BiggerBomb

"I am fairly certain I have to apply to a school that has the appropriate programs"

That's the ticket. My mom spent a year of college in France. Boston College has that type of study abroad program.